Rigged voting .... been going on for a long time, and still happening
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I've lived long enough to have heard about at least one rigged election (JFK and the Chicago Machine vs Nixon) and to have witnessed two three more.
2000 Election
With FL State Secretary Katherine Harris busy scrubbing approximately 57,000 likely Democratic voters off the voter rolls, http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/ the power of being able to control the voter rolls became evident. However, much worse was to come. In an extremely close race (thanks in part to Harris) the Supreme Court stopped a vote recount, and gave the election to GWB. An entire state recount the following year by a consortium of newspapers which was determined to figure out who REALLY won Florida found that the "hanging chad" controversy would not have changed the results by much- but that recounting ELECTRONIC votes in Republican-leaning districts would have actually swung the vote to Gore.
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volusia_error
The error cropped up in Volusia's 216th precinct of only 585 registered voters. A Global Election Systems (acquired by Diebold Election Systems now Premier Election Solutions) voting machine showed that 412 of those registered voters had voted. The problem was that the machine also claimed those 412 voters had somehow given Bush 2,813 votes and in addition had given Gore a negative vote count of -16,022 votes
The clusterfuck that was the FL vote got a group of activists involved who looked deeply into- among other things - electronic voting. They discovered that electronic voting was extremely hackable. The way electronic vote COUNTING works is that a computer "card" is inserted into a vote-counting machine. As ballots are fed into the machine the votes are recorded on the chips on the card.
At its most primitive level, the final tally can simply be overwritten by a person editing an unsecured system. Another option is to "pre-load" the vote counting card with a certain number of votes for the selected candidate. A third way to change the vote count is to insert a subroutine into the vote-counting program which throws ... let;s say, one out of every ten votes to the preferred candidate. And there is always the possibility of having touch-screen voting being "mis-indexed" to improperly record the position of the touched point.
None of this requires being connected to "the internet".
You can find out more about this at Black Box Voting http://blackboxvoting.org/
2004 Election
In 2004, there was an even more widespread discrepancy between exit polls and and vote tallies. Exit polls had Kerry ahead 53% to 47%; official vote tallies more than reversed the result.
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Bush Jr. also did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touchscreen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush....
Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush’s advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as 9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.
In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to 26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.
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Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.
"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956
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There are expense reports and a proposal for a three-person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.
HOLY CRAP!!! WHAT A BLOWOUT REVELATION !!! not.
And btw - AS USUAL - the 'news' article consisted of a lot of claims by US officialdom, and zero evidence.
But I have to say, there's one thing about you THUGGR that NEVER changes - you are the most gullible lackey I have ever known.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Quote:Yanno THUGR, it's pathetic, it really is.
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
You're just like one of those reichwing conservatives on global warming. There you are, bravely standing against Wikipedia, widespread media reports, investigations, university statisticians, computer programmers. live demonstrations of hacking techniques .... I guess NOBODY can discern "fact" from "fiction" quite like you can! And thank god for that!
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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more of it
Voting Fraud?
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Gotta love the tinfoil.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.
"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956
Could you identify where you first posted it?
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Quote:I read the article and it shows no such thing as it claims.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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in fact, the entirety of the details it gives consists of:
There are expense reports but it leaves unaddressed what those expenses were - for all it says, it could be coffee and donuts and a proposal for a three-person operation my god, a PROPOSAL for a whole three person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
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Any difference this year?
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Quote:Not so far as I know.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?
I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.
It's up to each State Secretary to determine voter rolls and how the vote is taken and counted. So the State Secretary of each state can presumably throw the vote in whatever direction they choose.
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Quote:No different this year.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Not so far as I know.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?
I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.
It's up to each State Secretary to determine voter rolls and how the vote is taken and counted. So the State Secretary of each state can presumably throw the vote in whatever direction they choose.
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Quote:In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Not so far as I know.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?
I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.
www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
In the 2016 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Congressmen did while investigating Benghazi and Email and Clinton? I'm still waiting for FBI Director (and Republican) Christopher A. Wray to pick up the case that FBI Director (and Republican) James Comey started, but never finished. Attorney General (and Republican) Matthew Whitaker said, before Trump appointed him in a tweet, that he would prosecute Hillary. I look forward to that happening. Obviously, no swing voters were influenced by all these Republican politicians and their chant Lock her up! Lock her up! It must be the Democrats' fault that they could not stop Republicans from making false accusations about felonies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?
What do you mean, "correct for"? There's no way to undo results so far in the past, the only thing to do is to make sure it doesn't happen again.
As I've posted before, the problem with the FL vote wasn't "hanging chads", it was with electronic voting. That was where an electronic voting machine registered something like -17,000 votes for Gore.
Electronic voting (specifically touch screen) also produced votes that were widely at variance with exit polls in 2004. http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html
But you forgot what the FL Scy State - Katherine Harris - did for Bush too. She assiduously scrubbed the voter rolls of any category of people that might possible lean Democratic.
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So, what to do?
Well, we would have to start with gerrymandering. Congress needs to pass a law, something like the Voting Rights Act, but one which applies to ALL states and which specifically addresses gerrymandering and voter registration fraud and voter roll tampering. Personally, I think these are technical issues which are easily solved with sound statistical sampling methods.
Also, I see nothing wrong with requiring picture ID in order to vote, as long as the requirement is put in place far enough in advance to allow the Secretaries of State and interested political parties the oppty to comb through their rolls and make sure that everyone has the required ID.
And personally, I believe the most secure vote is hand-written and hand-counted ballots. However, if people think that is too expensive, you need a system that uses paper ballots and which maintains an audit of each vote tally, so that the vote tallies can be audited against hand-counted tallies. None of this touch-screen bullshit. Also, Secretaries of State should be required to maintain the actual ballots for at least a year after the vote; there were too many instances in the FL vote of county or local officials tossing the paper rolls of tallies and ballots before the vote was even certified.
AND FINALLY, instead of relying on early voting, Congress should make voting day a national holiday, with paid vacation time for workers.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.
"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956
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Quote:Too many instances in FL?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?
What do you mean, "correct for"? There's no way to undo results so far in the past, the only thing to do is to make sure it doesn't happen again.
As I've posted before, the problem with the FL vote wasn't "hanging chads", it was with electronic voting. That was where an electronic voting machine registered something like -17,000 votes for Gore.
