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SECOND

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Bottom line: at most, there’s been a slight decline in the number of self-IDed Republicans over the past couple of years. But for practical purposes, it’s about zero. All those Republicans who say they love Donald Trump are the same ones who loved Mitt Romney and John McCain and George Bush. They’re just Republicans.

I would think that the Bottom Line would be that the current tactics by Democrats are having absolutely zero effect.

Time for a change?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes! It is time for a change. It is possible to win the presidency with 23 percent of the popular vote.
www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-per
cent-of-the-popular-vote
The same is true of Senators. Wyoming (with a tiny population) has just as many Senators (both Republicans) as California. Republicans can get a super-majority in the Senate by winning those crap-hole states that have only 25% of the population. It is 154 years past time to change the U.S. constitution and fix this.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I would think that the Bottom Line would be that the current tactics by Democrats are having absolutely zero effect.

Time for a change?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If you think Democrats can talk Republicans into changing their vote, you don’t know these Republicans:

“Obama was acting at the behest of the Islamic nation,” [Sheila] began one afternoon when she was getting her nails done with her friend Linda. She was referring to allegations that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, not a Christian — allegations that are false. “He carried a Koran and it was not for literary purposes. If you look at it, the number of Christians is decreasing, the number of Muslims has grown. We allowed them to come in.”

“Obama woke a sleeping nation,” said Linda.

“He woke a sleeping Christian nation,” Sheila corrected.

Linda nodded. It wasn’t just Muslims that posed a threat, she said, but all kinds of immigrants coming into the country.

“Unpapered people,” Sheila said, adding that she had seen them in the county emergency room and they got treated before her. “And then the Americans are not served.”

Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”

Welcome the stranger, she said, meant the “legal immigrant stranger.”

“The Bible says, ‘If you do this to the least of these, you do it to me,’?” Sheila said, quoting Jesus. “But the least of these are Americans, not the ones crossing the border.” ...

God was using Trump just like he had used the Apostle Paul, she said.

“Paul had murdered Christians and he went on to minister to many, many people,” Sheila said. “I think he’s being molded by God for the role. I think he’s the right man for the right time. It’s about the survival of the Christian nation.”

It’s tempting to just dismiss these ideas — that Christian obligations to charity should only apply to people with the proper passports and papers — as rank justification for bigotry. But it’s worth going a level deeper, to try to understand why someone like Sheila could say things like that.

And the last line, about “the survival of the Christian nation,” is crucial to doing that. Because this sense of existential threat is, according to the best research we have, a vital reason why Trump’s brand of white identity politics has attracted so many followers — and will likely continue to attract more in the future.

More about unchangeable Republicans at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/24/17603190/trump-evangelicals-
race-status-threat

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I would think that the Bottom Line would be that the current tactics by Democrats are having absolutely zero effect.

Time for a change?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
If you think Democrats can talk Republicans into changing their vote, you don’t know these Republicans...

Those republicans are no more likely to ever flip than you are likely to become one. Static individuals who will never change and surround themselves only within the walls of their echo chamber are predictable and don't matter.

Where the Dems are going to lose again in the mid terms and once again in 2020 if they don't learn their lesson a 2nd time is by continuing to insult the other side and call them Russians or Nazis or [insert basket of deplorables comment here]. A lot of people on both sides don't vote. Insult them enough and they'll finally get off their ass just to spite you though.

Same thing goes for those of us on the fence. That split went heavily against Clinton even though the polls leading all the way up to election day were telling a much different story.

Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong about this though. I'm a patient man. We'll see if I am or not.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Bottom line: at most, there’s been a slight decline in the number of self-IDed Republicans over the past couple of years. But for practical purposes, it’s about zero. All those Republicans who say they love Donald Trump are the same ones who loved Mitt Romney and John McCain and George Bush. They’re just Republicans.

I would think that the Bottom Line would be that the current tactics by Democrats are having absolutely zero effect.

Time for a change?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yes! It is time for a change. It is possible to win the presidency with 23 percent of the popular vote.
www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-per
cent-of-the-popular-vote
The same is true of Senators. Wyoming (with a tiny population) has just as many Senators (both Republicans) as California. Republicans can get a super-majority in the Senate by winning those crap-hole states that have only 25% of the population. It is 154 years past time to change the U.S. constitution and fix this.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Oh. We're going to bitch about the Electoral College again today, huh?

We've been over this before. Please save any Electoral College bitching for when the Democrats are in charge again. Yanno... the time when Democrats historically forget all about the fact that there is an Electoral College.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:49 AM

The problem is collective narcissism, which is a thing. Blumpybots don't think for themselves and never have. Like Blumpy, they think of politics as a competition. If they win, they win. Yay, team!

They're oblivious to what they've won, or how it affects them. When it goes to shit, it's the other team's fault. Narcissists don't have the ability to take personal responsibility or admit when they're wrong.

All you have to do is listen to reichwing radio, or a Faux talking head and it's as clear as day.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The problem is collective narcissism, which is a thing. Blumpybots don't think for themselves and never have. Like Blumpy, they think of politics as a competition. If they win, they win. Yay, team!

They're oblivious to what they've won, or how it affects them. When it goes to shit, it's the other team's fault. Narcissists don't have the ability to take personal responsibility or admit when they're wrong.

All you have to do is listen to reichwing radio, or a Faux talking head and it's as clear as day.

I agree.

I just don't see how you can say anything different about the other side either.

