Why Nazis Are Just Copies of Democrats
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A new book The Big Lie points out how Nazis were able to justify their practices and policies, merely by copying Democrats in America.
To expel citizens of lands that they wanted, and then enslave the remaining populace, they copied American practices towards Natives Americans, derived from Thomas Jefferson.
To justify targeting of Jews, they just copied the Democrat Laws supporting slavery, merely replacing the word Slave with Jew, derived from Andrew Jackson.
To justify extermination and eugenics, they merely copied the writings, policies and practices of left-wing radical extremist Margaret Sanger.
I guess the book comes out this fall. But it still won't cease the neverending denial of truth from the radical extremist left - probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
- probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
Oh, the irony.
Nazi's are ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES. What does 200 years ago mean AT ALL?? Bloody hell, you win the Idiot of the Internet for today...
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Hey Jewels Baby, did you come up with this all by your lonesome or did you have help from Keeks and Sigs.
You know, this was SO funny that maybe you should think about a career in Hollywood, or maybe a job writing for Jimmy Fallon or that other Jimmy.
And the hits just keep on coming!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A new book The Big Lie points out how Nazis were able to justify their practices and policies, merely by copying Democrats in America.
To expel citizens of lands that they wanted, and then enslave the remaining populace, they copied American practices towards Natives Americans, derived from Thomas Jefferson.
To justify targeting of Jews, they just copied the Democrat Laws supporting slavery, merely replacing the word Slave with Jew, derived from Andrew Jackson.
To justify extermination and eugenics, they merely copied the writings, policies and practices of left-wing radical extremist Margaret Sanger.
I guess the book comes out this fall. But it still won't cease the neverending denial of truth from the radical extremist left - probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
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Quote:How about this truth? Backed by Police Unions, Legislators Stand By Laws to Protect Drivers Who Kill Protesters. The Legislators are all Republican. None are Democrats. If the Nazis had known, they would have copied the Republicans' law.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I guess the book comes out this fall. But it still won't cease the neverending denial of truth from the radical extremist left - probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/14/backed-by-police-unions-legislator
s-standby-laws-to-protect-drivers-who-kill-protesters/
In the aftermath of the murder of activist Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, state legislators who had previously pushed to shield drivers who killed protesters with a moving vehicle are largely standing by their various efforts, arguing that their legislation would not have applied in this weekend’s attack.
Before the killing on Saturday, a swath of bills had been proposed around the country, largely in the South and primarily in response to Black Lives Matter and Dakota Access Pipeline related protests. The bills targeted leftist demonstrators who have increasingly shut down traffic by blocking roads and highways to bring attention to their cause.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:You might look to Germany for the answer: How Germany responds to “blood and soil” politics. What zero tolerance of neo-Nazi ideology looks like.
Originally posted by G:
A question for the rest of us: what is it about the extremes that attract so many? To feel unique? important? to extract some kind of revenge from a "Society" that you feel marginalizes you? And: how do we counter act that impulse to use that avenue as a solution for X? How do yo make people feel important? Or are most of these people so anti-social, so fringe that there's no hope in any solution that comes from "Society?"
www.economist.com/blogs/kaffeeklatsch/2017/08/charlottesville-context
To view the footage of crowds in Charlottesville yelling Nazi slogans and flying Swastika banners is troubling anywhere. But do so from Berlin is particularly so. America in 2017 is not Germany in 1933. But the chants about “blood and soil”, the flaming torches, the Nazi salutes, the thuggery and violence turned on objectors—the whole furious display of armed ethno-nationalism—are nonetheless chillingly evocative. Similarly so is the strenuous ambivalence about it all from Donald Trump and some of his media cheerleaders. It could hardly contrast more vividly with how things are done here: Germany today is a case study in how not to give an inch to the dark politics of “Blut und Boden”.
That begins with the significance placed on remembering where this politics led in the past. Every German school child must visit a concentration camp; as essential a part of the curriculum as learning to write or count. (The American equivalent would be to take children to Andersonville Prison where prisoners were murdered to preserve the right to own slaves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_National_Historic_Site
or Chancellorsville where General Robert E Lee murdered the Unionists to save slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chancellorsville )
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Priceless.
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Quote:+1.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
- probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
Oh, the irony.
Nazi's are ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES. What does 200 years ago mean AT ALL?? Bloody hell, you win the Idiot of the Internet for today...
Along with defending murderous, traitorous Nazi terrorists, this shit-for-brains also wants to show the class how little he knows about history, among the many things he never, ever learned.
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Originally posted by G:
A question for the rest of us: what is it about the extremes that attract so many?
Too much too messed up in this country. It gives them people to hate and blame and says "you are saving this country" so it's ok. They get to feel like heroes, and they get to act out violent tendencies. Win-win for today's impotent male. Some people can't exist without a heroes and villains dichotomy. Blame Disney for that
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
... this shit-for-brains also wants to show the class how little he knows about history
'Zactly...Republicans THEN had much more in common with today's Democrats than anyone. But then, most Americans don't know that. One in three also couldn't tell you that the Earth goes around then sun, let alone which direction.
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Hey, all you liberals, I think you're missing the point.
Why did we destroy Afghanistan? Partly it was because they refused to turn over their guest (ObL) to the USA - although they WOULD have turned him over to the ICC, that wasn't good enough for us. Plus, the Taliban was in charge, and they treated females worse than donkeys. We needed to do something about that. When we were done, Afgahnistan was in far worse shape than when we started, and not only was the Taliban still in control of much of the countryside, ISIS reared its ugly head.
Why did we destroy Iraq? Well, "Saddam had WMD" and posed a major security risk to ... the USA, I guess ... Plus yanno he was a terrible dictator. So it was worth killing somewhere between 200,000- 1,000,000 civilians and leaving the nation partially occupied by ISIS and riven with ethnic hatred just to depose a dictator and get rid of phantom WMD.
Why did we destroy Libya? Well, Qaddafi was a terrible dictator, and despite the fact that the standard of living in Libya was VASTLY superior to any other nation in Africa, Qaddafi had to "massacre his own people" in order to stay in power, which somehow required not only a NATO no-fly zone but eventual bombing of the entire civilian space and arming radicalized jihadists to topple the leader. But we managed to take down Qaddafi and the price was only about 10,000 dead, a nation crawling with jihadist terrorists, and a catastrophic drop in living standards.
Why did we get involved in Ukraine? Well, despite having been elected into power, Yanukovich was a terrible corrupt oligarch - even more terrible and corrupt than the other terrible corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs - and despite the fact that early elections were offered to the protesters, even that wasn't enough for the State-Department and its NGOs and its team of merrie provovateurs, and they took down a democratically elected government and installed their appointed leaders, and now there are 11,000 dead civilians and the country is riven in three.
And what about Assad? Well, he was a terrible anti-democratic dictator, plus he "gassed how own people" (not) and so that justified our funding, training, and arming an assorted crew of old-guard al Qaeda terrorists, new-guard ISIS terrorists from Chechnya to Morocco, an almost invisible minority of pro-democracy forces (all 100 of them), and Kurdish separatists, as well as allowing Israel the random missile-strike into the Golan heights so they can keep their (Syrian) water source. So now there are 300,000+ dead Syrians, millions displaced and cities destroyed.
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You might ask what the point of this diatribe is.
The point is that LIBERALS are just as likely to kill and destroy as CONSERVATIVES. All you have to do is give them a gooey-sounding cause .... "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" .... and they will unthinkingly trample over a million bodies to pursue their just cause.
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Once you have a group of people with an ideology, they stop seeing others as people, and start seeing them in dehumanized form. "Those people" are not longer real people, they're blacks or whites; Democrats or Republicans; or Hutus or Tutsis; Sunnis or Shias; men or women. Once you have dehumanized someone in your mind, it is extremely easy to apply extreme measures to them Off-the-charts partisan Democrats do that, as well as off-the-chart partisan Republicans. So did the Nazis, the Communists, the Maoists, the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot.
SO.
After watching violence being used to promote so many "good causes", I've come to the conclusion, that the only LEGITIMATE use of violence is actual honest self-defense or defense of others. And no, I don't mean "the best defense is a good offense" kind of defense, or a That person might harm somebody some day" defense, I mean defense against immediate physical harm.
If you don't want to slip off into Nazi-land by promoting
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
... this shit-for-brains also wants to show the class how little he knows about history
'Zactly...Republicans THEN had much more in common with today's Democrats than anyone. But then, most Americans don't know that. One in three also couldn't tell you that the Earth goes around then sun, let alone which direction.
Today's Democrats...
Like Hillary Clinton who had this to say about her "friend and mentor", Robert Byrd, former leader of the KKK?
And who was against gay marriage and for the Iraq war?
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No one cares about your Hillary Hard ON, 6ix. Get a life.
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So she didn't say she was mentored and a friend of the former leader of the KKK? She didn't say without a doubt that she was against gay marriage? She didn't voice her unwavering support for the Iraq war?
I'm just wondering if this is the type of Democrat that you consider "today's democrat"?
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Quote:Your facts are wrong, Signym. Your conclusion is wrong.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, all you liberals, I think you're missing the point.
Why did we destroy Afghanistan? Partly it was because they refused to turn over their guest (ObL) to the USA - although they WOULD have turned him over to the ICC, that wasn't good enough for us. Plus, the Taliban was in charge, and they treated females worse than donkeys. We needed to do something about that. When we were done, Afgahnistan was in far worse shape than when we started, and not only was the Taliban still in control of much of the countryside, ISIS reared its ugly head.
Afghanistan could not turn over Osama bin Laden because he was in Pakistan and Bush could not leave Afghanistan until he found bin Laden is the place he was not. Everything wrong with that war follows from Bush being wrong about why he continued to fight it. Bush was doomed to fail because his ambitions, once he could not find bid Laden, grew too big and too vague. Bush didn't send enough troops to turn all the Afghan men into either well behaved gentlemen or corpses.
Quote:Rumsfeld estimated the war would be cheap. Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki was fired when he testified that was flat wrong.
Why did we destroy Iraq? Well, "Saddam had WMD" and posed a major security risk to ... the USA, I guess ... Plus yanno he was a terrible dictator. So it was worth killing somewhere between 200,000- 1,000,000 civilians and leaving the nation partially occupied by ISIS and riven with ethnic hatred just to depose a dictator and get rid of phantom WMD.
www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-iraq/index.html
V.P. Cheney estimated that Halliburton could steal Iraq oil.
Bush estimated that he would be hailed as the Great Liberator of Iraq.
Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush are delusional Republicans. It was no surprise that their war was poorly planned, executed at enormous cost, and failed to live up to their delusions.
www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/03/20/the-underestimated-cos
ts-and-price-tag-of-the-iraq-war
Quote:Having ruled for merely 42 years, Muammar Gaddafi botched the transfer of power to his son. After decades of compromises with Gaddafi, the many tribal factions that he had kept under control had lost patience with Gaddafi's endless promises. The tribes wanted all control for themselves, sharing nothing with any other tribe. They could not agree on how to share Libya, but they could agree on one thing: to kill Gaddafi.
Why did we destroy Libya? Well, Qaddafi was a terrible dictator, and despite the fact that the standard of living in Libya was VASTLY superior to any other nation in Africa, Qaddafi had to "massacre his own people" in order to stay in power, which somehow required not only a NATO no-fly zone but eventual bombing of the entire civilian space and arming radicalized jihadists to topple the leader. But we managed to take down Qaddafi and the price was only about 10,000 dead, a nation crawling with jihadist terrorists, and a catastrophic drop in living standards.
Signym, you didn't get enough facts right about these three countries. No surprise that your three explanations are wrong. But I have to complement your style. You show high confidence in yourself and you are very articulate.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm just wondering if this is the type of Democrat that you consider "today's democrat"?
1. When she first arrived on the political scene attitudes and values were different than today. It's like asking my grandma what she thinks. (She doesn't.)
2. I have never supported Hillary. The fact that she DIDN'T leave Bill says everything about her.
3. There is a vast difference in ideology within parties, picking out one person isn't much of an argument. I am referencing what positions the parties generally stand for. But you know that. One more excuse to knock Hillary makes your day.
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The communists in 1920's Germany were on the brink of taking over that country, until the German Socialists ( NAZIS ) were able to flip sentiment by making Germany and the German people the focus of their movement.
FF to the early 30's, the Nazis were in control, and the commies were outlawed.
Commies ( Antifa ) and NAZIS ( white nationalist ) are the exact same folks. They're ALL on the Left, and no one should be fooled again.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Quote:Not to mention totally wrong.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Priceless.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm just wondering if this is the type of Democrat that you consider "today's democrat"?
1. When she first arrived on the political scene attitudes and values were different than today. It's like asking my grandma what she thinks. (She doesn't.)
2. I have never supported Hillary. The fact that she DIDN'T leave Bill says everything about her.
3. There is a vast difference in ideology within parties, picking out one person isn't much of an argument. I am referencing what positions the parties generally stand for. But you know that. One more excuse to knock Hillary makes your day.
I don't need an excuse. She did it to herself.
Don't pretend like you didn't vote for her.
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Quote:The other option was Trump. Now we have emboldened Nazi terrorists murdering people, as they praise Trump like a god. The world sees him as an idiot and a laughingstock.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't need an excuse. She did it to herself.
Don't pretend like you didn't vote for her.
Charlottesville wouldn't even have happened.
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Quote:Priceless.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:Quote:
Not to mention totally wrong.
Oh, please enlighten us, wise fool.
Which one of those many facts and truths do you dispute?
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Quote:Wile reading that, I was dumbfounded as to why they don't just protest on railroad tracks. Much more substantial opponent, same Right-Of-Way argument.
Originally posted by second:Quote:How about this truth? Backed by Police Unions, Legislators Stand By Laws to Protect Drivers Who Kill Protesters. The Legislators are all Republican. None are Democrats. If the Nazis had known, they would have copied the Republicans' law.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I guess the book comes out this fall. But it still won't cease the neverending denial of truth from the radical extremist left - probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/14/backed-by-police-unions-legislator
s-standby-laws-to-protect-drivers-who-kill-protesters/
In the aftermath of the murder of activist Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, state legislators who had previously pushed to shield drivers who killed protesters with a moving vehicle are largely standing by their various efforts, arguing that their legislation would not have applied in this weekend’s attack.
Before the killing on Saturday, a swath of bills had been proposed around the country, largely in the South and primarily in response to Black Lives Matter and Dakota Access Pipeline related protests. The bills targeted leftist demonstrators who have increasingly shut down traffic by blocking roads and highways to bring attention to their cause.
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REAVER, It never ceases to amaze me how some people can see the speck in their brother's eye, and not the log in their own. I hate to keep hounding on this, but to say that you want to eradicate people by any means possible .... how is that different from Hitler, really?
Because in YOUR mind, if the cause is just enough, no action is too extreme?
Well, those causes are just fill-in-the-blanks. Today it's anti-fascism (and the irony is just so delicious, isn't it?), tomorrow it's "liberty", the next day it's "Russia", and the day after that it's "prosperity", or "order", or "safety", or even "global warming".
It's the old ends-means argument. Quite often, the result of violent "means" is the exact opposite "end" of what was intended.
So, if its so unsuccessful in achieving the stated goal, why do people still use violence?
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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SECOND -
You got it all wrong, again.
I know why "we" destroyed all of those nations, and it wasn't "us" that made those decisions. For various reasons (petrodollar, pipelineistan, encircling Russia) TPTB (USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia) decided that certain leaders just had to go.
My question was different: How did TPTB get what were formerly antiwar liberals to go along with what were essentially unjustified wars of aggression, which killed quite possibly over a million people?
Well, it was simple- they just poured some kind of liberal-syrup over it ... tyrant ... massacred his own people ... gassed his own people ... corrupt ... backward ... misogynist ... and liberals swallowed it whole.
And worse, liberals .... yes, you, among others ... never even looked back at the carnage that they had been gulled into supporting, never gave all those dead, wounded, traumatized, and displaced enough of a thought to ask themselves (yourself) How did I get it so wrong? Who fooled me? How can I not be fooled again?
So I guarantee you, you will be just as ready to murder for the NEXT cause that comes along. Spin the dial! Russia! North Korea! Iran! China! Neo-nazis! Traitors! Panama! Venezuela! Brazil!
Round and round ...
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:The book title refers to liberal's Big Lie about how the Nazis are copies of something other than themselves.
Originally posted by G:Quote:Good title for that "book."
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A new book The Big Lie points out how Nazis were able to justify their practices and policies, merely by copying Democrats in America.
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This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it. 
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Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
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There aren't any Nazis anymore.
There might be some idiot white people with a chip on their shoulder that are just looking for any excuse to hurt people because they are BAD PEOPLE that nobody here supports, but there are no fucking Nazis.
The only people on this board that show intolerance and hate on a daily basis in almost every single post are you and reaverfan.
Take a take a look in the mirror. You'll see the face of everything you hate about humanity staring right back at you.
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Quote:Really? What do you call people who march around with Nazi flags and do Nazi salutes, and terrorize and murder people who aren't like them? Patriots?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There aren't any Nazis anymore.
You piece of shit.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seriously. You LIKE people who march around with torches and swastikas and terrorize and murder people? WTF?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
I don't think among the sane people from either side of the spectrum that the irony of both of your statements is lost...
Everytime you both throw that word Nazi around to people who aren't actually Nazis you're not only diminishing the meaning of the word, but you're insulting the survivors, their families and everybody who died in actual concentration camps at the hands of actual Nazis.
Grow the fuck up.
EDITED TO ADD:
BTW... I quoted your deleted post to Wish that highlights your lack of reading comprehension. If anybody is curious why reaverfan posted twice, it wasn't an accidental double post. (See above)
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Really? What do you call people who march around with Nazi flags and do Nazi salutes, and terrorize and murder people who aren't like them? Patriots?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There aren't any Nazis anymore.
No. I call them murderers and scum and I hope they get what's coming to them.
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You piece of shit.
Fuck you clown.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
Under Yanukovich/ Qaddafi/ Assad must go! Obama supported this
Of course, there are no videos of drone strikes because those are secret. Just because it's far away and someone else doesn't make it any less tragic. War is hell, but who started and funded it?
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:you shouldn't post facts about RF to expose retardedness. Using truth versus Libtards is just not fair - they can't comprehend facts or truth.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:I don't think among the sane people from either side of the spectrum that the irony of both of your statements is lost...
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Seriously. You LIKE people who march around with torches and swastikas and terrorize and murder people? WTF?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
Everytime you both throw that word Nazi around to people who aren't actually Nazis you're not only diminishing the meaning of the word, but you're insulting the survivors, their families and everybody who died in actual concentration camps at the hands of actual Nazis.
Grow the fuck up.
EDITED TO ADD:
BTW... I quoted your deleted post to Wish that highlights your lack of reading comprehension. If anybody is curious why reaverfan posted twice, it wasn't an accidental double post. (See above)
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Quote:here's hoping those get through her blinders. Not betting on it though.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Under Yanukovich/ Qaddafi/ Assad must go! Obama supported this
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
Of course, there are no videos of drone strikes because those are secret. Just because it's far away and someone else doesn't make it any less tragic. War is hell, but who started and funded it?
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Quote:I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it.
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Originally posted by G:
A question for the rest of us: what is it about the extremes that attract so many? To feel unique? important? to extract some kind of revenge from a "Society" that you feel marginalizes you? And: how do we counter act that impulse to use that avenue as a solution for X? How do yo make people feel important? Or are most of these people so anti-social, so fringe that there's no hope in any solution that comes from "Society?"
You'd know more about it than me. I'm a lone wolf in every aspect of my life. I don't have cable TV so I don't even watch any news anymore. No matter who's talking from whatever side it's all a bunch of lies anyhow.
You and me... at the end of the day we don't know shit about shit. At this stage in my life I'm thinking we're better off for it.
I'd say the extremes attract so many people for the exact opposite reason you stated. It's not to be unique. It's to be a part of a group of like minded people that echo your own beliefs. Safety in numbers and all that crap.
What's so unique about being an unwavering mindless Trump supporter, or a brainwashed SJW feminist type on the other side... both of which insulate themselves from any thoughts that differ from their own and hurl the exact same insults at the other side until the words don't even mean anything anymore?
The world isn't laughing at us because of Trump. For some I'm sure that's not helping matters any, but it's not that.
They're laughing at us because we've become a bunch of whiny little babies who have the nerve to cry about oppression every single day when in half of the the world meanwhile there is some truly oppressively heinous and evil shit happening to people in their relatively short and absolutely miserable lives.
We've become a nation full of fucking crybabies that cry when we don't get shit we don't deserve, while people on the other side of the planet are getting their heads cut off because they dared to have their own opinion about something.
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This is what I heard from Michael Moore, that while the MSM is focusing on the latest tweet from the Pumpkin POTUS, his administration is quietly dismantling rules and regs throughout the federal government. Effectively changing the landscape for a democratic society.