Electronic voting (specifically touch screen) also produced votes that were widely at variance with exit polls in 2004. http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html
But you forgot what the FL Scy State - Katherine Harris - did for Bush too. She assiduously scrubbed the voter rolls of any category of people that might possible lean Democratic.
*****
So, what to do?
Well, we would have to start with gerrymandering. Congress needs to pass a law, something like the Voting Rights Act, but one which applies to ALL states and which specifically addresses gerrymandering and voter registration fraud and voter roll tampering. Personally, I think these are technical issues which are easily solved with sound statistical sampling methods.
Also, I see nothing wrong with requiring picture ID in order to vote, as long as the requirement is put in place far enough in advance to allow the Secretaries of State and interested political parties the oppty to comb through their rolls and make sure that everyone has the required ID.
And personally, I believe the most secure vote is hand-written and hand-counted ballots. However, if people think that is too expensive, you need a system that uses paper ballots and which maintains an audit of each vote tally, so that the vote tallies can be audited against hand-counted tallies. None of this touch-screen bullshit. Also, Secretaries of State should be required to maintain the actual ballots for at least a year after the vote; there were too many instances in the FL vote of county or local officials tossing the paper rolls of tallies and ballots before the vote was even certified.
AND FINALLY, instead of relying on early voting, Congress should make voting day a national holiday, with paid vacation time for workers.
Obviously not, for the same Criminals perpetrating those crimes then are the same Criminals perpetrating the same crimes now.
FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast.
For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
The Liberals running my polling location have assured me that the machine is recording my vote accurately - without any proof for me, nor them, that that is true.
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Quote:The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.
FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.
FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.
Really, this wouldn't work either. At least in no way could it be considered above reproach. Paper ballots could just be miscounted, whether on accident or on purpose, or they could just be lost. Whoopsie!!!
I don't believe that there is any true way to ensure that fraud doesn't happen at one point of the election or another. Even if we're talking extremely Orwellian solutions.
Even if we got rid of all privacy surrounding voting records and you were allowed to verify your own ballot online, how would you know that everybody elses's were valid? If you were able to verify everybody elses ballots, how would you know if they actually voted or not?
Though there are things that we could do to try to curb voter fraud, the truth is it can never be eliminated no matter how pro-tech or anti-tech it is done, short of our creation of an all-powerful, omnipotent and completely unbiased A.I. tracking every step of the way.
But in that case, wouldn't the logical thing to do be to vote for the A.I.?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Agreed on all counts.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.
FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.
But the invisible magic method is far less transparent than making a modicum of effort at the façade of Fidelity.
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Quote:Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
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nkaVote Voting System
All direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines used after January 1, 2006, must have an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail, pursuant to California Elections Code Section 19250. All voters voting on an electronic voting machine should review and verify their ballot choices on this printed paper record, prior to finalizing and casting their ballot. Once the ballot is cast, this paper record of the ballot is retained inside the voting machine as part of the election audit trail to verify the accuracy of the votes recorded. In accordance with California law, voters do not get a printed paper record of their vote choices. [But they can see it as they're marking it]
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/voting-syste
ms-used-counties/how-use-your-countys-voting-system/inkavote-voting-system/
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Quote:I used a machine lime that, it seemed to work well. That was in the smallest community I've voted in in the past 30 years, and they did not have rampant Voting Fraud.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
nkaVote Voting System
All direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines used after January 1, 2006, must have an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail, pursuant to California Elections Code Section 19250. All voters voting on an electronic voting machine should review and verify their ballot choices on this printed paper record, prior to finalizing and casting their ballot. Once the ballot is cast, this paper record of the ballot is retained inside the voting machine as part of the election audit trail to verify the accuracy of the votes recorded. In accordance with California law, voters do not get a printed paper record of their vote choices. [But they can see it as they're marking it]
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/voting-syste
ms-used-counties/how-use-your-countys-voting-system/inkavote-voting-system/
The Libtard strongholds (Sanctuary Cities) have steadfastly refused to use machines like that.
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Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.
Quote:Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!
Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire
Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.
In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.
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After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.
Earlier:
The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.
Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.
The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.
Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.
Who is Brenda Snipes?
Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.
In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.
In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.
In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.
Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.
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Ever since coming to SoCal, I've noticed people are FAR more casual about their names than I ever thought possible, even with their employment records. I've even been wondering all this time how legal that is.
For some reason, a lot of Anglos here drop their first name and go by their middle name. So Jennifer Lisa Jones becomes Lisa Jones, or in a pinch J Lisa Jones. John Thomas Smith becomes Tom Smith, or J Tom Smith. A lot of Asians are assigned western names when they're naturalized, so Hwa-Di becomes Judi. And a lot of Hispanics go by their nicknames. Even last names are up for grabs, depending on who might or might not change their name after marriage, or which parent is listed on the birth certificate, or which parent the kid likes better.
Perhaps the plethora of registered voters happens because people keep re-registering under new versions of their names.
It matters more I think whether or not these people with multiple registrations actually vote multiple times under different names - and honestly, you'd have to be seriously dedicated to do that. Registration fraud in terms of multiple IDs doesn't seem to be an issue to me.
It seems it matters most of all whether or not everyone who is registered and votes is eligible.
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And then ... there's Broward County. Sheesh.
It just goes to show that if you REALLY want to mess with the vote, you have to be in a position of power.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
T
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In 2000, Gore conceded to Bush in a speech full of high-minded rhetoric about “the law” and how his surrender could “point us all to a new common ground.” Bush officially won Florida by 537 votes and the electoral college by 271-266, and went on to become one of the most catastrophic presidents in U.S. history. Except Bush actually lost and Al Gore won the vote in Florida.
A year later, in November 2001, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago announced the results of an examination of all 170,000 undervotes and overvotes.
NORC found that with a full statewide hand recount, Gore would have won Florida under every possible vote standard. Depending on which standard was used, his margin of victory would have varied from 60 to 171 votes.
The recount was paid for by a consortium of news outlets — CNN, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Palm Beach Post. But this was just two months after the September 11 terrorist attacks. The outlets patriotically buried the blockbuster news that George W. Bush was not the legitimate president of the United States.
