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Quote:You're a religious fanatic, SECOND. Your religion is the Democratic Party, and your "satan" is the GOP. Your "testimony" is worth as much as any religious person "testifying" in church. Go testify someplace else.
Signym, I should have testified ..
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Quote:Signym, you have lost your fucking mind as has the typical Texas Trump voter. The exception is the Rich Trump voters. They voted for Trump to get a $1.5 trillion tax cut. That is a completely sane and healthy reason. Selfish, yet sane. As for the reasoning of the non-Rich Trump voters, they have very silly thoughts flying around in their numb skulls:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You're a religious fanatic, SECOND. Your religion is the Democratic Party, and your "satan" is the GOP. Your "testimony" is worth as much as any religious person "testifying" in church. Go testify someplace else.
Signym, I should have testified ..
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Signym, I should have testified that Texas Republicans in Harris County would vote for Putin rather than Hillary. Did you know Hillary killed four Americans at Benghazi with her bare hands and bathed in their blood? Ask any Texas Republican. They know for a fact she walked over their corpses. Even Putin as US President would be better than her, despite him being ineligible because he is not a native born American. Obama got elected and you know he was born in Kenya and was less eligible to be President than Putin. Ask a Texas Republican and they will tell you that rock-solid and true fact.
www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-benghazi-hillary-cli
nton-obama-rhodes-edit-0629-jm-20160628-story.html
The flash cards were for Trump. Don't you remember that he reversed himself on tariffs for the EU? Happened this week, Signym. Trump was turned 180 degrees by Juncker.
www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-jean-claude-juncker-won-ove
r-donald-trump-a-1220466.html
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Democrats agreed more strongly than Republicans did that climate change is a concerning reality. And among climate skeptics there were more Republicans than Democrats. Nevertheless, most Republicans were in basic agreement with most Democrats and independents on this issue.
This raises a question: If Democrats and Republicans agree about climate change, why do they disagree about climate policy?
Republican opposition to climate policy has occurred, in part, because climate policy has been a Democratic issue. As part of our research, we interviewed several retired members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, who stressed this point. Bob Inglis, a former Republican congressman from South Carolina, spoke of his opposition in his first several years in Congress: “All I knew was that Al Gore was for it, and therefore I was against it.”
This implies that if the tables were turned — if Republican politicians proposed a climate policy — Republican voters might support it. In our research, that is exactly what we have found.
Our studies suggest that climate policy gridlock is largely about exaggerating disagreement for the sake of disagreement. Our studies revealed a consistent, if somewhat surprising, pattern: Political disagreement was substantially smaller when it came to Republican-backed policies.
In particular, there was very little distance between Republicans and Democrats when evaluating a Republican-proposed carbon tax. This suggests that a carbon tax such as the one proposed by prominent Republicans including James Baker III and Mr. Shultz may hold more promise for bipartisan agreement than we have seen with Democratic policies in the past.
More at www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/republicans-climate-change.h
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Originally posted by second:
Democrats agreed more strongly than Republicans did that climate change is a concerning reality. And among climate skeptics there were more Republicans than Democrats. Nevertheless, most Republicans were in basic agreement with most Democrats and independents on this issue.
This raises a question: If Democrats and Republicans agree about climate change, why do they disagree about climate policy?
Republican opposition to climate policy has occurred, in part, because climate policy has been a Democratic issue. As part of our research, we interviewed several retired members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, who stressed this point. Bob Inglis, a former Republican congressman from South Carolina, spoke of his opposition in his first several years in Congress: “All I knew was that Al Gore was for it, and therefore I was against it.”
This implies that if the tables were turned — if Republican politicians proposed a climate policy — Republican voters might support it. In our research, that is exactly what we have found.
Our studies suggest that climate policy gridlock is largely about exaggerating disagreement for the sake of disagreement. Our studies revealed a consistent, if somewhat surprising, pattern: Political disagreement was substantially smaller when it came to Republican-backed policies.
In particular, there was very little distance between Republicans and Democrats when evaluating a Republican-proposed carbon tax. This suggests that a carbon tax such as the one proposed by prominent Republicans including James Baker III and Mr. Shultz may hold more promise for bipartisan agreement than we have seen with Democratic policies in the past.
More at www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/republicans-climate-change.h
tml
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I agree 100% with the article.
The problem, Second, is that when you read the article, you believed this was only a problem with Republicans.
That's not what the article implies.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You ignored the fact that Trump told the world there is no such thing as Climate Change. The Trump voters went along, as did the GOP. But Trump is wrong and he will stay wrong as long as it will get him votes from coal miners. And the rest of the Republicans will follow Trump's leadership, right or wrong. Nobody on the Democratic side has that power to make Democrats act as if there is no such thing as Climate Change.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree 100% with the article.
The problem, Second, is that when you read the article, you believed this was only a problem with Republicans.
That's not what the article implies.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You ignored the fact that Trump told the world there is no such thing as Climate Change. The Trump voters went along, as did the GOP.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree 100% with the article.
The problem, Second, is that when you read the article, you believed this was only a problem with Republicans.
That's not what the article implies.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I didn't ignore it. Republicans didn't believe (in general) that there is no climate change because Trump said there is no climate change. That's a GOP narrative that spans decades, and to blame this squarely on Trump is disingenuous.
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But Trump is wrong and he will stay wrong as long as it will get him votes from coal miners.
Okay. What's your point here? This is rule number 1 in "Getting Elected 101". How many non-good things do Democrats do to get votes from Union employees themselves?
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And the rest of the Republicans will follow Trump's leadership, right or wrong.
Yup. That's generally what most people on either side do when their "leaders" tell them what to think.
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Nobody on the Democratic side has that power to make Democrats act as if there is no such thing as Climate Change.
Why limit yourself to the single issue of climate change here, unless you're trying to only point out an example that works in favor of your "side"?
Why don't we talk about The Patriarchy, or Systemic Oppression, or the Gender Wage Gap? We could point out a lot of myths that the Democrats create and instill as the Truth in the minds of their ideologues that garner votes.
This isn't exactly new, and it's certainly not a one-sided deal here Second.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:SECOND, your answer make zero sense, and if anyone has lost their mind, it's you.
Signym, you have lost your fucking mind as has the typical Texas Trump voter. The exception is the Rich Trump voters. They voted for Trump to get a $1.5 trillion tax cut. That is a completely sane and healthy reason. Selfish, yet sane. As for the reasoning of the non-Rich Trump voters, they have very silly thoughts flying around in their numb skulls:
Signym, I should have testified that Texas Republicans in Harris County would vote for Putin rather than Hillary. Did you know Hillary killed four Americans at Benghazi with her bare hands and bathed in their blood? Ask any Texas Republican. They know for a fact she walked over their corpses. Even Putin as US President would be better than her, despite him being ineligible because he is not a native born American. Obama got elected and you know he was born in Kenya and was less eligible to be President than Putin. Ask a Texas Republican and they will tell you that rock-solid and true fact.
Step by step ...
Quote:SECOND, I think you know as much about the "typical Texas Trump voter" as you do about me, which is to say ... nothing at all. Despite the fact that I've revealed quite a bit about myself, and posted my reasons for voting for Trump over and over and over ... none of it sinks in. You insist on replying to some cardboard cutout that exists only in your head ("Russian troll"/"deplorable Trump supporter"); therefore, you will excuse me for not trusting your opinion of "Texas voters" any more than I trust your view of me.
Signym, you have lost your fucking mind as has the typical Texas Trump voter.
Quote:I'm not rich. I DID get a tax cut, tho! AND YET... that is NOT the reason I voted for Trump. I wonder... do you even recall what my reasoning is? Or are you still arguing with the voices in your head instead of what I actually posted?
The exception is the Rich Trump voters. They voted for Trump to get a $1.5 trillion tax cut. That is a completely sane and healthy reason. Selfish, yet sane. As for the reasoning of the non-Rich Trump voters, they have very silly thoughts flying around in their numb skulls
Quote:Again, I doubt you know anything about Texas Republicans. I think you have this idee fixe about "the enemy" and nothing ... not even real life or real people... will get in your way.