This is the reason why his administration hasn't filled the various government posts and has diminished the DOJ as well. It is the dismantling of our country as we know it.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:How about this truth? Backed by Police Unions, Legislators Stand By Laws to Protect Drivers Who Kill Protesters. The Legislators are all Republican. None are Democrats. If the Nazis had known, they would have copied the Republicans' law.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I guess the book comes out this fall. But it still won't cease the neverending denial of truth from the radical extremist left - probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/14/backed-by-police-unions-legislator
s-standby-laws-to-protect-drivers-who-kill-protesters/
In the aftermath of the murder of activist Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, state legislators who had previously pushed to shield drivers who killed protesters with a moving vehicle are largely standing by their various efforts, arguing that their legislation would not have applied in this weekend’s attack.
Before the killing on Saturday, a swath of bills had been proposed around the country, largely in the South and primarily in response to Black Lives Matter and Dakota Access Pipeline related protests. The bills targeted leftist demonstrators who have increasingly shut down traffic by blocking roads and highways to bring attention to their cause.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it.
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Quote:Why are Nazis always so poorly educated, and get everything wrong? Illiterate AND terrorists. Wow.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your facts are wrong, Signym. Your conclusion is wrong.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, all you liberals, I think you're missing the point.
Why did we destroy Afghanistan? Partly it was because they refused to turn over their guest (ObL) to the USA - although they WOULD have turned him over to the ICC, that wasn't good enough for us. Plus, the Taliban was in charge, and they treated females worse than donkeys. We needed to do something about that. When we were done, Afgahnistan was in far worse shape than when we started, and not only was the Taliban still in control of much of the countryside, ISIS reared its ugly head.
Afghanistan could not turn over Osama bin Laden because he was in Pakistan and Bush could not leave Afghanistan until he found bin Laden is the place he was not. Everything wrong with that war follows from Bush being wrong about why he continued to fight it. Bush was doomed to fail because his ambitions, once he could not find bid Laden, grew too big and too vague. Bush didn't send enough troops to turn all the Afghan men into either well behaved gentlemen or corpses.Quote:Rumsfeld estimated the war would be cheap. Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki was fired when he testified that was flat wrong.
Why did we destroy Iraq? Well, "Saddam had WMD" and posed a major security risk to ... the USA, I guess ... Plus yanno he was a terrible dictator. So it was worth killing somewhere between 200,000- 1,000,000 civilians and leaving the nation partially occupied by ISIS and riven with ethnic hatred just to depose a dictator and get rid of phantom WMD.
www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-iraq/index.html
V.P. Cheney estimated that Halliburton could steal Iraq oil.
Bush estimated that he would be hailed as the Great Liberator of Iraq.
Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush are delusional Republicans. It was no surprise that their war was poorly planned, executed at enormous cost, and failed to live up to their delusions.
www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/03/20/the-underestimated-cos
ts-and-price-tag-of-the-iraq-warQuote:Having ruled for merely 42 years, Muammar Gaddafi botched the transfer of power to his son. After decades of compromises with Gaddafi, the many tribal factions that he had kept under control had lost patience with Gaddafi's endless promises. The tribes wanted all control for themselves, sharing nothing with any other tribe. They could not agree on how to share Libya, but they could agree on one thing: to kill Gaddafi.
Why did we destroy Libya? Well, Qaddafi was a terrible dictator, and despite the fact that the standard of living in Libya was VASTLY superior to any other nation in Africa, Qaddafi had to "massacre his own people" in order to stay in power, which somehow required not only a NATO no-fly zone but eventual bombing of the entire civilian space and arming radicalized jihadists to topple the leader. But we managed to take down Qaddafi and the price was only about 10,000 dead, a nation crawling with jihadist terrorists, and a catastrophic drop in living standards.
Signym, you didn't get enough facts right about these three countries. No surprise that your three explanations are wrong. But I have to complement your style. You show high confidence in yourself and you are very articulate.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Speak for yourself, Nazi boy. I know plenty.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You and me... at the end of the day we don't know shit about shit.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Speak for yourself, Nazi boy. I know plenty.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You and me... at the end of the day we don't know shit about shit.
You're just a whiny little cunt and a troll.
The fact that you keep calling me a Nazi shows how little you know about the world and how insulting your very existence is to people who have suffered real oppression at the hands of true evil.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
Hey SGG.
I consider you one of the rational people on this board.
I would like you to REALLY read these two threads that are being heavily posted on and think for yourself here, rather than jumping on board the Wishy/Reaverfan hate train.
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Quote:Yeah, do that. Watch them consistently defend Nazi terrorists.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Hey SGG.
I consider you one of the rational people on this board.
I would like you to REALLY read these two threads that are being heavily posted on and think for yourself here, rather than jumping on board the Wishy/Reaverfan hate train.
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This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it. - WISHY
Ok, so can we generalize that to: It's bad if ANYONE drives a car into a group pf people, whether they are Nazis, radical jihadists, militant Hindus, or anyone else? If fact, can we make that an even MORE general statement, that killing or injuring anyone for a political cause is bad???
Yup, I think we can.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:All 5 points are proof they are Liberals.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Why are Nazis always so poorly educated, and get everything wrong? Illiterate AND terrorists. Wow.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your facts are wrong, Signym. Your conclusion is wrong.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, all you liberals, I think you're missing the point.
Why did we destroy Afghanistan? Partly it was because they refused to turn over their guest (ObL) to the USA - although they WOULD have turned him over to the ICC, that wasn't good enough for us. Plus, the Taliban was in charge, and they treated females worse than donkeys. We needed to do something about that. When we were done, Afgahnistan was in far worse shape than when we started, and not only was the Taliban still in control of much of the countryside, ISIS reared its ugly head.
Afghanistan could not turn over Osama bin Laden because he was in Pakistan and Bush could not leave Afghanistan until he found bin Laden is the place he was not. Everything wrong with that war follows from Bush being wrong about why he continued to fight it. Bush was doomed to fail because his ambitions, once he could not find bid Laden, grew too big and too vague. Bush didn't send enough troops to turn all the Afghan men into either well behaved gentlemen or corpses.Quote:Rumsfeld estimated the war would be cheap. Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki was fired when he testified that was flat wrong.
Why did we destroy Iraq? Well, "Saddam had WMD" and posed a major security risk to ... the USA, I guess ... Plus yanno he was a terrible dictator. So it was worth killing somewhere between 200,000- 1,000,000 civilians and leaving the nation partially occupied by ISIS and riven with ethnic hatred just to depose a dictator and get rid of phantom WMD.
www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-iraq/index.html
V.P. Cheney estimated that Halliburton could steal Iraq oil.
Bush estimated that he would be hailed as the Great Liberator of Iraq.
Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush are delusional Republicans. It was no surprise that their war was poorly planned, executed at enormous cost, and failed to live up to their delusions.
www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/03/20/the-underestimated-cos
ts-and-price-tag-of-the-iraq-warQuote:Having ruled for merely 42 years, Muammar Gaddafi botched the transfer of power to his son. After decades of compromises with Gaddafi, the many tribal factions that he had kept under control had lost patience with Gaddafi's endless promises. The tribes wanted all control for themselves, sharing nothing with any other tribe. They could not agree on how to share Libya, but they could agree on one thing: to kill Gaddafi.
Why did we destroy Libya? Well, Qaddafi was a terrible dictator, and despite the fact that the standard of living in Libya was VASTLY superior to any other nation in Africa, Qaddafi had to "massacre his own people" in order to stay in power, which somehow required not only a NATO no-fly zone but eventual bombing of the entire civilian space and arming radicalized jihadists to topple the leader. But we managed to take down Qaddafi and the price was only about 10,000 dead, a nation crawling with jihadist terrorists, and a catastrophic drop in living standards.
Signym, you didn't get enough facts right about these three countries. No surprise that your three explanations are wrong. But I have to complement your style. You show high confidence in yourself and you are very articulate.
Nazis - check.
poorly educated - check.
get everything wrong - check.
Illiterate - check.
terrorists - check.
Maybe you accidentally swerved into truth and fact, but you still managed it this time.
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Quote:Then why is there not more universal outrage?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Ok, so can we generalize that to: It's bad if ANYONE drives a car into a group pf people, whether they are Nazis, radical jihadists, militant Hindus, or anyone else? If fact, can we make that an even MORE general statement, that killing or injuring anyone for a political cause is bad???
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it. - WISHY
Yup, I think we can.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it.
https://breggin.com
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Quote:I am sorry that I had that linky address incorrect. Fixed it now.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it.
https://breggin.com
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I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousa
nds-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousa
nds-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
The St. Louis is a tragic story, but in 1939 FDR's administration could not have possibly foreseen or even imagined the scope of the mass exterminations that would take place years later. Eisenhower himself was on hand in 1945 when American troops stumbled upon Ohrdruf and Birkenau death camps and he couldn't believe or comprehend what he saw there.
I remember FDR and his Democrats as the Party that supported Churchill during England's darkest days when they alone stood against Hitler. The Republicans were isolationists. They argued against Lend/Lease and wanted no part of the fight against Germany.
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Quote:methinks you rememberfy incorrectly.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:The St. Louis is a tragic story, but in 1939 FDR's administration could not have possibly foreseen or even imagined the scope of the mass exterminations that would take place years later. Eisenhower himself was on hand in 1945 when American troops stumbled upon Ohrdruf and Birkenau death camps and he couldn't believe or comprehend what he saw there.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousa
nds-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
I remember FDR and his Democrats as the Party that supported Churchill during England's darkest days when they alone stood against Hitler. The Republicans were isolationists. They argued against Lend/Lease and wanted no part of the fight against Germany.
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
Crystal Night had already occurred in November 1938, and was no big secret. The Times of London reported it the next day.
The Isolationist and Nonintervention policies codified in Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, 1937, and 1939 were all passed with Democrap majorities in both houses of Congress, and Supermajorities in both houses from 1935 - 1938.
The darkhorse candidate Wilkie in 1940 for GOP did end up an Isolationist but Republicans considered that to be a negative in the race.
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Quote:A number of books were reviewed on the subject upon which JewelStaiteFan got everything backwards and upside down from what actually happened:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
methinks you rememberfy incorrectly.
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
Crystal Night had already occurred in November 1938, and was no big secret. The Times of London reported it the next day.
On Capitol Hill, staunchly conservative Republicans — prominent among them Ohio Sen. Robert Taft and North Dakota Sen. Gerald Nye and several Northeasterners, including FDR’s Hyde Park, New York, home district’s Republican congressman, Hamilton Fish III — along with a smaller number of anti-foreign Democrats like powerful North Carolina Sen. Robert Reynolds, used their obstructive legislative power much like today’s Republicans to kneecap the administration in its efforts to arm the British and Chinese nationalists (at war with the Japanese) and grow the paltry American military.
They at least were not Fascists. Olson also describes the machinations of more odious anti-British Hitler sympathizers and anti-Semites such as Ambassador Kennedy, a young architect named Philip Johnson, and Hitler’s favorite U.S. industrialist, Henry Ford, who shared Anne Morrow Lindbergh’s belief, articulated in her No. 1–bestselling testament The Wave of the Future: A Confession of Faith, that the various violent movements crushing human freedom, above all Hitler’s Nazism, were just “scum on the surface of the wave” as civilization moved into a new “highly scientific, mechanized, and material era.” I guess they considered the already well-known existence of the Nazi concentration camps just part of adjusting to the new age dawning upon the world.
However nauseating in retrospect, millions shared their views. Bankrolled by Gen. Robert E. Wood, chairman of retail giant Sears, Roebuck; editorially backed by the Hearst chain of newspapers, publisher Robert McCormick’s Chicago Tribune, and New York Daily News publisher Joseph Patterson; and given voice by avowed anti-Semite radio priest Father Charles Coughlin and many other leading media figures, the anti-intervention-movement rallies attracted crowds in the tens of thousands, often to hear Lindbergh speak, sometimes to call for FDR’s impeachment and Lindbergh to take power. Many in the movement were thoughtfully opposed to the war, but their numbers included Communist Party members toeing the Stalinist line, German Bund Hitlerites, and unabashed Jew haters.
For all his cynical willingness to manipulate everyone around him, FDR never wavered in his commitment to freedom, democratic ideals, and his New Deal social programs. He would bend the truth, dissimulate his thinking behind a bright smile and personal charm, send subordinates to take actions and deny he did, and even risk impeachment to win reelection and provide “all aid short of war” to the Allies. For all his public denials that American boys would ever fight in foreign wars, he was certain that war with Hitler (and eventually Japan) was inevitable. He preferred that until then Britain and the Red Army have American aid to hold off the Axis and that when the time came to fight his country’s military be ready.
www.thedailybeast.com/the-revolution-of-1940-americas-fight-over-enter
ing-world-war-two
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
That's insane.
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
A number of books were reviewed on the subject upon which JewelStaiteFan got everything backwards and upside down from what actually happened.
You're right. His FDR fantasies are nothing but demented lies.
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Quote:There is a reason why JewelStaiteFan got it all wrong: FDR deliberately mislead a tremendous number of Republicans who, both out of their minds and out of stupidity, had to be tricked into doing what needed doing. After 77 years, Republicans still don't understand the trick.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
That's insane.Quote:
Originally posted by second:
A number of books were reviewed on the subject upon which JewelStaiteFan got everything backwards and upside down from what actually happened.
You're right. His FDR fantasies are nothing but demented lies.
The day before the vote in 1940, the Republican Party ran an ominous radio commercial addressed to the mothers of America. A chilling voice warned, “When your boy is dying on some battlefield in Europe and he’s crying out ‘Mother! Mother!’—don’t blame Franklin D. Roosevelt because he sent your boy to war — blame YOURSELF, because YOU sent Franklin D. Roosevelt back to the White House!”
FDR had to answer such attacks. He may have believed war with Germany was inevitable, but he felt forced to declare in a nationally broadcast campaign speech just days before the vote, “Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars ... We will not send our Army, Navy, or air forces to fight in foreign lands.”
We know the election result, but the final days of the campaign played out like a political Super Bowl where the outcome wasn’t clear until the very last seconds of play. Even the preternaturally confident FDR thought he had lost the election as he read the first vote counts coming to him at his home in Hyde Park.
Such pronouncements that he would not intervene made it impossible for the third-term president to go to war—except through subterfuge, which he did—without an actual attack on America. One can speculate that had he been freer to pursue the election’s foreign-policy mandate, the U.S. might have entered the war several months before Pearl Harbor. An earlier buildup of the nation’s armed forces would surely have saved uncountable but likely many lives.
These books help us reflect on today’s deep national divisions, as our messy republican democracy lurches from crisis to crisis and minority viewpoints, still largely Republican, game the system to block worthy legislation and needed government action, even when most citizens believe they are in the nation’s interest.
On the afternoon of December 7, 1941, Republican Senator Nye addressed several thousand rowdy people at a Pittsburgh America First rally. “Whose war is this?” he shouted out. “Roosevelt’s!” roared back the crowd. A short while later they knew that war was America’s.
www.thedailybeast.com/the-revolution-of-1940-americas-fight-over-enter
ing-world-war-two
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
Hey SGG.
I consider you one of the rational people on this board.
I would like you to REALLY read these two threads that are being heavily posted on and think for yourself here, rather than jumping on board the Wishy/Reaverfan hate train.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
No worries. Take your time.
I should admit that my language has gotten a little "colorful" over the last few days. Let's just say that I'm feeling a little "triggered".
Wolf Blitzer isn't helping things.
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We're not the haters here. The Nazis are.
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There aren't any Nazis here.
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Steve Bannon, Controversial Aide to Trump, Leaves White House Staff
https://www.wsj.com/articles/steve-bannon-leaves-white-house-staff-150
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Quote:How is it that every single fact that is listed here is not disputed, yet are claimed to be incorrect via distractions, rationalizations, red herrings?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:methinks you rememberfy incorrectly.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:The St. Louis is a tragic story, but in 1939 FDR's administration could not have possibly foreseen or even imagined the scope of the mass exterminations that would take place years later. Eisenhower himself was on hand in 1945 when American troops stumbled upon Ohrdruf and Birkenau death camps and he couldn't believe or comprehend what he saw there.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousa
nds-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
I remember FDR and his Democrats as the Party that supported Churchill during England's darkest days when they alone stood against Hitler. The Republicans were isolationists. They argued against Lend/Lease and wanted no part of the fight against Germany.
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
Crystal Night had already occurred in November 1938, and was no big secret. The Times of London reported it the next day.
The Isolationist and Nonintervention policies codified in Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, 1937, and 1939 were all passed with Democrap majorities in both houses of Congress, and Supermajorities in both houses from 1935 - 1938.
The darkhorse candidate Wilkie in 1940 for GOP did end up an Isolationist but Republicans considered that to be a negative in the race.
If a Supermajority "supported" something, it would have been enacted.
Take your Brain Housing Group out of neutral.
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Ok, before I answer, let me tell you:
I'm a die-hard Democrat.
I believe in democracy.
Born and raised in the good ol' USA.
My president was JFK (10 when they killed him)
Protested the Vietnam War
Believe in the Death Penalty (especially when it comes to kids and police killed in cold blood)
Yes, believe there are those that cheat the system (from the top to the bottom and back again)
Vets should get a house, health care for free, especially if they lost a limb
Free enterprise should be allowed to run it's course
College should not be for profit
Universal Health Care
I hate bullies
There's nothing wrong with a little cursing every now and then, helps relieve stress
I've been known to use "colorful" language myself. At times, it's to blow off steam, other times it's to make a point. I like to think of myself as a rational human being, but every once in a while I lose my shit.
Sometimes I like to fuck with people (habit of mine with my old friends) but we stay friends at the end. There are times when it's appropriate, and others when it's not. I try not to hold grudges when someone loses their shit, as long as it's done honestly. I think that guys tend to understand that more than women, I don't know why that is.
I despise when people try to insult my intelligence. If you call me out on a particular topic and you make a valid point, I will say so. If you lose your shit and curse me out, then later come back and say "I had a bug up my ass, let's start over." I respect that. We are all here because of the freedom within Firefly. Being ourselves and allowed to speak our minds without fear. Fuck!, everyone has the right to speak their minds and believe what they believe. Sometimes JSF will call me a Libtard (his favorite word), but I know that's his way of saying "you're wrong you asshole" and I'll call him a dickhead and we'll argue our points and views.
I have to admit, sometimes I get steamed, but when I think clearly and calmly, I'll say..."Hell with it, he's just speaking his mind. He's wrong! But he's speaking his mind." I may not respond for a few days, but, in the end, we all have the right to speak our minds. Me, I try not to insult you in the process, but shit happens. Bottom line, we all get angry and lose our shit. But I don't care for the insults and lack of respect for my beliefs and contributions. You could call me a dickhead, sure. I've even gotten use to being called a drunk (thanks Keeks and Sig), I just laugh it off and make some reference to something that comes to my mind in that instant. Helps me to cope with the idiocy of the moment.
But there are times when I respond and it's laser sharp on point. And times when I'm just letting off some steam. I will, at times, not get angry if you go tell me to go fuck myself, or go to hell, I know that is your way of letting off steam. But please know that I think for myself. If I see something that you, or anyone for that matter, makes sense to me...I will go along with it or comment on it in some way. But know this, it is my decision and mine alone. You know this to be true because many times we have agreed....well, maybe not many times, but a few.
So Six, speak your mind. So will I. If we agree, fine, if not, that's fine too.
Just be honest and we'll be cool.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
No worries. Take your time.
I should admit that my language has gotten a little "colorful" over the last few days. Let's just say that I'm feeling a little "triggered".
Wolf Blitzer isn't helping things.
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I don't know, but I look at these things this way: You can't go to extreme either way...too conservative or too liberal. Our country is better served when our elected leaders are moderate, either to the left or to the right. It just seems to work that way.
For example: Senator Bob Corker (R) Tennessee
Quote:
"He also recently has not demonstrated that he understands the character of this nation. He has not demonstrated that he understands what has made this nation great and what it is today."
Very true, he doesn't have a clue about the good people of this country.
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544230949/gop-senator-trump-lacking-stab
ility-competence-to-succeed
SGG
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Steve Bannon, Controversial Aide to Trump, Leaves White House Staff
https://www.wsj.com/articles/steve-bannon-leaves-white-house-staff-150
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Geezus. Is anyone left? I think I'll just head on over and let myself in, check the fridge for leftovers, maybe grill some Trump steaks and catch some Netflix. Later, hang out with that Miller stooge, get drunk on Trump Scotch and punch his lights out and then pass out in the foyer. Hey - it's my house!
On a serious note... I keep thinking that presidents almost always seem to bend to the will of the people. No how many bad ideas Trump serves up or bad people he hires, the people let him know and eventually he capitulates.
Gorka freak and Miller putz next.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ok, before I answer, let me tell you:
I'm a die-hard Democrat.
I believe in democracy.
Born and raised in the good ol' USA.
My president was JFK (10 when they killed him)
Protested the Vietnam War
Believe in the Death Penalty (especially when it comes to kids and police killed in cold blood)
Yes, believe there are those that cheat the system (from the top to the bottom and back again)
Vets should get a house, health care for free, especially if they lost a limb
Free enterprise should be allowed to run it's course
College should not be for profit
Universal Health Care
I hate bullies
There's nothing wrong with a little cursing every now and then, helps relieve stress
I've been known to use "colorful" language myself. At times, it's to blow off steam, other times it's to make a point. I like to think of myself as a rational human being, but every once in a while I lose my shit.