The Gore campaign wanted everyone to stand down. McAlevey quotes a higher up as telling her, “The Gore campaign has made the decision that this is not the image they want. They don’t want to protest. They don’t want to rock the boat. They don’t want to seem like they don’t have faith in the legal system.”
This was Gore’s central mistake. “You cannot trust ‘the legal process,’” McAlevey explains today. In reality, there is no such thing as a fair legal process separate from and immune to outside political pressure.
The Republicans understood this in 2000, but Democrats did not. Instead, terrified of being portrayed as acting as a mob, the Democrats ceded people power to the GOP — who actually were a mob. “The original use of a mob in recent history was the Brooks Brothers riot,” says McAlevey, who was present when paid Republican staffers famously halted a recount in Miami-Dade. “They were literally throwing chairs and tables.”
More at https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/democrats-should-remember-al-gore-
won-florida-in-2000-but-lost-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:It does not require serious dedication. It is just a game to them. The rules of the Game are publicly available, and Democrats teach and train them how to Cheat, For the Win - using their traditional and time-tested techniques of Fraud.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Ever since coming to SoCal, I've noticed people are FAR more casual about their names than I ever thought possible, even with their employment records. I've even been wondering all this time how legal that is.
For some reason, a lot of Anglos here drop their first name and go by their middle name. So Jennifer Lisa Jones becomes Lisa Jones, or in a pinch J Lisa Jones. John Thomas Smith becomes Tom Smith, or J Tom Smith. A lot of Asians are assigned western names when they're naturalized, so Hwa-Di becomes Judi. And a lot of Hispanics go by their nicknames. Even last names are up for grabs, depending on who might or might not change their name after marriage, or which parent is listed on the birth certificate, or which parent the kid likes better.
Perhaps the plethora of registered voters happens because people keep re-registering under new versions of their names.
It matters more I think whether or not these people with multiple registrations actually vote multiple times under different names - and honestly, you'd have to be seriously dedicated to do that. Registration fraud in terms of multiple IDs doesn't seem to be an issue to me.
It seems it matters most of all whether or not everyone who is registered and votes is eligible.
Have you seen the videos of how gleefully they brag about how many times they voted, how many different ways they committed Election Fraud?
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Broward County .. oy vey!
If you recall, Broward County was the "hanging chad" place of 2000. Apparently, they can't design a decent voting system.
A day after this year's election, somebody "suddenly" discovered boxes full of ballots. Apparently, they can't keep track of their voting materials.
Today, MORE problems are popping up in Broward County!
Quote:
Face palm. Absolute. Face. Palm.
From the New York Times:
Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.
Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.
How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.
No shit. Brenda Snipes needs to be fired, based on her record. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/8/1811374/-Butterfly-redux-Bad-
ballot-in-Broward-County-may-cost-Nelson-thousands-of-votes-and-maybe-the-win
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Quote:You seem to o be mistaking intentional repetitive Election Fraud as mere accident, repetitive collisions, accident after accident after accident after accident, perpetrated by the same goons each time.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County .. oy vey!
If you recall, Broward County was the "hanging chad" place of 2000. Apparently, they can't design a decent voting system.
A day after this year's election, somebody "suddenly" discovered boxes full of ballots. Apparently, they can't keep track of their voting materials.
Today, MORE problems are popping up in Broward County!Quote:
Face palm. Absolute. Face. Palm.
From the New York Times:
Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.
Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.
How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.
No shit. Brenda Snipes needs to be fired, based on her record. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/8/1811374/-Butterfly-redux-Bad-
ballot-in-Broward-County-may-cost-Nelson-thousands-of-votes-and-maybe-the-win
Unless you ou are being sarcastic. Otherwise, the professional Democrat Criminals are grateful that enough lemmings are as gullible as you.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
T
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
T
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Translation to English?
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Tom Luongo, libertarian, unloading on Broward County, rigged voting, Mike Pompeo and Trump
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Quote:Translation to English?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
T
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
lol - Laughing Out Loud
As in, T is a clown and everything he types amuses me.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Yes, I know. This will be immortalized in the THUGR lexicon of unintentioally funny moments.
Quote:Wha, wait? America stands for Reavers?? Whooda thunk?
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver
Quote:IF ONLY!!!
all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
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Curious how these " problems " pop up only in the bluest ( Democratic ) districts , and only after the election is over, staffed by those who have held their positions the longest, and SHOULD be the " experts " at organizing and running things smoothly.
Despite a week or two of pre-election day voting, and the availability to mail in ballots, there doesn't seem to be any possible way to collect and contain all these ballots in a secure, safe and monitored facility or locations.
It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:Exactly what Luongo said.
It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.
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Where are ' found ' ballots appearing, seemingly out of no where, in deep GOP districts, in tight races ?
I missed that on the news.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Translation to English?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.
Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10
The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software
Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.
Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
T
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
lol - Laughing Out Loud
As in, T is a clown and everything he types amuses me.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I meant Translation to English of that gibberish you were lolling at.
It seemed like you had understood some of it. So you could share.
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Quote:I would like to hear about one of these Fake Vote Manufacturing facilities in a District with non-D Election Officers.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Exactly what Luongo said.
It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.
Can you name one?
Or is this your imagination?
I have not seen this in TN, VA, CA, IL, MN, WI.
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There's a lot more ways to rig the vote without "finding" ballots. Use your imagination!
Hacked electronic voting/ vote counting. (R)
Katherine Harris and her OBVIOUS manipulation of voter rolls. (R)
Threatening-looking "security" people patrolling the voting area. (D)
Non-valid voter registration (Project Acorn, anyone?)
Or the latest: Last-minute changes to voter ID requirements. Specifically a Republican effort in N Dakota:
Quote:This not only discriminates against homeless people and Native Americans, it discriminates against ANYONE who lives in the deep country, where homes don't always have street addresses.
Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places
Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.
This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.
Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.
I'm all for secure, properly ID'd, FAIR voting. But disenfranchising people like this just stinks.
Neither party plays fair. Except for in CA, where boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission, voting has seldom been reformed.
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Quote:So you admit it was your imagination.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I would like to hear about one of these Fake Vote Manufacturing facilities in a District with non-D Election Officers.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Exactly what Luongo said.
It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.
Can you name one?
Or is this your imagination?
I have not seen this in TN, VA, CA, IL, MN, WI.
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Quote:Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.Quote:
Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire
Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.