Signym, I should have testified that Texas Republicans in Harris County would vote for Putin rather than Hillary. Did you know Hillary killed four Americans at Benghazi with her bare hands and bathed in their blood? Ask any Texas Republican. They know for a fact she walked over their corpses. Even Putin as US President would be better than her, despite him being ineligible because he is not a native born American. Obama got elected and you know he was born in Kenya and was less eligible to be President than Putin. Ask a Texas Republican and they will tell you that rock-solid and true fact.
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:In 2008, Barack Obama held up change as a beacon, attaching to it another word, a word that channeled everything his young and diverse coalition saw in his rise and their newfound political power: hope. An America that would elect a black man president was an America in which a future was being written that would read thrillingly different from our past.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, your answer make zero sense, and if anyone has lost their mind, it's you.
Step by step ... Again, I doubt you know anything about Texas Republicans. I think you have this idee fixe about "the enemy" and nothing ... not even real life or real people... will get in your way.
In 2016, Donald Trump wielded that same sense of change as a threat; he was the revanchist voice of those who yearned to make America the way it was before, to make it great again. That was the impulse that connected the wall to keep Mexicans out, the ban to keep Muslims away, the birtherism meant to prove Obama couldn’t possibly be a legitimate president. An America that would elect Donald Trump president was an America in which a future was being written that could read thrillingly similar to our past.
This is the core cleavage of our politics, and it reflects the fundamental reality of our era: America is changing, and fast. According to the Census Bureau, 2013 marked the first year that a majority of US infants under the age of 1 were nonwhite. The announcement, made during the second term of the nation’s first African-American president, was not a surprise. Demographers had been predicting such a tipping point for years, and they foresaw more to come.
Obama found that leadership in this era requires delivering for diverse coalitions, and taking sides in charged cultural battles, and thus becoming part of the very conflict you’re trying to calm. The cycle of unity giving way to conflict, of hope about the future activating fear about the present, is likely to continue. And as long as much of the country feels threatened by the changes they see, there will be a continuing, and perhaps growing, market for politicians like Trump.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-po
litics-immigration
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Quote:Signym, your reasoning has zero importance beyond your skull. Now for someone whose reasoning is important:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wonder... do you even recall what my reasoning is?
Trump's Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh is, to put it bluntly, an anti-worker radical, opposed to every effort to protect working families from fraud and mistreatment.
The most spectacular example is his opinion that Sea World owed no liability for a killer whale attack that killed one of its workers, because she should have known the risks. He has declared the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which helps control the financial fraud against working families that played a major role in the 2008 crisis, unconstitutional. He’s taken an extremely expansive view of the rights of business to suppress union organizing.
This is all, by the way, the opposite of populism. The public strongly supports worker protections. The ongoing campaign to take them away is an act of conservative elites, people who have made their careers by carrying water for business interests, and is being implemented in effect by stealth under the noses of voters who thought Trump was on their side.
And this betrayal matters much more for workers than, say, Trump’s trade bluster. There’s growing evidence that wage stagnation in America – the very stagnation that angers Trump voters — isn’t being driven by impersonal forces like technological change; to an important extent it’s the result of political changes that have weakened workers’ bargaining power. If Trump manages to install Kavanaugh, he’ll help institutionalize these anti-worker policies for decades to come.
More at www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/opinion/trumps-supreme-betrayal.html
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Quote:And yours is even LESS important, because all YOU do is spin fever-dreams based on nothing.
Signym, your reasoning has zero importance beyond your skull. Now for someone whose reasoning is important:
Quote:And you think that Hillary's pro-"free trade" stance would be any better??? At least the Supreme Court is within OUR reach, as opposed to the trade tribunals you voted for, and the anti-worker "free trade" that you constantly push.
Trump's Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh is, to put it bluntly, an anti-worker radical, opposed to every effort to protect working families from fraud and mistreatment.
What a tool. Do you really expect us to believe that you're "pro-worker"? My god, you're stupider than a Texas Republican.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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