Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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THG

Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

1) The NYT received an editorial but didn't do it's due diligence, and didn't confirm the presumed source, or

2) The editorial WAS written by WH "senior staff", who outed himself as part of a conspiracy which is imposing its unelected ideology on America or,

3) The editorial was written by WH "senior staff" as part of a WH disinformation campaign.

None of these are pretty alternatives. But I'm sure that those who "trust" the M$M will somehow manage to overlook the implications of all of these "gaffes", including this last one, and bury them deeply in their memory-hole.
Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. Your panicky writing about conspiracies changes nothing, but you and Trump really have no worries. The Democrats will never get 67 Senators, which means Trump is safe. The Democrats might not break 51% in the House, which means Trump won't even be talked mean about in Congress. But Trump has extremely delicate skin. Mean talk makes him break out in a rash.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
use/

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THG

Thursday, September 6, 2018 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.

Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.

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SECOND

Thursday, September 6, 2018 11:39 PM

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Signym, you are lying, again in Trump's service. The editorial writer's identity is known to the NYTimes, just not to Trump. - SECOND
Then the author of the editorial just outed himself as part of a deep state conspiracy to impose on America an unelected ideology. Conspiracy to thwart a Presidency?? Isn't that something like treason?

Like I said, SECOND, none of the alternatives are pretty, and of all of them, this is the ugliest. I proposed the other two alternatives so as to give the both the author AND the NYT the benefit of the doubt.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

If it is treason in Trump's opinion, in order to get the name of the anonymous editorial writer, I am all for Trump sending the entire editorial staff of the NY Times to Guantanamo. Torture them, Trump! Find out who that traitor is! (The GOP will be opposed, but why should Trump listen?)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, September 7, 2018 2:46 AM

It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.

Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Friday, September 7, 2018 3:28 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.

Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, September 7, 2018 3:40 AM

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It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.

Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process. - SIGNY

Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?- SECOND

It's very simple, SECOND, it's the will of the people as expressed through the currently-adopted process*. It would be impossible to hand-hold non-voters into expressing their opinion, given that it's a state-to-state issue.

*Yanno, the "democratic institutions" that THUGR goes on and on about ... the delegation of authority to each state.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 7, 2018 9:35 AM

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And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?

In the case of 45,200,000, their opinion doesn't matter.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306623/percentage-of-population-un
der-18-years-in-the-us-by-state-and/

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, September 7, 2018 12:30 PM

This opinion, written by someone who obviously has spent a lot more time thinking about this than I did.

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We Are Being Played

If any evidence existed to be found that Donald Trump had illegally colluded with the Russian government to rig the 2016 presidential election, that evidence would have been picked up by the sprawling surveillance networks of the US and its allies and leaked to the Washington Post before Obama left office.

Russiagate is like a mirage. From a distance it looks like a solid, tangible thing, but when you actually move in to examine it critically you find nothing but gaping plot holes, insinuation, innuendo, conflicting narratives, bizarre mental contortions to avoid acknowledging contradictory information, a few arrests for corruption and process crimes, and a lot of hot air. The whole thing has been held together by nothing but the confident-sounding assertions of pundits and politicians and sheer, mindless repetition. And, as we approach the two year mark since this president’s election, we have not seen one iota of movement toward removing him from office. The whole thing’s a lie, and the smart movers and shakers behind it are aware that it is a lie.

And yet they keep beating on it. Day after day after day after day it’s been Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. Instead of attacking this president for his many, many real problems in a way that will do actual damage, they attack this fake blow-up doll standing next to him in a way that never goes anywhere and never will, like a pro wrestler theatrically stomping on the canvass next to his downed foe.

What’s up with that?

As you doubtless already know by now, the New York Times has made the wildly controversial decision to publish an anonymous op-ed reportedly authored by “a senior official in the Trump administration.” The op-ed’s author claims to be part of a secret coalition of patriots who dislike Trump and are “working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.” These “worst inclinations” according to the author include trying to make peace with Moscow and Pyongyang, being rude to longtime US allies, saying mean things about the media, being “anti-trade”, and being “erratic”. The possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment is briefly mentioned but dismissed. The final paragraphs are spent gushing about John McCain for no apparent reason.