In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.
***
After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.
Earlier:
The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.
Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.
The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.
Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.
Who is Brenda Snipes?
Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.
In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.
In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.
In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.
Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.
Where was this quote sourced from?
Accidentally posting the specific Voting tally before Voting poll booths were even closed. No reason for concern here, ignore that man behind the curtain.
Almost as suspicious as Detectives announcing the specific Crime Lab test results of "Evidence" in the OJ Simpson case. Announced a full day before the Crime Lab even received the "evidence" so they could start testing it.
Good thing chillen are not allowed to learn critical thought or logic.
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Quote:Good Luck explaining your lie to Robert Dornan.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There's a lot more ways to rig the vote without "finding" ballots. Use your imagination!
Hacked electronic voting/ vote counting. (R)
Katherine Harris and her OBVIOUS manipulation of voter rolls. (R)
Threatening-looking "security" people patrolling the voting area. (D)
Non-valid voter registration (Project Acorn, anyone?)
Or the latest: Last-minute changes to voter ID requirements. Specifically a Republican effort in N Dakota:Quote:This not only discriminates against homeless people and Native Americans, it discriminates against ANYONE who lives in the deep country, where homes don't always have street addresses.
Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places
Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.
This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.
Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.
I'm all for secure, properly ID'd, FAIR voting. But disenfranchising people like this just stinks.
Neither party plays fair. Except for in CA, where boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission, voting has seldom been reformed.
Except for CA my azz.
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Quote:I have no idea of the point that you're trying to make.
Good Luck explaining your lie to Robert Dornan.
The CA district boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission.
Quote:http://redistricting.lls.edu/who.php
The remaining states -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, and Washington -- all draw both state and federal districts using an independent commission, with regulations limiting direct participation by elected officials ... Members of these commissions are neither legislators nor public officials. Each state also bans commissioners from running for office in the districts they draw, at least for a few years after the commission finishes its work.
However, California VOTER ROLLS are another story!
Like I said, there are a lot of ways to manipulate the vote, and both parties have figured out every possible angle on gaining advantage. It's what political parties do, neh?
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Where did I get that from??
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/657125819/many-native-ids-wont-be-accep
ted-at-north-dakota-polling-places
https://fox4kc.com/2018/10/13/native-americans-run-into-huge-voting-hu
rdle-in-north-dakota/
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/10/13/npr-many-native-american-ids-
not-accepted-north-dakota-polling-places
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Quote:I just want to expand on that a bit. Once you have political parties and those entities are given some control over how votes are conducted, it's an evolutionary inevitability that the party (parties) which exercise the most effective control over the vote will get more of it's members in office, gain MORE control over the voting process, and survive and thrive. So unless laws are written which specifically bar those manipulative activities, and policies are in place that ENSURE that voters are represented it will be the law of the jungle. Political parties seeking to take advantage? In a way, they're just fulfilling their purpose.
Like I said, there are a lot of ways to manipulate the vote, and both parties have figured out every possible angle on gaining advantage. It's what political parties do, neh? SIGNY
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Quote:Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.Quote:
Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire
Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.
In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.
***
After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.
Earlier:
The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.
Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.
The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.
Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.
Who is Brenda Snipes?
Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.
In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.
In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.
In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.
Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.
Yes, where did you get that from?
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Quote:Written like an entrenched Democrat.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I just want to expand on that a bit. Once you have political parties and those entities are given some control over how votes are conducted, it's an evolutionary inevitability that the party (parties) which exercise the most effective control over the vote will get more of it's members in office, gain MORE control over the voting process, and survive and thrive. So unless laws are written which specifically bar those manipulative activities, and policies are in place that ENSURE that voters are represented it will be the law of the jungle. Political parties seeking to take advantage? In a way, they're just fulfilling their purpose.
Like I said, there are a lot of ways to manipulate the vote, and both parties have figured out every possible angle on gaining advantage. It's what political parties do, neh? SIGNY
Conservatives get elected to Public Office to serve the public, abide the Law, abide The Constitution.
Liberals/Progressives seek to circumvent all Laws and Integrity, corrupt and destroy The Constitution, evade Honest and Legal Election practices - just like you explained.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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I can cite any number of devious vote-rigging heists by the GOP. Most blatantly the cyber-theft of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections.
Please don't be like THUGR about this topic. Painful as it might be, facts are what they are. And in a sense, I don't blame either party for doing what they do: Our laws set the "environment" by rewarding some behaviors and dis-incentivising others. The parties are only doing what they're incentivised to do; it's an inevitable response given the situation.
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Quote:Actual cyber-theft of an election should not be tolerated, endorsed, or celebrated.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I can cite any number of devious vote-rigging heists by the GOP. Most blatantly the cyber-theft of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections.
Please don't be like THUGR about this topic. Painful as it might be, facts are what they are. And in a sense, I don't blame either party for doing what they do: Our laws set the "environment" by rewarding some behaviors and dis-incentivising others. The parties are only doing what they're incentivised to do; it's an inevitable response given the situation.
Otherwise, please cite any number of vote heists by the GoP.
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Quote:I just did. I provided links earlier. What else do you want from me?
... please cite any number of vote heists by the GoP.
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Is there any proof of this?
And I agree, crying about "rigged" elections make those stupid fucks look like
crybabies. A good example of Governor Scott, that Nazi scumbag. Oh, I forgot that could be construed as libel. That pansy-ass, scumbag (there that's better).
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
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Good point.
Any proof of Russian interference two years later either?
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Is there any proof of this?
And I agree, crying about "rigged" elections make those stupid fucks look like
crybabies. A good example of Governor Scott, that Nazi scumbag. Oh, I forgot that could be construed as libel. That pansy-ass, scumbag (there that's better).
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:And wow, you just spent two whole YEARS crying about a "hacked" election!
crying about "rigged" elections make those stupid fucks look like crybabies.- SHINY
What am I not understanding here?
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My god. are all Broward Co elections officials complete clowns?
Quote:No shit!
Provisional Ballot Boxes Discovered Inside AVIS Rental Car At Ft. Lauderdale Airport
Provisional ballot boxes from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections Office were reportedly discovered in the back of an AVIS rental car at Fort Lauderdale Airport on Sunday night, as first reported by investigative journalist Laura Loomer.
