Rigged voting .... been going on for a long time, and still happening
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Friday, August 11, 2023 00:49
VIEWED: 8227
PAGE 1 of 9
I've lived long enough to have heard about at least one rigged election (JFK and the Chicago Machine vs Nixon) and to have witnessed two three more.
2000 Election
With FL State Secretary Katherine Harris busy scrubbing approximately 57,000 likely Democratic voters off the voter rolls, http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/ the power of being able to control the voter rolls became evident. However, much worse was to come. In an extremely close race (thanks in part to Harris) the Supreme Court stopped a vote recount, and gave the election to GWB. An entire state recount the following year by a consortium of newspapers which was determined to figure out who REALLY won Florida found that the "hanging chad" controversy would not have changed the results by much- but that recounting ELECTRONIC votes in Republican-leaning districts would have actually swung the vote to Gore.
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volusia_error
The error cropped up in Volusia's 216th precinct of only 585 registered voters. A Global Election Systems (acquired by Diebold Election Systems now Premier Election Solutions) voting machine showed that 412 of those registered voters had voted. The problem was that the machine also claimed those 412 voters had somehow given Bush 2,813 votes and in addition had given Gore a negative vote count of -16,022 votes
The clusterfuck that was the FL vote got a group of activists involved who looked deeply into- among other things - electronic voting. They discovered that electronic voting was extremely hackable. The way electronic vote COUNTING works is that a computer "card" is inserted into a vote-counting machine. As ballots are fed into the machine the votes are recorded on the chips on the card.
At its most primitive level, the final tally can simply be overwritten by a person editing an unsecured system. Another option is to "pre-load" the vote counting card with a certain number of votes for the selected candidate. A third way to change the vote count is to insert a subroutine into the vote-counting program which throws ... let;s say, one out of every ten votes to the preferred candidate. And there is always the possibility of having touch-screen voting being "mis-indexed" to improperly record the position of the touched point.
None of this requires being connected to "the internet".
You can find out more about this at Black Box Voting http://blackboxvoting.org/
2004 Election
In 2004, there was an even more widespread discrepancy between exit polls and and vote tallies. Exit polls had Kerry ahead 53% to 47%; official vote tallies more than reversed the result.
Quote:
Bush Jr. also did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touchscreen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush....
Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush’s advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as 9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.
In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to 26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.
One explanation for the strange anomalies in vote tallies was found in the widespreadNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.
"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956
____________________________________________
Russia trolls get contract extension
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60719
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
There are expense reports and a proposal for a three-person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.
HOLY CRAP!!! WHAT A BLOWOUT REVELATION !!! not.
And btw - AS USUAL - the 'news' article consisted of a lot of claims by US officialdom, and zero evidence.
But I have to say, there's one thing about you THUGGR that NEVER changes - you are the most gullible lackey I have ever known.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Yanno THUGR, it's pathetic, it really is.
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
You're just like one of those reichwing conservatives on global warming. There you are, bravely standing against Wikipedia, widespread media reports, investigations, university statisticians, computer programmers. live demonstrations of hacking techniques .... I guess NOBODY can discern "fact" from "fiction" quite like you can! And thank god for that!
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4#1
018100
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
more of it
Voting Fraud?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Gotta love the tinfoil.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.
"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956
Could you identify where you first posted it?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I read the article and it shows no such thing as it claims.
While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4#1
018100
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
in fact, the entirety of the details it gives consists of:
There are expense reports but it leaves unaddressed what those expenses were - for all it says, it could be coffee and donuts and a proposal for a three-person operation my god, a PROPOSAL for a whole three person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Any difference this year?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME