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Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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THG
Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:39 AM

The Wildest Things About Trump From Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

The veteran journalist’s new book says Trump’s behavior is similar to former President Richard Nixon’s during his final days in office.


John Dowd, Trump’s lead attorney with the Russia probe, led a practice session for Trump’s potential testimony with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating possible Russian interference in the 2016 election. According to the book, the president stumbled, contradicted himself and lied so much during the practice session that he eventually lost his cool, ranting, “This thing’s a goddamn hoax,” before deciding, “I don’t really want to testify.”

After Trump said “both sides” at the Charlottesville white supremacist rally were to blame for the violence that occurred in August 2017, advisers urged him to make another speech condemning white supremacists and neo-Nazis. According to Woodward, he almost immediately told aides, “That was the biggest fucking mistake I’ve made” and the “worst speech I’ve ever given.”

Woodward also compared Trump’s paranoia about the Russia investigation as very similar to former President Richard Nixon’s final days as president. According to sources, the president was angered by Mueller’s appointment, saying “Everybody’s trying to get me.”

During a dinner with various military leaders including Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Trump falsely suggested Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) cowardly took advantage of his father’s military rank to get early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam. When Mattis corrected his boss, Trump just replied, “Oh, okay.”

Trump reportedly mocked Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ accent, saying, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. … He couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bob-woodward-fear_us
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THG
Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:04 AM



Report: Trump said condemning white supremacists was his 'biggest' mistake

President Trump reportedly thinks condemning white supremacists after the deadly 2017 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was the "biggest f---ing mistake" he's made as president, Bob Woodward's forthcoming book Fear reports. Trump had said that "both sides" caused violence that led to one counterprotester's death, drawing contempt from Chief of Staff John Kelly and resignation threat from former National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn, per excerpts from Fear published Tuesday by The Washington Post. Trump has also called Attorney General Jeff Sessions "mentally retarded" and declared he wanted to "f---ing kill" Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, per Woodward's reporting, while Kelly has reportedly declared Trump to be an "idiot" in charge of a White House dubbed "Crazytown."

http://theweek.com/5things/793997/report-trump-said-condemning-white-s
upremacists-biggest-mistake


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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:08 AM

Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?

Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.



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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:26 AM

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Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?



Skepticism is always a good idea with publishing. I disagree with your using the term "gossip" though. Sure, there are no rules but to me gossip implies 'hearing about something that happened from someone else', i.e. you weren't there yourself. Woodward was there for direct comments form the people quoted in the book, it wasn't third hand. Besides, so many of the comments fit with what most of us already know about the president: he's a f*cking moron and unhinged, so what's new?

2 months before the election? Why not two weeks?

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Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.



If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:31 AM

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If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.

Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.


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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:38 AM

The problem sig has is what Woodward writes is not anonymously sourced.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.

Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.

Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday?

The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans. There’s no question that the indictments against Reps. Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins were entirely proper: the evidence against both men was significant and the allegations against them were serious. And yet Trump seems to think they shouldn’t have been charged because it hurts Republican chances of keeping control of the House. Note that there is no attempt at subtlety here. He just flat-out thinks a Republican attorney general shouldn’t bring criminal cases against Republican members of Congress if it might hurt the Republican Party.

And Trump had more "gossip" to go, where Trump tweets out some top secrets yesterday, at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/09/three-tweets/

"However, Donald Trump — because he’s too dumb to realize what he’s done — has now tweeted out a story that tells the truth for everyone to read. What an idiot."

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

“Let’s fucking kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the fucking lot of them,” Trump told Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, referring to Assad and his forces. After hanging up with Trump, according to Woodward, the secretary told one of his senior staffers: “We’re not going to do any of that. We’re going to be much more measured.”

Mattis’s more restrained response is what Trump ultimately authorized. But it’s completely possible that without Mattis’s intervention, the US would’ve launched a larger-scale strike to try to kill Assad. That would certainly have angered Assad’s main backer, Russia, and may have led to a broader Washington-Moscow confrontation.

So Trump is apparently fine with assassinating foreign leaders — at least in theory. That’s quite an insight into how Trump wants to use his military.

Perhaps that should be expected: In 2011, Trump said that Obama should kill Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, then take payment in oil from grateful Libyans. Kill for Oil.

“Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick,” Trump said in a video blog. “We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out ... and save the lives.”
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-removing-gadda
fi-was-mistake-but-pushed-for-libya#.feeoQykrD


www.vox.com/2018/9/4/17819298/woodward-book-fear-trump-north-korea-mat
tis-syria-assad


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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:25 AM

ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:30 AM

I don't follow Twitter and so I don't really pay attention to Trump tweets.

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Is it gossip if Trump does it in writing? Yesterday? The president of the United States — the country’s chief law-enforcement officer — is berating his own Attorney General for bringing criminal charges against two Republicans.
But I have noticed something interesting about the Trump WH ... if Trump says you're a great guy (or gal) you're probably about to be fired. So what does it mean if Trump constantly gripes about you? Because, for all the tweets ... Sessions is still in place, isn't he?
:shrug:



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