Sometimes I like to fuck with people (habit of mine with my old friends) but we stay friends at the end. There are times when it's appropriate, and others when it's not. I try not to hold grudges when someone loses their shit, as long as it's done honestly. I think that guys tend to understand that more than women, I don't know why that is.
I despise when people try to insult my intelligence. If you call me out on a particular topic and you make a valid point, I will say so. If you lose your shit and curse me out, then later come back and say "I had a bug up my ass, let's start over." I respect that. We are all here because of the freedom within Firefly. Being ourselves and allowed to speak our minds without fear. Fuck!, everyone has the right to speak their minds and believe what they believe. Sometimes JSF will call me a Libtard (his favorite word), but I know that's his way of saying "you're wrong you asshole" and I'll call him a dickhead and we'll argue our points and views.
I have to admit, sometimes I get steamed, but when I think clearly and calmly, I'll say..."Hell with it, he's just speaking his mind. He's wrong! But he's speaking his mind." I may not respond for a few days, but, in the end, we all have the right to speak our minds. Me, I try not to insult you in the process, but shit happens. Bottom line, we all get angry and lose our shit. But I don't care for the insults and lack of respect for my beliefs and contributions. You could call me a dickhead, sure. I've even gotten use to being called a drunk (thanks Keeks and Sig), I just laugh it off and make some reference to something that comes to my mind in that instant. Helps me to cope with the idiocy of the moment.
But there are times when I respond and it's laser sharp on point. And times when I'm just letting off some steam. I will, at times, not get angry if you go tell me to go fuck myself, or go to hell, I know that is your way of letting off steam. But please know that I think for myself. If I see something that you, or anyone for that matter, makes sense to me...I will go along with it or comment on it in some way. But know this, it is my decision and mine alone. You know this to be true because many times we have agreed....well, maybe not many times, but a few.
So Six, speak your mind. So will I. If we agree, fine, if not, that's fine too.
Just be honest and we'll be cool.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
No worries. Take your time.
I should admit that my language has gotten a little "colorful" over the last few days. Let's just say that I'm feeling a little "triggered".
Wolf Blitzer isn't helping things.
We're pretty much the same on your top li
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Ok, so can we generalize that to: It's bad if ANYONE drives a car into a group pf people, whether they are Nazis, radical jihadists, militant Hindus, or anyone else? If fact, can we make that an even MORE general statement, that killing or injuring anyone for a political cause is bad??? Yup, I think we can. - SIGNY
I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress. - JSF
Who? Does this have anything to do with Charlottesville and James Fields? Because I haven't seen any suggestion that he was on drugs, or given drugs, by a doctor; just a random quote from a high school teacher (a long time ago!) that he might be "schizophrenic".
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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To go back to the original topic, this is from a book by Dinesh D'Souza. Here is part of that book.
Don't feel compelled to read the whole thing; I'm just quoting it here for the sake of accuracy but I don't think it's a worthwhile read
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Contrary to what we learn from progressives in education and the media, the history of the Democratic Party well into the twentieth century is a virtually uninterrupted history of thievery, corruption and bigotry. American history is the story of Democratic malefactors and Republican heroes. Yes, it’s true.
I begin with Andrew Jackson. He—not Thomas Jefferson or FDR—is the true founder of the modern Democratic Party. Progressives today are divided about Jackson. Some, like historian Sean Wilentz, admire him, while others want to remove him from the $20 bill because he was a slaveowner and a vicious Indian fighter. He was, in this view, a very bad American.
I support the debunking of Jackson, but not because he was a bad American—rather, because he was a typical crooked Democrat. Jackson established the Democratic Party as the party of theft. He mastered the art of stealing land from the Indians and then selling it at giveaway prices to white settlers. Jackson’s expectation was that those people would support him politically, as indeed they did. Jackson was indeed a “man of the people,” but his popularity was that of a gang leader who distributes his spoils in exchange for loyalty on the part of those who benefit from his crimes.
Jackson also figured out how to benefit personally from his land-stealing. Like Hillary Clinton, he started out broke and then became one of the richest people in the country. How? Jackson and his partners and cronies made early bids on Indian land, sometimes even before the Indians had been evacuated from that land. They acquired the land for little or nothing and later sold it for a handsome profit. Remarkably, the roots of the Clinton Foundation can be found in the land-stealing policies of America’s first Democratic president.
The Democrats were also the party of slavery, and the slave-owning mentality continues to shape the policies of Democratic leaders today. The point isn’t that the Democrats invented slavery which is an ancient institution that far predates America. Rather, Democrats like Senator John C. Calhoun invented a new justification for slavery, slavery as a “positive good.” For the first time in history, Democrats insisted that slavery wasn’t just beneficial for masters; they said it was also good for the slaves.
Today progressive pundits attempt to conceal Democratic complicity in slavery by blaming slavery on the “South.” These people have spun a whole history that portrays the slavery battle as one between the anti-slavery North and the pro-slavery South. This of course benefits Democrats today, because today the Democratic Party’s main strength is in the north and the Republican Party’s main strength is in the South.
But the slavery battle was not mainly a North-South issue. It was actually a battle between the pro-slavery Democrats and the anti-slavery Republicans. How can I make such an outrageous statement? Let’s begin by recalling that northern Democrats like Stephen Douglas protected slavery, while most southerners didn’t own slaves. (Three fourths of those who fought in the civil war on the confederate side had no slaves and weren’t fighting to protect slavery.)
Republicans, meanwhile, to one degree or another, all opposed slavery. The party itself was founded to stop slavery. Of course there were a range of views among Republicans, from abolitionists who sought immediately to end slavery to Republicans like Abraham Lincoln who recognized that this was both constitutionally and politically impossible and focused on arresting slavery’s extension into the new territories. This was the main platform on which Lincoln won the 1860 election.
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Quote:Libtards are as Libtards do.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Ok, before I answer, let me tell you:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:No worries. Take your time.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
I should admit that my language has gotten a little "colorful" over the last few days. Let's just say that I'm feeling a little "triggered".
Wolf Blitzer isn't helping things.
I'm a die-hard Democrat.
I believe in democracy.
Born and raised in the good ol' USA.
My president was JFK (10 when they killed him)
Protested the Vietnam War
Believe in the Death Penalty (especially when it comes to kids and police killed in cold blood)
Yes, believe there are those that cheat the system (from the top to the bottom and back again)
Vets should get a house, health care for free, especially if they lost a limb
Free enterprise should be allowed to run it's course
College should not be for profit
Universal Health Care
I hate bullies
There's nothing wrong with a little cursing every now and then, helps relieve stress
I've been known to use "colorful" language myself. At times, it's to blow off steam, other times it's to make a point. I like to think of myself as a rational human being, but every once in a while I lose my shit.
Sometimes I like to fuck with people (habit of mine with my old friends) but we stay friends at the end. There are times when it's appropriate, and others when it's not. I try not to hold grudges when someone loses their shit, as long as it's done honestly. I think that guys tend to understand that more than women, I don't know why that is.
I despise when people try to insult my intelligence. If you call me out on a particular topic and you make a valid point, I will say so. If you lose your shit and curse me out, then later come back and say "I had a bug up my ass, let's start over." I respect that. We are all here because of the freedom within Firefly. Being ourselves and allowed to speak our minds without fear. Fuck!, everyone has the right to speak their minds and believe what they believe. Sometimes JSF will call me a Libtard (his favorite word), but I know that's his way of saying "you're wrong you asshole" and I'll call him a dickhead and we'll argue our points and views.
I have to admit, sometimes I get steamed, but when I think clearly and calmly, I'll say..."Hell with it, he's just speaking his mind. He's wrong! But he's speaking his mind." I may not respond for a few days, but, in the end, we all have the right to speak our minds. Me, I try not to insult you in the process, but shit happens. Bottom line, we all get angry and lose our shit. But I don't care for the insults and lack of respect for my beliefs and contributions. You could call me a dickhead, sure. I've even gotten use to being called a drunk (thanks Keeks and Sig), I just laugh it off and make some reference to something that comes to my mind in that instant. Helps me to cope with the idiocy of the moment.
But there are times when I respond and it's laser sharp on point. And times when I'm just letting off some steam. I will, at times, not get angry if you go tell me to go fuck myself, or go to hell, I know that is your way of letting off steam. But please know that I think for myself. If I see something that you, or anyone for that matter, makes sense to me...I will go along with it or comment on it in some way. But know this, it is my decision and mine alone. You know this to be true because many times we have agreed....well, maybe not many times, but a few.
So Six, speak your mind. So will I. If we agree, fine, if not, that's fine too.
Just be honest and we'll be cool.
SGG
The term only applies to those intent
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Quote:Yes, this is Fields. Wiemer points out that the long term prescription of psychotropic drugs or "meds" that Fields was on should not be discounted.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Who? Does this have anything to do with Charlottesville and James Fields? Because I haven't seen any suggestion that he was on drugs, or given drugs, by a doctor; just a random quote from a high school teacher (a long time ago!) that he might be "schizophrenic".
Ok, so can we generalize that to: It's bad if ANYONE drives a car into a group pf people, whether they are Nazis, radical jihadists, militant Hindus, or anyone else? If fact, can we make that an even MORE general statement, that killing or injuring anyone for a political cause is bad??? Yup, I think we can. - SIGNY
I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress. - JSF
I cant make linkies right now but one on
Thedeplorablearmy.com
Was decent.
Fields is much the same in this respect as Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Andreas Lubitz, Susan Smith, Andrea Yates, Elliot Rodger, Dylann Storm Roof, Eric Harris,
many others.
WCPO also reported that was a reason he was not allowed to join the Army.
Also, for those thinking Florence, KY is some hick town, Florence and Covington, KY are the location of the Cincinnati Area Airport for Ohio, hence the FAA code CVG when flying tp Cincinnati.
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I did a search on fields+drugs and fields+psychotropic and didn't find anything, so if you can post links it would be much appreciated.
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* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
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Here are a couple of thoughts:
1- Why is what FDR did or didn't do so important as to what is going on today?
2- Speaking of Isolationists; isn't that exactly what Trump wants to do now?
Isn't it part of the of the MAGA movement and how Trump was "elected" president - because of what he promised - also; isn't that what your comrades are against - Globalization? Wasn't it Trump who famously declared,
"I'm the president of Pittsburgh, not Paris."
Just wondering!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:methinks you rememberfy incorrectly.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27373131
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousa
nds-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
The St. Louis is a tragic story, but in 1939 FDR's administration could not have possibly foreseen or even imagined the scope of the mass exterminations that would take place years later. Eisenhower himself was on hand in 1945 when American troops stumbled upon Ohrdruf and Birkenau death camps and he couldn't believe or comprehend what he saw there.