Attorney and Broward GOP State Committeeman Richard DeNapoli says he received a call from an AVIS employee informing him of the found ballot boxes after sheriff's deputies were initially unwilling to investigate. Approximately 20 minutes after receiving the tip, however, a heavy police presence arrived and blocked off traffic to the airport, and a bomb threat was announced.
Pictures taken at the scene show two boxes. One box is red, and the other is grey. The grey box is labeled "PROVISIONAL BALLOT BOX" with a sign that says "Broward County Supervisor of Elections", a purple tag that says "ERT region 13", and a backwards yellow tag with a seven digit numerical and five letter code. -Laura Loomer
DeNapoli says that the car was rented to a man by the name of Noah Holliman.
...
Sunday evening, the Broward County Sheriff's Office tweeted "Our deputies and bomb squad are responding to a report of a suspicious package outside @FLLFlyer Terminal 4," only later to tweet an "all-clear."
Loomer says that when she attempted to make her way to the airport, she was blocked by an officer. She then told the public that "Broward County Sheriff's Officers were on the scene filling out a police report and documenting the ballots."
Florida Politico Lauren Cooley also rushed to the scene, saying (via Laura Loomer):
"The AVIS employee didn't know what to do. No one wanted to touch the boxes or take responsibility for them. Finally, sheriffs deputies agreed to take the provisional ballot boxes into their custody. It's an odd situation when supervisor of elections (SOE) employees are so careless with important election materials, but its becoming a trend in Broward County."
Quote:
Meanwhile, DeNapoli added the following in an emailed statement to Loomer:
"The way it went down: rental agency guy contacted me because he saw my name on Florida GOP website as contact for Broward County. He said he spoke with some Sheriffs Deputy Personnel at the airport but they seemed disinterested in getting involved. I contacted some friends in law enforcement who got the FDLE involved. After I arrived at the airport, FDLE contacted Broward Sheriff Jeremey Hansen who came to the Avis at the Fort Lauderdale airport. They interviewed me and the AVIS employee and took the boxes into evidence."
Loomer notes that "while the "media" was in Terminal 4 reporting on a non-existent bomb threat that was literally tweeted from the official Twitter account of the Broward Sheriffs Office. Meanwhile, there was never a bomb."
"The FBI needs to kick in the door, interview all board of election employees, shutter the Broward County elections offices, seize all the ballots and put a stop to the Democrats disrupting the elections," said GOP operative Ali Alexander with StopTheSteal - a campaign established to collect intelligence and document alleged election malfeasance amid the Florida ballot controversies.
"This is a bigger story than we could have ever imagined and Floridians and the entire country demand answers."
Jeez Louise, these people shouldn't be anywhere near an election they're so incompetent!
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Quote:Is an indictment enough for you to change your tune about no proof? Or will convincing you require Trump sending an Army into Russia to capture the people indicted so that they can go to trial in America? I'm pretty sure Trump won't be giving that order to the Pentagon because Trump wants 6ix to keep on saying there is no proof.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Any proof of Russian interference two years later either?
12 Russian GRU officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.
13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments
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Quote:An "indictment" is an accusation, not a conviction.
Is an indictment enough for you to change your tune about no proof?
Of the entities indicted, one demanded its day in court. Now, part of the process is that you have to show the evidence against the indicted individual, but when Concord (the company in question) demanded to see the evidence, Mueller choked ....
Quote:
Indicted Russian company complains Mueller hasn’t handed over evidence
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388055-indicted-russian-co
mpany-complains-mueller-hasnt-handed-over-evidence
The legal dicing continues, with ...
Quote:
Mueller’s Team Continues Their Humiliation at the Hands of a Russian Oligarch
... The flimsiness of the cases against all the Russians is underscored in the one case Mueller is being forced to prosecute, that of Concord Management, a company owned by oligarch, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Prigozhin was indicted with fanfare back in February and sent the left and NeverTrumpers, to the extent that there is still a difference between the two groups, into orgasmic paroxysms. Much to Mueller’s surprise, Concord retained US counsel.
Almost immediately, it became clear that Mueller’s crack team was not ready for prime time. For a while, the case seemed to be on the verge of dismissal. We found that Mueller had indicted a company that didn’t exist during the 2016 election.
Concord Management’s legal team was back in court last week and the hearing didn’t go well for the government. The judge asked some very pointed questions about how the government intended to prove the case. But it wasn’t apparent just how bad the hearing went for Team Mueller until the transcript of the hearing became available. ...
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/10/24/muellers-team-continues-hu
miliation-hands-russian-oligarch/
You know what they say about being able to indict a ham sandwich? Apparently, you confuse accusation with evidence. It's a mistake that you and the rest of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! crowd make constantly.
But then, why let FACTS get in the way of a good story, right SECOND?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Is an indictment enough for you to change your tune about no proof? Or will convincing you require Trump sending an Army into Russia to capture the people indicted so that they can go to trial in America? I'm pretty sure Trump won't be giving that order to the Pentagon because Trump wants 6ix to keep on saying there is no proof.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Any proof of Russian interference two years later either?
12 Russian GRU officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.
13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
I'm not saying that he's innocent. I'm saying that WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF.
You've hated him since November 9th, 2016. You want this so bad it's part of who you are now. If it turns out Trump did nothing wrong it will literally null and void the last two years of your life.
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Quote:This might be post of the week.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:An "indictment" is an accusation, not a conviction.
Is an indictment enough for you to change your tune about no proof?
Of the entities indicted, one demanded its day in court. Now, part of the process is that you have to show the evidence against the indicted individual, but when Concord (the company in question) demanded to see the evidence, Mueller choked ....Quote:
Indicted Russian company complains Mueller hasn’t handed over evidence
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388055-indicted-russian-co
mpany-complains-mueller-hasnt-handed-over-evidence
The legal dicing continues, with ...Quote:
Mueller’s Team Continues Their Humiliation at the Hands of a Russian Oligarch
... The flimsiness of the cases against all the Russians is underscored in the one case Mueller is being forced to prosecute, that of Concord Management, a company owned by oligarch, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Prigozhin was indicted with fanfare back in February and sent the left and NeverTrumpers, to the extent that there is still a difference between the two groups, into orgasmic paroxysms. Much to Mueller’s surprise, Concord retained US counsel.
