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“The Republican college-educated woman is done. They’re gone. They were going anyway at some point in time. Trump triggers them.”

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I know six. Not all "republicans" but all Trump-voters. Four are trained in the sciences, one a regional manager, and one a professional translator. Curiously, only two are "white", and four are nonwhite immigrants. Go figure! One is devoutly Christian, one is socially Christian, one is lapsed Buddhist, and the remainder seem fairly agnostic.

But this is southern California, and their issue is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, among other things.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Originally posted by JO753:
Van Jones prezents u good perspectiv on conservativ voterz:

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

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I don't have time to watch the whole thing right now, but I will finish this video after work.

5 minutes in and Van Jones seems to get it.


I've seen several things by Van since election night that has changed my initial opinion of him since his "White Lash" comment when Trump won. I've got a lot of respect for him. He is not a static character like most other 24 hour commentators, and he seems to have grown quite a bit since then.


It's a pity that there aren't more people on the News like Van that are self aware and are aware of the state of their own party. Instead of doubling down on all the things that got Trump elected in the first place like almost everybody else has done since then, Van Jones is taking a moment to step back and ask himself "what are we doing wrong?"



Thanks for sharing the video J0. I hope that everybody here takes 15 minutes out of their lives to watch it.

I'll have more to say when I finish it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Signym, I called you a lying sack of shit many times.

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Yes, and you are wrong. I don't lie.

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You subscribed to the biggest, longest lie ever told on this forum, so I guess bonus lying points for denying it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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... more likely you are just a crazy American. Do you really think anybody who holds you as contemptible

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They don't think I'M "contemptible" because they ... like you ... have a cardboard cutout in their heads that they're arguing with; after all this time they STILL don't respond accurately to my posts and clearly don't know what I think or why.

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Thanks for the thumbnail description of why Libel won't fly in a forum setting. We don't know who you are, you are some "cardboard cutout" as you say. In fact, when "you" first started posting legal threats I thought your husband had taken over your account. It's occurred to me a few times when you lose your sh*t that maybe someone else is at the keyboard.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:THEIR problem ... and it's THEIR problem, not mine ... is lack of listening. Because they want to ARGUE, not converse. I'm more than ready to discuss; I believe I have listened enough where I could respond tho their points, if they would bother to support/ discuss them.

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^ Ok, that's just drop dead funny. Years of data show you have no interest in "discussing." If anything, the failure rate of "discussing" anything with you just increases the probability that you are only here to agitate. I'm at 99.8% fwiw.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I find it revealing that so many people here simply cannot provide a sustained, logical, evidence-based rationale for why they feel/think the way they do. I've had my mind changed on quite a few things because of discussions with other people. If you-all could give me some sound reasons WHY you feel the way that you do, I'd certainly take it into consideration. But I'm not about to have my mind changed by being browbeaten and bullied, You guys are going to have to do some intellectual WORK to accomplish that!.

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It should be very telling why no one wants to discuss with you! Why don't you get it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: It is, however, a DISCUSSION BOARD. One where people, unfortunately, feel compelled to get in tribal fights and fling poo with both hands.

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You are right! I love discussing various topics with the honest people on this board.

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The Federal government does not have cures for chronic problems because Democracies are not capable of sustained, disciplined efforts over decades. What kind of problems? Maybe Poverty. Maybe a shortage of good jobs at high pay and an overabundance of bad jobs at poor pay?

I’ve got a newspaper’s example of another problem that Democracies can’t solve:

In the late 1970s, a small group of philosophers, economists and political scientists began to debate, largely among themselves, whether a human solution to global warming was even possible. They did not trouble themselves about the details of warming, taking the worst-case scenario as a given. They asked instead whether humankind, when presented with this particular existential crisis, was willing to prevent it. We worry about the future. But how much, exactly?

The answer, as any economist could tell you, is very little. Economics, the science of assigning value to human behavior, prices the future at a discount; the farther out you project, the cheaper the consequences. This makes the climate problem the perfect economic disaster. The Yale economist William D. Nordhaus, a member of Jimmy Carter’s Council of Economic Advisers, argued in the 1970s that the most appropriate remedy was a global carbon tax. But that required an international agreement, which Nordhaus didn’t think was likely. Michael Glantz, a political scientist who was at the National Center for Atmospheric Research at the time, argued in 1979 that democratic societies are constitutionally incapable of dealing with the climate problem. The competition for resources means that no single crisis can ever command the public interest for long, yet climate change requires sustained, disciplined efforts over decades. And the German physicist-philosopher Klaus Meyer-Abich argued that any global agreement would inevitably favor the most minimal action. Adaptation, Meyer-Abich concluded, “seems to be the most rational political option.” It is the option that we have pursued, consciously or not, ever since.

These theories share a common principle: that human beings, whether in global organizations, democracies, industries, political parties or as individuals, are incapable of sacrificing present convenience to forestall a penalty imposed on future generations. When I asked John Sununu about his part in this history — whether he considered himself personally responsible for killing the best chance at an effective global-warming treaty — his response echoed Meyer-Abich. “It couldn’t have happened,” he told me, “because, frankly, the leaders in the world at that time were at a stage where they were all looking how to seem like they were supporting the policy without having to make hard commitments that would cost their nations serious resources.” He added, “Frankly, that’s about where we are today.”

More at www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/01/magazine/climate-change-losing-
earth.html

Why do I think Democracies fail to solve chronic problems? Because a majority needs to agree and continue to agree for years and years on how to solve a “Problem”. Let’s not describe the “Problem”. Imagine your worst problem is the “Problem”.