If you're going to go the path of Wishy and start handing out psychological disorders to everyone, I think Narcissism is probably the most prominant one that afflicts Americans today. Probably ANY humans that live in the "internet culture". That is all that instagram and facebook really is. En masse Narcissism.

I don't think you believe me when I say that I was very much against GWB when he was president. My posts are all here. You can see the past. I'm not a Russian. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not a Blumpy-Bot. I'm not a GOP sycophant.

But can you see how calling somebody all of those names everyday will push someone to lean that way over time?

I'll be the first to admit that I lean a lot further Right than I'm comfortable with. It wasn't always that way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I agree.

I just don't see how you can say anything different about the other side either.

If you're going to go the path of Wishy and start handing out psychological disorders to everyone, I think Narcissism is probably the most prominant one that afflicts Americans today. Probably ANY humans that live in the "internet culture". That is all that instagram and facebook really is. En masse Narcissism.

I don't think you believe me when I say that I was very much against GWB when he was president. My posts are all here. You can see the past. I'm not a Russian. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not a Blumpy-Bot. I'm not a GOP sycophant.

But can you see how calling somebody all of those names everyday will push someone to lean that way over time?

I'll be the first to admit that I lean a lot further Right than I'm comfortable with. It wasn't always that way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If I wanted to use a movie to describe what is wrong with most Americans, I'd use Rashomon. From the obituary of the script writer who died July 19th at 100:

“{Some, but not all,} Human beings are unable to be honest with themselves about themselves. They cannot talk about themselves without embellishing. This script portrays such human beings — the kind who cannot survive without lies to make them feel they are better people than they really are . . . You say that you can’t understand this script at all, but that is because the human heart itself is impossible to understand. If you focus on the impossibility of truly understanding human psychology and read the script one more time, I think you will grasp the point of it.” –
https://goo.gl/5sMFWd

A longer description of the movie:

Shortly before filming was to begin on "Rashomon," Akira Kurosawa's three assistant directors came to see him. They were unhappy. They didn't understand the story. "If you read it diligently," he told them, "you should be able to understand it, because it was written with the intention of being comprehensible." They would not leave: "We believe we have read it carefully, and we still don't understand it at all."

Recalling this day in Something Like an Autobiography, Kurosawa explains the movie to them. Two of the assistants are satisfied with his explanation, but the third leaves looking puzzled. What he doesn't understand is that while there is an explanation of the film's four eyewitness accounts of a murder, there is not a solution.

Kurosawa is correct that the screenplay is comprehensible as exactly what it is: Four testimonies that do not match. It is human nature to listen to witnesses and decide who is telling the truth, but the first words of the screenplay, spoken by the woodcutter, are "I just don't understand." His problem is that he has heard the same events described by all three participants in three different ways--and all three claim to be the killer. {All of them want to take credit for killing the bad guy, but somebody is lying. And the movie, just like life in America, never tells you who.}

www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-rashomon-1950

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The problem is collective narcissism, which is a thing. Blumpybots don't think for themselves and never have. Like Blumpy, they think of politics as a competition. If they win, they win. Yay, team!

They're oblivious to what they've won, or how it affects them. When it goes to shit, it's the other team's fault. Narcissists don't have the ability to take personal responsibility or admit when they're wrong.

All you have to do is listen to reichwing radio, or a Faux talking head and it's as clear as day.

Totally - it's just a competition and Trump is the coach. Trump rallies are pep rallies, "feel good" even if it's feeling good about hating others. Liberal rallies are more rally, here's what we need to do, and sure, definitely some anger about where we are now.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-corte
z-rally/

07/23/2018

On Saturday evening, Democratic congressional candidate Cori Bush held a rally in celebration of her birthday. Bush, who is running in the Aug. 7 primary against seven-term incumbent William “Lacy” Clay Jr. in Missouri’s First Congressional District (St. Louis), brought in some star power for the event: Democratic socialist and Bronx native Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

Bush’s rally packed a few hundred friends and activists into a bar called the Ready Room in St. Louis, and almost from the moment I walked through the door, I was surrounded by a group of women who were discussing over drinks the reasons they had gotten involved in politics — the two things they all had in common were anger and fear. One even said, “I just couldn’t stand being angry and afraid all the time.”

As the rally kicked off, a series of invited guests took the stage, each sharing the reasons that they supported Bush. Several mentioned the Ferguson protests — which began after police officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014 — and recalled being tear-gassed and arrested alongside Bush.

Others invoked the “Israeli occupation of Palestine” while still others told stories of “woke” grandchildren who asked over pancakes whether ICE was going to come and arrest them.

One even praised the strength and dedication of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur — while Ocasio-Cortez (who was waiting in the wings) and Bush nodded along.

But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.

Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there,

SECOND

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.

Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

Democrats and Republican voters want the same government benefits, with a huge exception: Republicans do NOT want to pay for benefits that go to anybody but themselves. That would be why the GOP always talks of "reforming" Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc. The GOP wants to cut the costs and Republican voters go along with it because some benefits go to people they intensely and instinctively dislike.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:55 PM

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Ironical - who'd want those things for themselves or their families??

Pity (or government aid) would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor.

What Americans need, more than anything, are meaningful jobs at living wages. Not a government teat to latch onto, which disempowers people in their own lives.

Now, there are some areas where government rightfully should step in, such as managing the "commons" and building infrastructure, issuing currency and defending the borders, managing trade and breaking monopolies.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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