Almost immediately, it became clear that Mueller’s crack team was not ready for prime time. For a while, the case seemed to be on the verge of dismissal. We found that Mueller had indicted a company that didn’t exist during the 2016 election.
Concord Management’s legal team was back in court last week and the hearing didn’t go well for the government. The judge asked some very pointed questions about how the government intended to prove the case. But it wasn’t apparent just how bad the hearing went for Team Mueller until the transcript of the hearing became available. ...
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/10/24/muellers-team-continues-hu
miliation-hands-russian-oligarch/
You know what they say about being able to indict a ham sandwich? Apparently, you confuse accusation with evidence. It's a mistake that you and the rest of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! crowd make constantly.
But then, why let FACTS get in the way of a good story, right SECOND?
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Quote:Proof?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Is there any proof of this?
And I agree, crying about "rigged" elections make those stupid fucks look like
crybabies. A good example of Governor Scott, that Nazi scumbag. Oh, I forgot that could be construed as libel. That pansy-ass, scumbag (there that's better).
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
??
Florida Early Voting ends by Sunday before Election Tuesday.
Florida State Law requires that all Early Voting ballot totals must be reported 30 minutes after polls closed on Tuesday (not to be confused with posting specific vote totals accurately 30 minutes before Voting polls are actually closed).
For the past week, the 2 Fraudulent Counties have continued to "find" early voting Ballots, which amazingly are only votes for Dems.
Are you really gullible enough to find this non-suspicious?
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Ya see! even a blind squirrel stumbles upon a nut every once in a while.
Yes, just like that 6ix, just like that excellent example.
Boy, you sure catch on quick. Come on everybody, a round of applause for Jack.
sgg
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good point.
Any proof of Russian interference two years later either?
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Is there any proof of this?
And I agree, crying about "rigged" elections make those stupid fucks look like
crybabies. A good example of Governor Scott, that Nazi scumbag. Oh, I forgot that could be construed as libel. That pansy-ass, scumbag (there that's better).
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.
At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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My god. are all Broward Co elections officials complete clowns?
No, just the stupid motherfuckers (Nazi?) who make false claims without any proof. And in case you don't get it, that would be that scumbag, Scott.
sgg
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Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Crying!? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha.....there's only one scumbag crying, care to take a guess who that stupid motherfucker is? Go on, guess!
Me? I'm laughing very heartily at all you poor schmucks trying desperately to turn this ass-fucking of the right wing-nuts into a win. I'm just having a really good laugh-out-loud moment.
Blue Wave courtesy of the stupidest fucking president in history. Yes, that dumb fucking POS.
SGG
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Proof?
??
Florida Early Voting ends by Sunday before Election Tuesday.
Florida State Law requires that all Early Voting ballot totals must be reported 30 minutes after polls closed on Tuesday (not to be confused with posting specific vote totals accurately 30 minutes before Voting polls are actually closed).
For the past week, the 2 Fraudulent Counties have continued to "find" early voting Ballots, which amazingly are only votes for Dems.
Are you really gullible enough to find this non-suspicious?
Where did you hear/read that little bit of news? Faux News?
SGG
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Crying!? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha.....there's only one scumbag crying, care to take a guess who that stupid motherfucker is? Go on, guess!
Me? I'm laughing very heartily at all you poor schmucks trying desperately to turn this ass-fucking of the right wing-nuts into a win. I'm just having a really good laugh-out-loud moment.
Blue Wave courtesy of the stupidest fucking president in history. Yes, that dumb fucking POS.
SGG
Bullshit dude.
What JSF is doing right now is the EXACT same thing you and the other goons here have been doing for the last two years. That doesn't just get erased because an election went (somewhat) the way you wanted it to.
I'm pointing out JSF's current behavior to draw parallels to the poor sportsmanship and hypocrisy of the left.
You had better move out of that glass house if you're going to start throwing stones now.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You know what they say about being able to indict a ham sandwich? Apparently, you confuse accusation with evidence. It's a mistake that you and the rest of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! crowd make constantly.
This is what makes me laugh - look at the first page of RWED threads and there are only 4 mentions of Russia. And all by you. On the second page there are only 3. Even if you dig into posts I bet that percentage would hold up - you talk about RUSSIA! way more than anyone else lately. Plus, saying we don't know the difference between evidence and an accusation is also dishonest. That's why I keep asking you and Kiki and JSF, "how do you know what Mueller knows?" Because you all seem to think you do... and yet you can't possibly. That's like either stupid or lying, right? Yep!
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Quote:I have, and ... you're a liar.
This is what makes me laugh - look at the first page of RWED threads and there are only 4 mentions of Russia. And all by you.
Quote:Hey, was I the one who brought RUSSIA!! into this thread?
Even if you dig into posts I bet that percentage would hold up - you talk about RUSSIA! way more than anyone else lately.
Quote:Hey, was I the one who brought RUSSIA!! "indictments" into this thread?
Plus, saying we don't know the difference between evidence and an accusation is also dishonest
This WAS a thread about "rigged voting" until SECOND dragged Russia into it, so fuck off and stop lying. Shit, you lie more than Trump does.
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What am I not understanding here?
Don't worry dear, the home will dispense the psychotropic drugs momentarily.
Then maybe your memory will come back.
(Poor dear, left to her own devices - like social media - it couldn't be helped. Now don't forget how to swallow, those pills are going to help you).
With apologies to the Cuckoo's Nest.
Next time pay fucking attention, you fucking hag!
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Fuck you and your goosestepping buddies. Nothing can change the assfucking the Donald just took. So deep that he didn't come out to honor the Armed Forces on
Veteran's Day.
Oh, did the poor baby-man get his feelings hurt? Awwwww, poor widdle donny!
Fuck him! Good! Stay indoors and tweet to your evil black heart's delight.
There, there donny.....Uncle Putin will be around soon to cheer you up.
MCLMF
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Crying!? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha.....there's only one scumbag crying, care to take a guess who that stupid motherfucker is? Go on, guess!
Me? I'm laughing very heartily at all you poor schmucks trying desperately to turn this ass-fucking of the right wing-nuts into a win. I'm just having a really good laugh-out-loud moment.
Blue Wave courtesy of the stupidest fucking president in history. Yes, that dumb fucking POS.
SGG
Bullshit dude.