I remember FDR and his Democrats as the Party that supported Churchill during England's darkest days when they alone stood against Hitler. The Republicans were isolationists. They argued against Lend/Lease and wanted no part of the fight against Germany.
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
Crystal Night had already occurred in November 1938, and was no big secret. The Times of London reported it the next day.
The Isolationist and Nonintervention policies codified in Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, 1937, and 1939 were all passed with Democrap majorities in both houses of Congress, and Supermajorities in both houses from 1935 - 1938.
The darkhorse candidate Wilkie in 1940 for GOP did end up an Isolationist but Republicans considered that to be a negative in the race.
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Quote:If you quit the siphoning straw supplying your MSM Fake News, you might hear that more progress is being made in the Middle East by military forces than in the past 8 years.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Here are a couple of thoughts:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:methinks you rememberfy incorrectly.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:The St. Louis is a tragic story, but in 1939 FDR's administration could not have possibly foreseen or even imagined the scope of the mass exterminations that would take place years later. Eisenhower himself was on hand in 1945 when American troops stumbled upon Ohrdruf and Birkenau death camps and he couldn't believe or comprehend what he saw there.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also neglected to mention the Anti-Semitic actions of Democraps such as FDR when he sent back to Europe Jewish refugees from Nazis, aboard SS St Louis.
At least 250 of them died as a result.
I remember FDR and his Democrats as the Party that supported Churchill during England's darkest days when they alone stood against Hitler. The Republicans were isolationists. They argued against Lend/Lease and wanted no part of the fight against Germany.
FDR campaigned very clearly as isolationist in 1940 election. That was why he needed to sacrifice Pearl Harbor and the Battleship Navy, to not violate his campaign promise.
Crystal Night had already occurred in November 1938, and was no big secret. The Times of London reported it the next day.
The Isolationist and Nonintervention policies codified in Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, 1937, and 1939 were all passed with Democrap majorities in both houses of Congress, and Supermajorities in both houses from 1935 - 1938.
The darkhorse candidate Wilkie in 1940 for GOP did end up an Isolationist but Republicans considered that to be a negative in the race.
1- Why is what FDR did or didn't do so important as to what is going on today?
2- Speaking of Isolationists; isn't that exactly what Trump wants to do now?
Isn't it part of the of the MAGA movement and how Trump was "elected" president - because of what he promised - also; isn't that what your comrades are against - Globalization? Wasn't it Trump who famously declared,
"I'm the president of Pittsburgh, not Paris."
Just wondering!
SGG
FDR's Isolationist practices would have done the opposite, just like Bobo, Slick Willie, and Jiminy Cotta.
And the point of The Big Lie that Nazis are copies of some group OTHER than Democraps is this thread topic.
Do you really believe there is no difference between the intermingling and corruption of Free Market, Enterprise - and the defense of liberty, freedom, and democratic Republics?
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Libtards are as Libtards do.
The term only applies to those intentionally blinding themselves to truth, fact, reason.
Right you are, Dickhead.
(Ya see Six, that's how it works....lol)
SGG
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If you quit the siphoning straw supplying your MSM Fake News,
I'm assuming you're talking about what Trump said? Key part of that sentence is "what Trump said" - How can that be Fake News. He opened his mouth and spoke the words. So, is he Fake?
Quote:
you might hear that more progress is being made in the Middle East by military forces than in the past 8 years.
Really!? Did anyone of consequence actually say the above words?
{quote]FDR's Isolationist practices would have done the opposite,
Avoiding the question, how typical. Isn't Trump espousing the "virtues" of Isolationism? You know, America for Americans; distancing himself from NATO;
criticizing our allies and destroying the very fabric of our foreign policy by dismantling the State Dept.
One more:
Quote:
Do you really believe there is no difference between the intermingling and corruption of Free Market, Enterprise - and the defense of liberty, freedom, and democratic Republics?
I do NOT understand your incoherent statement. The Free Market, as I have stated earlier, should be allowed to run it's course. That's a pretty straight forward statement. So, What intermingling? What corruption?
Please clarify.
SGG
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I find this whole argument really stupid.
The original proponent of the argument Democrats >>> Nazis, D'Souza, presented such weak evidence (so far) that I find the idea preposterous. Nazis got their ideas from the various socialist movements of the day (Nazi = National Socialism) as well as a VERY robust history of anti-Jewish prejudice (which even my immigrant Polish relatives exhibited. You should read Isaac Bashevis Singer's The Slave, incredibly depressing.) plus a belief in the perfectibility of men into supermen (Ubermensch, Frederic Nietzche). Nazis HARDLY needed to reach to the relatively raw, untutored America for a eugenics and economic philosophy when they had such a rich history of their own!
Also, NAZIS WERE FUNDED BY REPUBLICANS - PRESCOT BUSH, THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION (WHICH FUNDED EUGENICS STUDIES), AND CHASE BANK (MAJORITY-OWNED BY ROCKEFELLER).
The idea that the Nazis are copies of/ an outgrowth of Democrats is .... shall I say it again ...?
Preposterous.
Quote:
If you quit the siphoning straw supplying your MSM Fake News, you might hear that more progress is being made in the Middle East by military forces than in the past 8 years.
9-11 occurred in 2001, one year into GWB's watch. Despite the trillion (or more) dollars that he spent on Mideast military invasions, he was no more and no less successful than Obama in ridding the Mideast of terrorists.
Why??
Because the goal was never to rid the Mideast of terrorists. In fact, we have been funding them. Our policies in the Mideast have petrodollar/ energy politics smeared all over them; and terrorists are our proxies (via the Saudis). Plus we've been fulfilling Israel's and Saudi Arabia's policy objectives all along. BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. This has nothing to do with DNC/ RNC and everything to do with the petrodollar, energy, and banking.
Quote:This has nothing to do with isolationism ... Bobo, Slick Willi and Jiminy Cotta were as interventionist as Bush and Bush Jr.
FDR's Isolationist practices would have done the opposite, just like Bobo, Slick Willie, and Jiminy Cotta.
Quote:Preposterous.
And the point of The Big Lie that Nazis are copies of some group OTHER than Democraps is this thread topic.
Quote:I have no idea what this means.
Do you really believe there is no difference between the intermingling and corruption of Free Market, Enterprise - and the defense of liberty, freedom, and democratic Republics?
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:Perhaps keep in mind that most times the evidence of psychotropic drugs is withheld until after the trials. This pattern was changed drastically with the Aurora Theater Massacre, when after only 9 days the truth of James Holmes's prescribed use of psychotropic drugs was mistakenly revealed. (it was still withheld from the jury).
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I did a search on fields+drugs and fields+psychotropic and didn't find anything, so if you can post links it would be much appreciated.
Authorities are working hard to keep the doctors protected and only prosecute their victims, the patients who took the drugs their doctors insisted they consume. Keeping the doctors off the hook is needed to obtain a successful prosecution.
http://thedeplorablearmy.com/1-thing-charlottesville-terror-attack-mai
n-stream-media-desperate-hide/
In this one, also note mentions of event organizer Kessler, regarding false flag operations by Obamabots.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/update-on-the-charlottesville-rallyalex
-fields-registered-republican-not-democratorganizer-jason-kessler-past-obama-supporter-setup-to-trap-the-alt-right/
These mention his prescriptions for psychotropic drugs, I haven't had time to view them.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/what-we-know-about-charlo
ttesville-suspect-james-alex-fields.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-james-fields-jr-char
lottesville-20170818-story.html
http://www.wcpo.com/news/national/charlottesville-crash-suspect-idd-as
-ohio-man
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Oh my! You have discovered a well-hidden secret: Liberals are humans too.
Fuck yeah, I would like to see some people dead as a door nail. Assad? Hmmm, don't know if that would actually help. I see that we got Osama - DEAD
But fuck it all, there's still "radical Islamic terrorism." Shit, by that same token, I know that some KKK Grand Poobahs are deader than skunks, but we still got "men in sheets" carrying Tiki Torches.
Yeah, I agree, liberals can be real scumbags just like the rest. But my question is: why I don't care as much about those "really fine people."
Well, like the man said: "It's a mystery"
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, all you liberals, I think you're missing the point.
Why did we destroy Afghanistan? Partly it was because they refused to turn over their guest (ObL) to the USA - although they WOULD have turned him over to the ICC, that wasn't good enough for us. Plus, the Taliban was in charge, and they treated females worse than donkeys. We needed to do something about that. When we were done, Afgahnistan was in far worse shape than when we started, and not only was the Taliban still in control of much of the countryside, ISIS reared its ugly head.
Why did we destroy Iraq? Well, "Saddam had WMD" and posed a major security risk to ... the USA, I guess ... Plus yanno he was a terrible dictator. So it was worth killing somewhere between 200,000- 1,000,000 civilians and leaving the nation partially occupied by ISIS and riven with ethnic hatred just to depose a dictator and get rid of phantom WMD.
Why did we destroy Libya? Well, Qaddafi was a terrible dictator, and despite the fact that the standard of living in Libya was VASTLY superior to any other nation in Africa, Qaddafi had to "massacre his own people" in order to stay in power, which somehow required not only a NATO no-fly zone but eventual bombing of the entire civilian space and arming radicalized jihadists to topple the leader. But we managed to take down Qaddafi and the price was only about 10,000 dead, a nation crawling with jihadist terrorists, and a catastrophic drop in living standards.
Why did we get involved in Ukraine? Well, despite having been elected into power, Yanukovich was a terrible corrupt oligarch - even more terrible and corrupt than the other terrible corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs - and despite the fact that early elections were offered to the protesters, even that wasn't enough for the State-Department and its NGOs and its team of merrie provovateurs, and they took down a democratically elected government and installed their appointed leaders, and now there are 11,000 dead civilians and the country is riven in three.
And what about Assad? Well, he was a terrible anti-democratic dictator, plus he "gassed how own people" (not) and so that justified our funding, training, and arming an assorted crew of old-guard al Qaeda terrorists, new-guard ISIS terrorists from Chechnya to Morocco, an almost invisible minority of pro-democracy forces (all 100 of them), and Kurdish separatists, as well as allowing Israel the random missile-strike into the Golan heights so they can keep their (Syrian) water source. So now there are 300,000+ dead Syrians, millions displaced and cities destroyed.
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You might ask what the point of this diatribe is.
The point is that LIBERALS are just as likely to kill and destroy as CONSERVATIVES. All you have to do is give them a gooey-sounding cause .... "freedom", "democracy", "human rights" .... and they will unthinkingly trample over a million bodies to pursue their just cause.
