Trump grilled over shutdown, border wall

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THG

Friday, January 11, 2019 2:31 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by second:
Today the comedian in the White House claimed he never said Mexico would, you know, pay for the Wall with money or something.

"I've don't think I've ever seen unity like this in the Republican party... we have tremendous unity... it's really a beautiful thing to see..."

I can't wait to hear what he says when people closer to him start getting locked up. "Don Junior who? Iva what?"

You know G, if the trolls here would admit that everything Trumps says is a lie, they don't care they want the wall, at least that would be an honest discussion.

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 11, 2019 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You guys crack me up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Today the comedian in the White House claimed he never said Mexico would, you know, pay for the Wall with money or something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Not interested in watching the video. Send me a transcript if you have it.

That being said, if you read his campaign page about the wall before the election he actually never did say that Mexico would pay for it with money directly. It wasn't as if the Mexican President was going to hand Trump an oversized Publisher Clearing House style check to Trump with "For the Wall" in the Memo line.

It was going to be paid with additional fees and fines associated with legal and illegal immigration into our country, levied against Mexico and future immigrants, that was going to pay for it.

I'll see if the WaybackMachine has the page somewhere to post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 11, 2019 3:32 AM

Disturbing...

A search on archive.org for donaldjtrump.com results in no hits and it says the following:

"The search engine encountered the following error: invalid or no response from Elasticsearch"

I'll try again later.

I can't seem to find any backups of the campaign website anywhere on either google or dogpile with the queries I've used. If anybody could find one and send a link, it would be appreciated.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, January 11, 2019 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Disturbing...

A search on archive.org for donaldjtrump.com results in no hits and it says the following:

"The search engine encountered the following error: invalid or no response from Elasticsearch"

I'll try again later.

I can't seem to find any backups of the campaign website anywhere on either google or dogpile with the queries I've used. If anybody could find one and send a link, it would be appreciated.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This one works for me, right now: https://web.archive.org/web/20160901030623/https://www.donaldjtrump.co
m/positions/pay-for-the-wall

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, January 11, 2019 4:33 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You guys crack me up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Today the comedian in the White House claimed he never said Mexico would, you know, pay for the Wall with money or something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Not interested in watching the video. Send me a transcript if you have it.

That being said, if you read his campaign page about the wall before the election he actually never did say that Mexico would pay for it with money directly. It wasn't as if the Mexican President was going to hand Trump an oversized Publisher Clearing House style check to Trump with "For the Wall" in the Memo line.

It was going to be paid with additional fees and fines associated with legal and illegal immigration into our country, levied against Mexico and future immigrants, that was going to pay for it.

I'll see if the WaybackMachine has the page somewhere to post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

To quote www.donaldjtrump.com : "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion"

https://web.archive.org/web/20160901030623/https://www.donaldjtrump.co
m/positions/pay-for-the-wall

I realize that Trump's barking mad mouth will deny what Trump's website said, but so what? His mouth is always making noises faster than Trump can control it. That mouth is like a rambunctious dog that needs to go to obedience school to learn the command "HEEL!".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 11, 2019 4:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You guys crack me up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Today the comedian in the White House claimed he never said Mexico would, you know, pay for the Wall with money or something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Not interested in watching the video. Send me a transcript if you have it.

That being said, if you read his campaign page about the wall before the election he actually never did say that Mexico would pay for it with money directly. It wasn't as if the Mexican President was going to hand Trump an oversized Publisher Clearing House style check to Trump with "For the Wall" in the Memo line.

It was going to be paid with additional fees and fines associated with legal and illegal immigration into our country, levied against Mexico and future immigrants, that was going to pay for it.

I'll see if the WaybackMachine has the page somewhere to post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
To quote www.donaldjtrump.com : "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion"

https://web.archive.org/web/20160901030623/https://www.donaldjtrump.co
m/positions/pay-for-the-wall

I realize that Trump's barking mad mouth will deny what Trump's website said, but so what? His mouth is always making noises faster than Trump can control it. That mouth is like a rambunctious dog that needs to go to obedience school to learn the command "HEEL!".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You're oversimplifying what that page says.

However, I will admit that it was unfortunate how it was worded at the top.

"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion" is a prime example of how dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator can come back to bite you in the ass.

The rest of the page doesn't even back that statement up and has the real information about how the money would be obtained.

Thanks for the link. I don't know why I wasn't able to bring up the page on archive.org earlier.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Friday, January 11, 2019 5:02 AM

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Back it up with statistics. Bet ya can't.

You didn't even read my post.

SECOND

Friday, January 11, 2019 6:04 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're oversimplifying what that page says.

However, I will admit that it was unfortunate how it was worded at the top.

No kidding that I oversimplified, but the first thing is that whoever wrote the plan for Trump misunderstood how those laws actually work. The campaign’s remittance proposal cited the wrong statute, and remittance payments go back to Mexican residents, not the government. But at least there was some sort of a plan, even if Trump now wants to pretend it was something else.
www.vox.com/2018/12/20/18149433/trump-mexico-pay-for-border-wall

As for Trump's mouth, it understands very little, and it can't stop running around in circles and barking like crazy.

Let’s look back at Trump’s actual plan for making Mexico pay for the wall:
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/10/18177058/trump-mexico-wall-p
ay-shutdown-mcallen

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 11, 2019 9:00 AM

Please. Cite somebody other than vox or Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, January 11, 2019 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Please. Cite somebody other than vox or Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

www.steptoeinternationalcomplianceblog.com/2016/04/trumps-mexico-remit
tance-proposal-goes-inexplicably-awry/

Trump’s Mexico Remittance Proposal Goes Inexplicably Awry
By Stephen Heifetz and Kaitlin Cassel on April 5, 2016

Stephen Heifetz and Kaitlin Cassel at the Steptoe International Compliance Blog wrote at the time that Trump was mangling the legislation:

"He says the executive branch issued “detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121.” But there are no regulations at 31 CFR § 130.120-121. When the Treasury Department initially issued customer identification regulations for banks, they were found at 31 CFR § 103.121. (That number after the letters is 103, not 130). Forgiving the transposition of numbers in Trump’s memo, those regulations were re-issued over five years ago with completely different numbering, so that the current regulation to which Trump presumably meant to cite is 31 CFR § 1020.220.

Is this just a set of typos we should overlook? Nope — it evinces a lack of familiarity with the relevant legal terrain that becomes obvious in the next paragraph of Trump’s memo."

They go on to argue in some detail that using this regulatory mechanism would likely impede a lot of legitimate commerce while doing little to reduce remittances. Trump, it turns out, was not really as versed in the policy weeds of this as he portrayed himself to be.

What’s more, Trump’s whole discussion of the issue was really based on an apples-and-oranges comparison. Money transferred by Mexican-born residents of the United States back to residents of Mexico is not a budgetary cost to the US federal government, nor is it a budgetary resource that the Mexican government can tap.

Trump’s confusion on this point was maybe an ominous sign, because as soon as he won the election, the plan started to change.

According to the fake news, you see, Trump was asking Congress for money because Mexico wasn’t paying for the wall. The truth, according to Trump, was that Congress was really just going to advance him some money and Mexico would pay America back later:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!
3:19 AM - 6 Jan 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817329823374831617

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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