What JSF is doing right now is the EXACT same thing you and the other goons here have been doing for the last two years. That doesn't just get erased because an election went (somewhat) the way you wanted it to.
I'm pointing out JSF's current behavior to draw parallels to the poor sportsmanship and hypocrisy of the left.
You had better move out of that glass house if you're going to start throwing stones now.
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Hrmmmmmm...
History doesn't support your claim here.
In 2010, Obama had a much larger loss than Trump did in 2018 in the middle of their first terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
Republicans gained 6 Senate seats and 63 House seats in 2010. Republicans also gained 6 Governorships.
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Fuck you and your goosestepping buddies. Nothing can change the assfucking the Donald just took. So deep that he didn't come out to honor the Armed Forces on
Veteran's Day.
Oh, did the poor baby-man get his feelings hurt? Awwwww, poor widdle donny!
Fuck him! Good! Stay indoors and tweet to your evil black heart's delight.
There, there donny.....Uncle Putin will be around soon to cheer you up.
MCLMFQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Crying!? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha.....there's only one scumbag crying, care to take a guess who that stupid motherfucker is? Go on, guess!
Me? I'm laughing very heartily at all you poor schmucks trying desperately to turn this ass-fucking of the right wing-nuts into a win. I'm just having a really good laugh-out-loud moment.
Blue Wave courtesy of the stupidest fucking president in history. Yes, that dumb fucking POS.
SGG
Bullshit dude.
What JSF is doing right now is the EXACT same thing you and the other goons here have been doing for the last two years. That doesn't just get erased because an election went (somewhat) the way you wanted it to.
I'm pointing out JSF's current behavior to draw parallels to the poor sportsmanship and hypocrisy of the left.
You had better move out of that glass house if you're going to start throwing stones now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So, listening to NPR and their hypocrisy is mind-bending.
They were bemoaning that Trump was tweeting about "election fraud" in Florida which was making people "lose faith" in our voting system,
1) Have they forgotten the past two years when they harped ENDLESSLY about RUSSIA!!! ? If "faith" is so important to them, do they not recognize that THEIR actions might make people "lose faith" as well? Apparently not!
2) In any case "faith" is what the Catholic Church wants for you when it tells you that it protects little boys and girls. Asking you to have "faith" is like asking you to close your eyes and bend over. Our election processes should't NEED "faith" ... they should be able to withstand harsh, skeptical, forensic, open scrutiny.
So far, they fail the test. There are literally DOZENS of ways that our elections can be more secure and more robust. Why haven't they been undertaken? Why is NPR appealing to "faith" instead of "verify"?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, listening to NPR and their hypocrisy is mind-bending.
They were bemoaning that Trump was tweeting about "election fraud" in Florida which was making people "lose faith" in our voting system,
1) Have they forgotten the past two years when they harped ENDLESSLY about RUSSIA!!! ? If "faith" is so important to them, do they not recognize that THEIR actions might make people "lose faith" as well? Apparently not!
2) In any case "faith" is what the Catholic Church wants for you when it tells you that it protects little boys and girls. Asking you to have "faith" is like asking you to close your eyes and bend over. Our election processes should't NEED "faith" ... they should be able to withstand harsh, skeptical, forensic, open scrutiny.
So far, they fail the test. There are literally DOZENS of ways that our elections can be more secure and more robust. Why haven't they been undertaken? Why is NPR appealing to "faith" instead of "verify"?
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Yes. They have already forgotten.
Obama comes out and says "Election Fraud. How could that even happen." when they win. Then when they lose we have to hear about how Russians hacked the election for two straight years (On top of the Electoral College BS). Then when history repeats itself and the side that has the white house loses some seats, the JSFs on that side cry about voter fraud again, like they always do, and the Dems forget that they have been bitching about voter fraud for 2 straight years.
It would actually be quite funny if it wasn't so very sad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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OMFG, Florida Democratic vote officials are as bad as Republicans!
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Federal prosecutors reviewing altered election documents tied to Florida Democrats
The Florida Department of State last week asked federal prosecutors to investigate dates that were changed on official state election documents, the first voting “irregularities” it has flagged in the wake of the 2018 elections.
The concerns, which the department says can be tied to the Florida Democratic Party, center around date changes on forms used to fix vote-by-mail ballots sent with incorrect or missing information. Known as “cure affidavits,” those documents used to fix mail ballots were due no later than 5 p.m. on Nov. 5 — the day before the election. But affidavits released on Tuesday by the DOS show that documents from four different counties said the ballots could be returned by 5 p.m. on Thursday, which is not accurate.
Audio of a Florida Democratic Party caller leaving a voicemail message asking a Palm Beach County voter to fix their vote by mail ballot after Election Day, which is not allowed, was also sent to POLITICO separately. It was not part of the information turned over to federal prosecutors.
Among the counties in question is Broward, which emerged as the epicenter of controversy as three statewide races and three local legislative races went into recounts following the Nov. 6 elections. Republicans have pointed to embattled Broward Elections chief Brenda Snipes' record of past election gaffes in arguing that the largely Democratic country is tilted against them — perhaps fraudulently so.
DOS officials have repeatedly told the media that the monitors they sent to Broward County saw no election fraud. It wasn't until Tuesday that the office revealed publicly that it had turned over information to federal prosecutors.
The information was sent on Nov. 9 by Bradley McVay, DOS’ interim general counsel, who asked that the altered dates be investigated.
“Altering a form in a manner that provides the incorrect date for a voter to cure a defect … imposes a burden on the voter significant enough to frustrate the voter’s ability to vote,” McVay wrote in a letter that was sent Nov. 9 and released publicly on Tuesday. The letter was sent to U.S. Attorneys Christopher P. Canova of the Northern District of Florida, Maria Chapa Lopez of the Middle District of Florida and Ariana Fajardo Orshan in the Southern District of Florida.
The records released by DOS, which is part of Gov. Rick Scott’s administration, point the finger at the Florida Democratic Party. Political parties can get daily lists of people who had their mail-in ballots rejected. Political parties — or anyone else — can also get the publicly available cure affidavits and send them to voters who had a mail-in ballot rejected to encourage them to fix the ballots.