*******
Once you have a group of people with an ideology, they stop seeing others as people, and start seeing them in dehumanized form. "Those people" are not longer real people, they're blacks or whites; Democrats or Republicans; or Hutus or Tutsis; Sunnis or Shias; men or women. Once you have dehumanized someone in youNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hey Six, to continue this conversation:
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I can be an asshole too, and you all know about my drunk history here. (Almost 8 months without a drop all on my own).
Before I say another word: Congrats Six on your staying sober. I have friends and family in that very situation, so I know it's not easy. Good luck to you.
Okay, enough with the sappiness....lol
There was something I wanted to say in addition to my last response to you. I'm not sure, but I believe you may have stated that I called you a Nazi.
I don't recall where, or if it was you, but no, I wouldn't do that. If I did (my memory has been a bit erratic lately) I apologize. In the long run, I really don't know you and I wouldn't want it done to me. Just wanted to get that out there to you. That is not my style, if I disagree with you I will say so.
Usually I will answer in such a way so that you get my meaning. If not, just ask. If I see a comment that I feel strongly about, I will comment.
If I agree, I will say so...but sometimes I want to make a point, so I'll comment. I don't believe I called anyone a Nazi. But if someone supports a group who's driving force is hate and prejudice...well, you tend to think that that person is sympathizing with their beliefs. I try not to look at things as BLACK & WHITE so much, because I know things are much closer to GRAY than anything else.
One point I wanted to make and so I add it here: If I support Obama, what will you think? That I'm a card carrying pansy-ass lefty liberal...in other words a Democrat. There's that label thing that Sigs was talking about.
But that doesn't make me that label, but you would have a picture in your head of the type of person I might be. I do it too, it's okay to admit.
But this forum has shown me some different things, and I'm hoping that others would come to discover themselves in the process as well.
Having said that I don't like Nazis, the KKK or WS because they tend to be BULLIES, and also because of what they believe - that superiority thing.
I made a general statement and that was wrong, because it's not all "black and white" and there are some good people on the right, conservatives, that
also despise fascism and racist qualities. My ex girlfriend's dad was a conservative, boy was he, who served his country during WWII and was a hard ass. But he loved his country almost as much as he loved his daughters. We would argue, but we respected each other.
Again, to reiterate, I follow no one. I have a set of values and I go by them. Freedom is something you work for, and I believe that everyone has a right to believe as they wish. I might not agree with you, but that's a part of life. We don't have to be all chummy to co-exist.
If you cut a human being, we all bleed red.
SGG
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Quote:There are reasons to believe the Democratic Party has angry racists left behind when most of the angry racists switched over to being Republicans. They were numerous enough to swing the last Presidential election.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I try not to look at things as BLACK & WHITE so much, because I know things are much closer to GRAY than anything else.
I made a general statement and that was wrong, because it's not all "black and white"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters
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In key states that went for Trump — Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan — the number of defectors from Sanders in the primary election to Trump in the general election were greater than Trump’s margin of victory, according to new numbers released Wednesday by UMass professor Brian Schaffner.
Sanders -> Trump voters…
WI: 51k
MI: 47k
PA: 116k
Trump win margin…
WI: 22k
MI: 10k
PA: 44k
The professor goes on to explain why these Democrats voted for Trump:
"I also looked at how the Bernie-Trump voters identify themselves on the ideological scale, and very few say that they're liberal. Only about 17 to 18 percent say that they're liberal, in any kind of way, shape, or form, though they voted for Sanders.
By contrast, about 45 percent of these Bernie-Trump voters say they're ‘middle of the road’ — basically, a lot of them see themselves as “moderates.” Meanwhile, another 35 percent of them are claiming to be either somewhat conservative or very conservative.
I think what this starts to suggest to me is that these are old holdovers from the Democratic Party that are conservative on race issues. And while Bernie wasn't campaigning on that kind of thing, Clinton was much more forthright about courting the votes of minorities — and maybe that offended them, and then eventually pushed them out and toward Trump."
It’s been months since the election — why is this data coming out now?
"What we do with this survey is go back and match respondents to voter files because people lie about having voted, and especially lie about having voted in the primaries. What I was worried about is people who claimed to have voted in a primary for Bernie but didn’t.
So I waited until I had the data that matched the respondents to their voter file record, which allowed us to see — these are the people we know voted for a primary."
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six, to continue this conversation:
Before I say another word: Congrats Six on your staying sober. I have friends and family in that very situation, so I know it's not easy. Good luck to you.
Thanks man. I'm still not working an actual job yet, but I've been getting some stuff done that I've put off for years. I've also gotten pretty deep into some hobbies that I had lost interest in when I was drinking. I haven't started working out again yet, but I've been eating better and not consuming 2,500 empty beer calories at a time 3 to 4 times a week, so I've lost around 30 lbs since Christmas time and I'm looking and feeling a lot better.
The best part though is that I feel like I'm part of my family again. I've been doing a lot to help my parents who are selling their house and business and moving south, and I've been spending a lot more time with my niece than I ever had.
It's been good. I really don't think about drinking all that much anymore... I mean the urge to go right down the street and buy some. I know that part of it is that I have supplemented my life with other things though. Drinking a lot of coffee now and some of my projects are pretty OCD stuff that other people would think was crazy and extremely boring. I'm formulating a plan to make some money with the work now though. I'll never get rich off of it or anything, but it could be a good supplement to whatever shitty part time job I can get around here.
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Okay, enough with the sappiness....lol
Deal.
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There was something I wanted to say in addition to my last response to you. I'm not sure, but I believe you may have stated that I called you a Nazi.
I don't recall where, or if it was you, but no, I wouldn't do that. If I did (my memory has been a bit erratic lately) I apologize. In the long run, I really don't know you and I wouldn't want it done to me. Just wanted to get that out there to you. That is not my style, if I disagree with you I will say so.
No. You never said that word. I didn't accuse you of it either. I just spoke up and said something because I felt that you were falling in line with others here that do use the word.
I don't feel that anybody here on this board is a Nazi or a White Supremacist or even a sympathizer. Just because you're not a radical on the left side crying racism and parroting the MSM does not mean that you support those people.
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Usually I will answer in such a way so that you get my meaning. If not, just ask. If I see a comment that I feel strongly about, I will comment.
If I agree, I will say so...but sometimes I want to make a point, so I'll comment. I don't believe I called anyone a Nazi. But if someone supports a group who's driving force is hate and prejudice...well, you tend to think that that person is sympathizing with their beliefs. I try not to look at things as BLACK & WHITE so much, because I know things are much closer to GRAY than anything else.
I agree with all of that. That being said, I don't believe that anybody here is protecting, supporting or sympathizing with anybody who is spreading hate. Especially those who actually hurt or killed somebody else.
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One point I wanted to make and so I add it here: If I support Obama, what will you think? That I'm a card carrying pansy-ass lefty liberal...in other words a Democrat. There's that label thing that Sigs was talking about.
I'll admit that in general I don't have a high opinion of somebody who calls Obama a great president... especially if that's all I have to go on when interacting with that person. The internet makes it pretty easy to do that sort of thing. This conversation and a few others we've had on here tend to humanize things though and it's not so easy to just call you an SJW douche
I don't think that Obama lovers are
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Quote:You mean like when Democrats killed their slaves?
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Oh, and if you don't understand why Obama is NOT LIKE HITLER, you need to watch your entire family be gassed to death. It kinda has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are...
Or how Democrats force marched Native Americans until whole tribes/nations were decimated, not merely families?
Or like when Obamacare Death Panels kill off your family members?
Or don't you understand how this has a way of making people figure out who the bad people are?
Or are you saying Bobo is divorced from Democrats?
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Excellent example of the topic:
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Quote:Everybody except RF and G seem to have learned better than you, in this thread. And maybe SGG.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:Oh, the irony.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
- probably because they cannot read, let alone think.
Nazi's are ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES.
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Quote:Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives. Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
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Quote:how does this relate to whether you jump on the Wishy/rea
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,
I will respond later today. I'm doing so holding the White Flag of Truce, but right now I have a major league headache.
Thanks
SGG
No worries. Take your time.
I should admit that my language has gotten a little "colorful" over the last few days. Let's just say that I'm feeling a little "triggered".
Wolf Blitzer isn't helping things.
Ok, before I answer, let me tell you:
I'm a die-hard Democrat.
I believe in democracy.
Born and raised in the good ol' USA.
My president was JFK (10 when they killed him)
Protested the Vietnam War
Believe in the Death Penalty (especially when it comes to kids and police killed in cold blood)
Yes, believe there are those that cheat the system (from the top to the bottom and back again)
Vets should get a house, health care for free, especially if they lost a limb
Free enterprise should be allowed to run it's course
College should not be for profit
Universal Health Care
I hate bullies
There's nothing wrong with a little cursing every now and then, helps relieve stress
I've been known to use "colorful" language myself. At times, it's to blow off steam, other times it's to make a point. I like to think of myself as a rational human being, but every once in a while I lose my shit.
Sometimes I like to fuck with people (habit of mine with my old friends) but we stay friends at the end. There are times when it's appropriate, and others when it's not. I try not to hold grudges when someone loses their shit, as long as it's done honestly. I think that guys tend to understand that more than women, I don't know why that is.
I despise when people try to insult my intelligence. If you call me out on a particular topic and you make a valid point, I will say so. If you lose your shit and curse me out, then later come back and say "I had a bug up my ass, let's start over." I respect that. We are all here because of the freedom within Firefly. Being ourselves and allowed to speak our minds without fear. Fuck!, everyone has the right to speak their minds and believe what they believe. Sometimes JSF will call me a Libtard (his favorite word), but I know that's his way of saying "you're wrong you asshole" and I'll call him a dickhead and we'll argue our points and views.
I have to admit, sometimes I get steamed, but when I think clearly and calmly, I'll say..."Hell with it, he's just speaking his mind. He's wrong! But he's speaking his mind." I may not respond for a few days, but, in the end, we all have the right to speak our minds. Me, I try not to insult you in the process, but shit happens. Bottom line, we all get angry and lose our shit. But I don't care for the insults and lack of respect for my beliefs and contributions. You could call me a dickhead, sure. I've even gotten use to being called a drunk (thanks Keeks and Sig), I just laugh it off and make some reference to something that comes to my mind in that instant. Helps me to cope with the idiocy of the moment.
But there are times when I respond and it's laser sharp on point. And times when I'm just letting off some steam. I will, at times, not get angry if you go tell me to go fuck myself, or go to hell, I know that is your way of letting off steam. But please know that I think for myself. If I see something that you, or anyone for that matter, makes sense to me...I will go along with it or comment on it in some way. But know this, it is my decision and mine alone. You know this to be true because many times we have agreed....well, maybe not many times, but a few.
