Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?
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Senators leave classified briefing on Trump's Syria policy 'very unnerved'
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Lawmakers emerged from a classified administration briefing expressing concern about administration policy on Syria and the legal justification for last week's military strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad.
"I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path", without offering details. . . .
Trump Administration officials briefing the lawmakers restated their argument that Article 2 of the Constitution, which makes the president commander of the armed forces. But many lawmakers feel the President needs congressional approval and used the hearing to argue for passage of a new Authorization of Military Force.
Rep. John Garamendi, a California Republican, argued that Article 2 is too broad, and he was concerned it could be used for additional action in other regions, saying to reporters, "that justification allows the President to wage war anywhere, anytime, anyplace he might want to, by simply saying it's in the national security interests."
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Rep. John Garamendi, a California Republican, argued that Article 2 is too broad, and he was concerned it could be used for additional action in other regions, saying to reporters, "that justification allows the President to wage war anywhere, anytime, anyplace he might want to, by simply saying it's in the national security interests."
"Could be used"?????
Maybe it's time something is finally done about this, huh?
For those with short attention spans, Trump will be the third President in a row to abuse Article 2. Why is congress so worthless?
Instead of blaming this on Republicans running the entire show again, why don't we add this to the list of things that Democrats should do something about the next time they're in control of things?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Just to be pellucidly clear.
For those withshort attention spansa delusional case of partisanship, Trump will be the third President in a row ... ONE OF WHOM WAS A DEMOCRAT ... to abuse Article 2.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Just to be pellucidly clear.
For those withshort attention spansa delusional case of partisanship, Trump will be the third President in a row ... ONE OF WHOM WAS A DEMOCRAT ... to abuse Article 2.
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One of whom was a Democrat who won the Nobel Peace Prize during a two year time period where the Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate, yet there was still nothing done to rein in Presidential abuse of Article 2 that has been a constant for almost all of my adult life now.
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-putin-and-assad-wanted
Trump’s Bombing Campaign In Syria Is Exactly What Putin And Assad Wanted
By James Miller
The world looked on in horror nearly this month as videos emerged from the Damascus suburb of Douma showing what many experts suspected was yet another chemical weapons attack against civilians. As many as 70 people may have been killed in this latest incident , though questions remain because Russia has blocked experts from The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) from entering the site for more than three days, creating a fear of a cover up.
In response, on Friday, April 13, the people of Damascus frantically reported what sounded like “World War III”. The United States, France, and Britain launched 105 cruise missiles at three locations reportedly linked to the Syrian government’s production of chemical weapons. Two locations just west of Homs - the Him Shinshar chemical weapons storage site and bunker - and one location in the heart of Damascus - the Barzeh weapons research facility - were flattened by the coalition in response to the latest chemical weapons attack launched by the Assad regime.
But while alarmists and propagandists across the globe warned that such a bold move could turn the new cold war between Russia and the west into a hot one, the reality is that these strikes were extremely limited. Worse yet, the largest effect they will have is to strengthen the rhetorical position of the Russian and Syrian regime, without having any noticeable negative impact on their operational capabilities.
To see this dynamic we need only compare the pictures of the aftermath to the reports from the Syrian regime’s media. Lieutenant General Kenneth f. McKenzie, the director of the Pentagon’s Joint Staff, said that “by hitting Barzah, we have hit the heart of the Syrian chemical weapons programme", and General Joseph E. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the Homs strikes destroyed “the primary location of Syrian sarin and precursor production equipment”, as well as “both a chemical weapons storage facility and an important command post”. The pictures released by the U.S. military, however, show that the strikes have eliminated perhaps half a dozen buildings between the three sites that were struck.
Therefore, the real message being sent - again - by U.S. President Donald Trump and the rest of the West is that the world does not care about the Syrian regime’s daily air and artillery strikes against the people of Syria. The world is not concerned that Russia has greatly intensified that violence with the addition of its sophisticated aircraft and private military contractors. The world is not responding to the Iranian takeover of a foreign nation nor its supporting role in the torture and detention of citizens there. The only thing that matters is that no chemical weapons are used in these processes, and if chemical weapons are used, then only sites pertaining to chemical weapons will be destroyed.