Here is the key to unlock the secret to failure in Democracies. The majority do not suffer from your “Problem” and don’t care to solve it for you and don’t want to pay for your government solution. Corporations and dictatorships never have this kind of trouble from too many people who don’t care. Instead, they fail because of the bad judgment of the CEO and the dictator.

The ones that Do Care often cannot agree on what to do. The result is the Don’t Care people win in a Democracy. Maybe the Don’t Care have a temporary setback, but eventually, if the problem can’t be solved quickly, the Don’t Care people get their way in a Democracy because Don’t Care is the true majority. The result? Chronic problems not solved.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Ambiguity is a political opportunity for disadvantaged, regular folks who feel that no one else is championing their interests. Trump’s ambiguity helps us understand his campaign’s appeal to such diverse constituents as stockbrokers, evangelicals, Obama swing voters, and white nationalists. Each of these groups came to view the ambiguous candidate as their best bet and hoped that by joining in, they could influence the agenda to serve their needs.

But here’s the rub. While ambiguity can be effective for building a movement or a base of supporters, it is far less effective for governing. Ambiguous ideas and symbols can cast a broad net, but decisive actions, such as enacting policies, rarely do. This is the paradox of ambiguity for movements and leaders who trade in it: When they shift from talk to action, from protest to governance, they cannot as readily accommodate the same diversity of meanings. They become more defined.

In the Trump phenomenon, the definition of Trumpism seems pretty clearly underway. Trump voters have expressed concern about his positions on affordable health care, international trade, and other basic areas of policy affecting their daily lives and ways of making a living.

What’s most apparent is that the people who supported the Trump campaign should not be dismissed as delusional fools who were beguiled by vague promises. Such a judgment underestimates people. Rather we should look at these supporters as opportunists, cunningly taking advantage of ambiguity’s interpretive spaces as a chance to insert their own voice and vision, even if imperfectly. Seen through such a lens, movements and campaigns — and the people who support them — look very different from how they’re usually portrayed.

And this leads us to an inevitable conclusion: When another politician follows Trump’s example of ambiguity, people are likely to take notice. They will believe they are being presented with better opportunities to be heard and represented. They’ll try their luck with whoever or whatever seems to give them an opening. And the candidate who tells the biggest and best story, even when mostly lies, can probably win.

More at https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2018/08/01/why-political-ambiguity-ap
peals-to-the-masses/#more-2545

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Signym, I called you a lying sack of shit many times. - SECOND
Yes, and you are wrong. I don't lie.-SIGNY
You subscribed to the biggest, longest lie ever told on this forum, so I guess bonus lying points for denying it.- GSTRING

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What "lie" is that??? I'll bet you can even describe that "lie" that I'm supposed to be guilty of, your thinking is so fuzzy!!

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... more likely you are just a crazy American. Do you really think anybody who holds you as contemptible - SECOND

They don't think I'M "contemptible" because they ... like you ... have a cardboard cutout in their heads that they're arguing with; after all this time they STILL don't respond accurately to my posts and clearly don't know what I think or why. - SIGNY

Thanks for the thumbnail description of why Libel won't fly in a forum setting.- GSTRING

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Bullshit. Maybe you should do some research and ... yanno... talk to a lawyer before you opine so erroneously.

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We don't know who you are, you are some "cardboard cutout" as you say.- GSTRING

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But that hasn't stopped you from calling me a "Russian troll" time and time again, has it? Don't you realize that you just ADMITTED to libel? What a tool.

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In fact, when "you" first started posting legal threats I thought your husband had taken over your account.- GSTRING

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Good grief. My husband has NEVER "taken over" my account. He has never posted here, under my avatar or any other. Apparently, you're willing to be just as screwed up with this as you are with everything else. But thanks for defaming hubby as well! That just adds to the fun!

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It's occurred to me a few times when you lose your sh*t that maybe someone else is at the keyboard.

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You're wrong.

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THEIR problem ... and it's THEIR problem, not mine ... is lack of listening. Because they want to ARGUE, not converse. I'm more than ready to discuss; I believe I have listened enough where I could respond tho their points, if they would bother to support/ discuss them. - SIGNY

Ok, that's just drop dead funny. Years of data show you have no interest in "discussing." If anything, the failure rate of "discussing" anything with you just increases the probability that you are only here to agitate. I'm at 99.8% fwiw. -GSTRING

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Oh, you mean 99,8% trolling?

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I find it revealing that so many people here simply cannot provide a sustained, logical, evidence-based rationale for why they feel/think the way they do. I've had my mind changed on quite a few things because of discussions with other people. If you-all could give me some sound reasons WHY you feel the way that you do, I'd certainly take it into consideration. But I'm not about to have my mind changed by being browbeaten and bullied, You guys are going to have to do some intellectual WORK to accomplish that!.- SIGNY

It should be very telling why no one wants to discuss with you! Why don't you get it? - GSTRING

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YOU (collectively)- GSTRING, THUGR, SECOND, WISHY, REAVERFAN, and JO ... don't want to discuss anything. What you want is to shout into an echo-chamber and get instant agreement and support back for your opinions.

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It is, however, a DISCUSSION BOARD. One where people, unfortunately, feel compelled to get in tribal fights and fling poo with both hands.- SIGNY

You are right! I love discussing various topics with the honest people on this board.- GSTRING

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Bullshit. You spend at least 90% of your posts trolling and attacking other people, when you don't get the mutual stroking that you expect. It's actually DIFFICULT to find a clearly-stated opinion under your ID, and near-impossible to find any evidence attached to one.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy

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