I strongly encourage you to read the piece in its entirety, because for all the talk and drama it’s generating, it doesn’t actually make any sense. While you are reading it, I encourage you to keep the following question in mind: what could anyone possibly gain by authoring this and giving it to the New York Times?

Yes, I was wondering about that ...

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Seriously, what could be gained? The op-ed says essentially nothing, other than to tell readers to relax and trust in anonymous administration insiders who are working against the bad guys on behalf of the people (which is interestingly the exact same message of the right-wing 8chan conspiracy phenomenon QAnon, just with the white hats and black hats reversed). Why would any senior official risk everything to publish something so utterly pointless? Why risk getting fired (or risk losing all political currency in the party if NYTAnon is Mike Pence, as has been theorized) just to communicate something to the public that doesn’t change or accomplish anything? Why publicly announce your undercover conspiracy to undermine the president in a major news outlet at all?

Yes, good question.

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What are the results of this viral op-ed everyone’s talking about? So far it’s a bunch of Democratic partisans making a lot of excited whooping noises, and Trump loyalists feeling completely vindicated in the belief that all of their conspiracy theories have been proven correct. Many rank-and-file Trump haters are feeling a little more relaxed and complacent knowing that there are a bunch of McCain-loving “adults in the room” taking care of everything, and many rank-and-file

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SECOND

Friday, September 7, 2018 5:39 PM

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I too have been wondering about the reason for this attack against Trump.

Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is):

Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear

The US president's policies were named as the top fear factor by 69 per cent of respondents in the annual survey.

The "Fears of Germans" poll has been carried out for over a quarter century by the R+V insurance company's Infocenter, which asks respondents which political, economic, personal and ecological issues scare them the most.

"Trump's ruthless 'America First' policy, his aggressive stance against international agreements and his no less aggressive stance on trade and security, including against allies, is scaring a majority of the population," said political scientist Manfred Schmidt.

"This is reinforced by Trump's attacks against Germany," Mr Schmidt, of the Ruprecht Karls University in Heidelberg, who advises the centre, said in a statement.

"If the US should refuse to provide military assistance to countries with supposedly low defence expenditures, this would put Germany in a difficult position, given its current inability to defend itself."

More at www.thenational.ae/world/europe/donald-trump-replaces-terrorism-as-ger
mans-greatest-fear-1.767735

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, September 7, 2018 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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It is not "treason" (aiding an enemy in a declared war) which is why I posted "something like treason". But I agree with Trumps sentiment. People voted for Trump because he said he would do certain things, and the deep state is busy subverting the will of the people by imposing a different agenda over a platform that people voted for.

Yanno, THUGR is always going on and on about our "democratic institutions" and yet seems to tolerate this rather large violation of the democratic process. - SIGNY

Signym, you might need to clarify what "the will of the people" means and exactly what this "platform that people voted for" means. That's because Trump was the minority candidate. And then there were 200,000,000 Americans that did not vote for anybody. What was the will of those people?- SECOND
It's very simple, SECOND, it's the will of the people as expressed through the currently-adopted process*. It would be impossible to hand-hold non-voters into expressing their opinion, given that it's a state-to-state issue.

*Yanno, the "democratic institutions" that THUGR goes on and on about ... the delegation of authority to each state.

Would it be possible to run the Electoral College as it was designed? The states wrecked the function of the college. For one example: Trump got 48% to Hillary's 47.5% in Pennsylvania. State law doesn't give a damn that nobody got a majority. Instead the law un-democratically gave 100% of the electoral votes to the guy who only won 48%. The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates. Nobody was ever suppose to get 100% of the College unless that guy got 100% of the popular vote. 48% is not 100%. This was driving the writers of the Constitution crazy two hundred years ago when the states began subverting the Constitution with the new state rule that whoever gets more votes, even if it is only 33% or 25%, will get 100% of the College votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_201
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http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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