So Six, speak your mind. So will I. If we agree, fine, if not, that's fine too.
Just be honest and we'll be cool.
SGG
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It doesn't
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You're kidding, right!?
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives. Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
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From the reporting that I've seen, many who voted for Trump were converted Democrats who were fed up for one reason or another. I'm not going to pretend to know all the demographics involved, but, again from watching reports and reading related stories, I gathered that there were many pissed off people tired of the same old politics and were desperate for change.
And boy did they get it. Trump managed to pull the wool over many folks eyes. Voters thought: "Here's what we need to change the dynamics of our daily lives and turn this ship around." I especially see white folk wanting to believe this so much that they said "fuck it, why not Trump." They bought into his carnival barker attitude and bought the snake oil...hook, line and sinker. I'm not saying that they should have known better, but they should have known better. A month or two ago, I saw a report on NBC or rather an interview of a converted Dem who voted for Trump, and he was not happy. He was rethinking his vote.
Now, Trump will always have his base, his supporters and that's all well and good. But the converted were expecting a particular outcome as a reward to their conversion, and that is the key to whether one can call his presidency - a success. It's one thing to get there, it's a whole different kettle of fish once you're there - behind that desk. He even admitted to it
during his Afghanistan speech. This is not about who is or isn't a Nazi; this is about our Democracy. Calling someone a name won't cut it; it's about what works for us as a people. It is a gray matter that continues to evolve and change almost minute-by-minute; especially the way Trump and company has been handling things so far.
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I think what this starts to suggest to me is that these are old holdovers from the Democratic Party that are conservative on race issues. And while Bernie wasn't campaigning on that kind of thing, Clinton was much more forthright about courting the votes of minorities — and maybe that offended them, and then eventually pushed them out and toward Trump."
For the most part, I agree. I think it goes deeper than that; people have been fearing the so-called "takeover" by minorities and the loss of privilege and power in certain circles of society. What was it, by 2050 whites will be the minority in this country? That's a scary proposition;
one that could invoke a strong reaction. But it seems to have manifested itself in a type of banding together for a last battle to "save" the race.
It reminds me of a movie, "McClintock", where the chief of the Comanche asks that the few warriors left in their tribe be given guns to have one final stand - and go down fighting. Fifty, a hundred years from now this will be a fading memory. I don't think it will be resolved in my lifetime, and it will be full of pain; growing pains.
People think they want change, but often resist it. This so-called movement is just another lurch forward. Like the flood in Texas, the water will crest, then find it's level.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There are reasons to believe the Democratic Party has angry racists left behind when most of the angry racists switched over to being Republicans. They were numerous enough to swing the last Presidential election.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I try not to look at things as BLACK & WHITE so much, because I know things are much closer to GRAY than anything else.
I made a general statement and that was wrong, because it's not all "black and white"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters
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In key states that went for Trump — Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan — the number of defectors from Sanders in the primary election to Trump in the general election were greater than Trump’s margin of victory, according to new numbers released Wednesday by UMass professor Brian Schaffner.
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Quote:I thought the facts were fairly obvious.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:You're kidding, right!?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives. Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
SGG
Oh wait.
Your quoted comment about supporting Nazis is where you're just kidding - is that it?
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I'm going to do the Keeks and Sigs thing, let's see how this works:
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Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives.
Tell me, exactly how this manifests itself IYHO. How have The Right, The Far Right, supported Freedom of Speech. What specific laws have they supported, written or managed to further Democracy? How has the Right shown to be champions of Freedom of Speech. Give specifics!
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Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
In contrast, how have the Left restricted the Freedoms that this country is widely been known for? Specifically, how have the Left been intolerant of these Freedoms. What is the Left?
SGG
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Not my quote, I merely agreed with it. So, if I support a president (in this case Obama), am I not supporting his approach to Democracy. As you say, supporting his leadership in restricting Freedoms?
If the answer is yes, then you do get it. If one supports a cause, then one believes in that cause. Therefore, if one supports the Far Right, the Left, The Walking Dead or Nazis; then it is safe to say that they support the individual causes of each of those ideals, beliefs or movements.
According to you: If I follow the Left, then I follow restrictions of Freedoms.
According to how I think and believe: Nazis, White Supremacists who believe that they are the superior race above all others - are dead wrong!
See how simple that is. The highlighted statement holds, IMHO.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I thought the facts were fairly obvious.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're kidding, right!?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives. Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
Oh wait.
Your quoted comment about supporting Nazis is where you're just kidding - is that it?
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Quote:That quote was posted by you on 16 August.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Not my quote, I merely agreed with it. So, if I support a president (in this case Obama), am I not supporting his approach to Democracy. As you say, supporting his leadership in restricting Freedoms?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I thought the facts were fairly obvious.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:You're kidding, right!?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Supporting FREEDOM of Speech has nominally been the mentality and covenant of the Far Right, The Right, Conservatives. Restrictions of Freedoms has been the hallmark of the Intolerants, Democrats, The Left.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
SGG
SGG
Oh wait.
Your quoted comment about supporting Nazis is where you're just kidding - is that it?
If the answer is yes, then you do get it. If one supports a cause, then one believes in that cause. Therefore, if one supports the Far Right, the Left, The Walking Dead or Nazis; then it is safe to say that they support the individual causes of each of those ideals, beliefs or movements.
According to you: If I follow the Left, then I follow restrictions of Freedoms.
According to how I think and believe: Nazis, White Supremacists who believe that they are the superior race above all others - are dead wrong!
See how simple that is. The highlighted statement holds, IMHO.
SGG
Upon review of your reply and the posts surrounding it, in regards to the quote you were replying to, you were not with the others in condemning Free Speech supporters of legally permitted groups which included self identified Nazis. Instead you must have been referring to the Democrats and Socialists who supported the Nazis, as pointed out in the thread topic.
Looks like confusion resulted from others replying to the same post and condemning support for Free Speech Rights, which made your comment confusing when you mentioned the mindset of the Far Right in supporting Free Speech. Looks like your autocorrect changed Left to Right.
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Supporting Nazis speaks volumes about the mentality of people on the far right.
Yes, this is my statement. I lost track as to what I was responding to. So, my mistake.
The above comment was in response to a post by Wishimay. My comment was not about limiting or restricting Free Speech, but rather about the people who support, or follow, Nazis or Neo-Nazis in this day and age. You do know that Nazis, at one time in world history, were socialist/fascists who reigned terror, death and destruction
upon Europe all in the name of the blue-eyed, blond-haired Germans being superior to all races (they named themselves the Master Race), and that they wanted to take over the world.
You've heard of this? Yes?
So, you know that this mentality - a single Master Race - is wrong-headed, right?
Plus the fact that the Nazis killed millions (you know, that whole death and destruction thing I mentioned above) doesn't sit well with the majority of Americans in this country, especially those who fought against the tyranny of the so-called Master Race. We, as Americans, have a long history combating tyranny.
We fought for our independence from the English Monarchy (I mention that as a reminder of who we are as a people). So there's that.
Now, of course, I'm simplifying our history to make a general statement, but suffice it to say the freedoms the founding fathers laid out like so many commandments, serves as a daily reminder of who we are as a people. The collective mentality that we share today stems from those "commandments." We live our lives
holding them up for all to see, and pressing them to our chest almost as though we need them to breathe. So, I need no introduction as to the importance of those freedoms. It comes to me like water, like the sun in the morning. Now, you want to believe that I am trying to deny anyone their rights or freedoms in this country, believe whatever you want. I remember the saying when I was a kid - "it's a free country." I believe in that.
I also believe I have the right to say what I believe - and my comment is strictly an observation. You, and anyone, have the right not to agree. That's fine. You can think or say whatever, but know this - I will speak my mind.
So Free Speech to your heart's content. You, me, everyone has that right. It's built into the Constitution and ingrained in "our" DNA. So don't get it twisted.
But Free Speech does not require me to "bend a knee" and subject myself to something I do not believe in. I DO NOT believe that skin color makes anyone superior over other humans - period.
Oh, and one more thing...Democrats are not copies of Nazis. I can't believe I have to say that, but, of course, you'll continue with this insipid line of "pablum."
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Excellent example of the topic:
There you go, lying like a little bitch again. The fascists are the fascists. They murder people regularly, and are proud to do so.
The antifa heroes protect lives from Nazi terrorists.
Tell me which side has fucking MURDERED people? Yours, Nazi lover. Yours. Fuck you, traitor.
Your sick agenda will never succeed. Fascists never end well.
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Apparently the Gassing Chamber was designed to kill fellow citizens via Eugenics.
The first Law enacted in America for this was State of Ohio in 1906.
More info in the book War on the Weak.
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Are Antifa, BLM, SJWs just modern day Gestapo?
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Quote:Just lots of Russian trolls.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There aren't any Nazis here.
Fascism is a far right ideology. Period.
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Quote:Nope. And you know that.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are Antifa, BLM, SJWs just modern day Gestapo?
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An educational deconstruction of the notion that fascism is somehow "left."
Solid facts and logic, no BS.
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When President Trump declared himself “a nationalist” during a Texas campaign rally Monday night, the apparent dog whistle was heard loud and clear by white supremacy groups and their online networks...
White Supremacists are Salivating Over Trump’s ‘I’m a Nationalist’ Declaration
https://observer.com/2018/10/white-supremacists-thirsty-for-trumps-im-
a-nationalist-declaration/?fbclid=IwAR0RW0q3v6F2XJAXmnWcdCU5FhFbSffunc0Bcu5JEhoNsVrPqtItc4bAmps
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Quote:Well, if you say it is not, then we can all be certain that it is, in fact.
Originally posted:Quote:Nope. And you know that.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are Antifa, BLM, SJWs just modern day Gestapo?
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Quote:Another gem of a post hidden in this thread, at the bottom of the 1st page.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Then why is there not more universal outrage?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Ok, so can we generalize that to: It's bad if ANYONE drives a car into a group pf people, whether they are Nazis, radical jihadists, militant Hindus, or anyone else? If fact, can we make that an even MORE general statement, that killing or injuring anyone for a political cause is bad???
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it. - WISHY
Yup, I think we can.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I am not sure I have seen your outrage over the doctors prescribing these psychotropic drugs to this guy or others. When these doctors are held responsible and thrown in prison for these deaths then we'll have started to make progress.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This whole thread is just one big *facepalm.
Morons fighting over who wants to kill who, which party does or said what 150 years ago. Or thirty years ago. Like it fucking matters right here and now. Like ANYTHING would justify ANYONE driving a car into a group of ANY people.
Nazi's are bad, M'kay. If you don't get THAT at least, the hell with you.
As usual, this planet would be a whole lot better without most humans on it.
https://breggin.com
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