In an email chain released as part of the Department of State's Tuesday document dump, Citrus County Supervisor of Elections Susan Gill last week told DOS officials that a voter who received one of the cure affidavits with the wrong date had also received a call from a number identified as the Tallahassee office of the Florida Democratic Party, an indication the party was reaching out about her vote by mail ballot.
"When I called it, it is the Democratic Party of Florida," she said in a Nov. 8 email to DOS officials.
She went on to write that she thinks the incorrect date was used because whoever sent the cure affidavit mixed up the deadline for cure affidavits with the deadline for provisional ballots. But, she said, "a bigger problem is the fact they actually changed one of the DOE forms."
That change to an official election form was what state officials turned over to federal prosecutors.
Another email included in the DOS document dump included correspondence from Okaloosa County Supervisor of Elections Paul Lux, who also said he believed the affidavits were from the Florida Democratic Party.
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Bullshit dood,
Better clean the shit off of your glasses and re-read my post. See if you could find anywhere in there any mention of history. No claim, just fact.
Your "fearless" leader shit his pants on the day after. You're the one that went historical.
I just waxed poetic about the POS president and how he'll need "comforting" from his favorite dicktator. He's preparing his sorry ass with the latest
flavor in KY jelly (practicing for jail life).
I haven't kept score recently, I just keep hearing about another fucking scumbag biting the dust. What does Bart Simpson say: "Cowabunga!" Surf's up!
SGG
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Hrmmmmmm...
History doesn't support your claim here.
In 2010, Obama had a much larger loss than Trump did in 2018 in the middle of their first terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010
Republicans gained 6 Senate seats and 63 House seats in 2010. Republicans also gained 6 Governorships.Quote:
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Fuck you and your goosestepping buddies. Nothing can change the assfucking the Donald just took. So deep that he didn't come out to honor the Armed Forces on
Veteran's Day.
Oh, did the poor baby-man get his feelings hurt? Awwwww, poor widdle donny!
Fuck him! Good! Stay indoors and tweet to your evil black heart's delight.
There, there donny.....Uncle Putin will be around soon to cheer you up.
MCLMFQuote:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Hows about you and JSF both stop crying when elections don't go your way, mkay?
Crying!? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha.....there's only one scumbag crying, care to take a guess who that stupid motherfucker is? Go on, guess!
Me? I'm laughing very heartily at all you poor schmucks trying desperately to turn this ass-fucking of the right wing-nuts into a win. I'm just having a really good laugh-out-loud moment.
Blue Wave courtesy of the stupidest fucking president in history. Yes, that dumb fucking POS.
SGG
Bullshit dude.
What JSF is doing right now is the EXACT same thing you and the other goons here have been doing for the last two years. That doesn't just get erased because an election went (somewhat) the way you wanted it to.
I'm pointing out JSF's current behavior to draw parallels to the poor sportsmanship and hypocrisy of the left.
You had better move out of that glass house if you're going to start throwing stones now.
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Bullshit dude.
What JSF is doing right now is the EXACT same thing you and the other goons here have been doing for the last two years. That doesn't just get erased because an election went (somewhat) the way you wanted it to.
Dood...."goon" really!? That hurt!
Especially since...............I'm a...........
MCLMF
SGG
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MCLMF
Millenial cunt-licking mother-fucker?
Milquetoast cowardly lickspittle millenial freeloader?
Hmmm... that could be a LOT of things, SHINY! All I need to do is let my imagination be my guide!
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Hey Sigs, good morning.
a commentary regarding rigged voting.
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The Ring of Fire, published Nov. 13, 2018
Republicans are trying desperately to stop the counting of ballots in the state of Florida because with every new batch of ballots that come in, their leads get smaller. Governor Rick Scott is trying to hang on to the Senate seat that he allegedly won last week and he attempted to sue the state to stop the counting of ballots on the grounds that the election was filled with fraud. A judge this week smacked down Scott’s claims saying there was no evidence to back them up. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.
Link – https://thinkprogress.org/florida-jud...]
http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/11/13/mainstream-media-parrots-t
rump-s-baseless-claims-regarding-florida-recounts/222059
Following news that Florida Senate and gubernatorial races would be heading to recounts, many mainstream media outlets reported on President Donald Trump’s claims of voter fraud in the Florida election, but failed to note in their tweets and headlines that the accusations were baseless.
A state judge presiding over a lawsuit regarding the Florida recount has noted that there is zero evidence of voter fraud, election tampering, or misconduct by election officials or workers. Miami Herald previously reported that state election observers have seen no evidence of criminal activity or election tampering in Broward County, where the controversial election supervisor has drawn criticism for alleged incompetence during the midterm elections.
Despite a lack of evidence, Trump took to Twitter to push conspiracy theories about the Florida elections, calling ballots “massively infected,” accusing Democrats of trying to “steal two big elections in Florida,” and baselessly claiming that “many ballots are missing or forged.”
Covering a president who frequently repeats lies has proven to be a challenge for the media since the beginning of Trump’s presidency, with many outlets publishing headlines and tweets that report his statements but fail to note their inaccuracies. Repeating the president’s claims in headlines without giving proper context only spreads Trump’s lies and causes confusion, which is particularly detrimental during coverage of elections and undermines faith in the country’s democratic institutions. It also sets media outlets up as easy targets for Trump to manipulate, allowing him to more easily spread his dishonesty and lies.
While the article headline emphasized the lack of evidence in Trump’s claims, the tweet did not. Though ABC later issued a follow-up tweet including the phrase “without evidence,” the original tweet received a lot more retweets.
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Ha! You imagination...........YGTBFKM!
Yes, I EAT PUSSY FOR BREAKFAST!!!
Now, cunt licking is for LESBOS.....you know about that, right?
sgg
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MCLMF
Millenial cunt-licking mother-fucker?
Milquetoast cowardly lickspittle millenial freeloader?
Hmmm... that could be a LOT of things, SHINY! All I need to do is let my imagination be my guide!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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These officials have NO IDEA how fed up the American people are... but this woman let them know
https://truthsocial.com/@dbongino/posts/109424102517109594
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Clinton “Clint” Curtis showed up on wikileaks, evealing potential manipulation of touchscreen voting machine code.
All In With Sidney Powell; The Queen Bee Of Exposing Corruption
https://www.bitchute.com/video/pFlDAEN7QFqz/
The Pete Santilli Show
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