On the other hand, the U.S.-led strikes help bolster a major talking point in Russian, Syrian, and Iranian propaganda - that the United States is a meddling foreign empire, and an adversary to those nations which do not subscribe to its worldviews. Russian President Vladimir Putin, Syrian President Bashar Assad, and the hardliners in Iran all maintain their power by pushing a consistent narrative - that despite the best intentions of their own countries and governments, the United States is an ideological, economic, and sometimes military aggressor and an existential threat to the people of Russia, Syria, Iran and elsewhere. In the days before and after these air strikes, the domestic media in all of these countries, particularly state-controlled propaganda outlets, cited the airstrikes as proof of this theory. These strikes, therefore, politically strengthened these regimes without militarily weakening them.
In the weeks before this new use of chemical weapons, regula
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Yup. It shouldn't have been done.
To be fair, if it wasn't done, the Left would have found a reason to attack Trump for standing back and doing nothing as well.
I'm pretty pissed they did it, seeing as how it was a lose-lose situation for him either way.
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SIX- I was disappointed with the missile launches too. But as I thought about it, I came to the idea that Trump's arms were being twisted, not only by the deep state in the USA but also by the deep state in the UK and France, and that he chose the least bad option.
The President isn't an all-powerful position, or at least it wasn't designed that way. There are political exigencies that he (or she) has to respond to. Even FDR, patron saint of Democrats, lost a few bruising battles in Congress and the Supreme Court and took some actions - like using troops to break a coal strike during WWII and using patriotism as the excuse ...
Quote:http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/050243.html
I have placed authority for the resumption of coal mining in the hands of a civilian, the Secretary of the Interior. If it becomes necessary to protect any miner who seeks patriotically to go back and work, then that miner must have and his family must have -- and will have -- complete and adequate protection. If it becomes necessary to have troops at the mine mouths or in coal towns for the protection of working miners and their families, those troops will be doing police duty for the sake of the nation as a whole ... Tonight, in the fact of a crisis of serious proportions in the coal industry, I say again that the spirit or this nation is good. I know that the American people will not tolerate any threat offered to their Government by anyone. I believe the coal miners will not continue the strike against their (the) Government. I believe that the coal miners (themselves) as Americans will not fail to heed the clear call to duty. Like all other good Americans, they will march shoulder to shoulder with their armed forces to victory.
Given everything, this may have been the best that Trump could do.
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Did anyone notice that even tho so-called Chemical Weapons facilities were bombed, no clouds of toxic gases were released? It seems to me that if these facilities were in any way involved the production and storage of chemical weapons ... weapons of the quantity that could be used in a chemical attack .... you would have seen SOME toxic releases.
Here's an example of what you MIGHT have seen: Do you recall the crash of an El Al (Israeli) airline into a Dutch tenement?
It was a very weired investigation: Much like 9-11, videotaped evidence was deleted, as were investigators notes and interviews. The cargo manifest was secret. But victims at the crash site complained for YEARS that they got sick from the crash; it wasn't until about eight years later that a whistleblower leaked a photocopy of the manifest, which showed that three of four Sarin precursors were loaded on that plane bound for Israel. This crash and investigation did several things:
It revealed Israel's CHEMICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM.
It showed how far the Dutch government was willing to keep its collusion with Israel secret, shredding the interviews and confiscating reporters records, even allowing their own beloved Queen Beatrix to wander among the fire hoses and runoff to demonstrate that the site was "safe"
It showed that even the heat and flames of a fiery crash can't destroy chemical weapons precursors from affecting the nearby neighborhood.
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Quote:Signym, you are a liar. Trump had decided immediately that it was a Chemical Attack. Nobody twisted his arm, there wasn't time, to force Trump to come to that conclusion.
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SIX- I was disappointed with the missile launches too. But as I thought about it, I came to the idea that Trump's arms were being twisted, not only by the deep state in the USA but also by the deep state in the UK and France, and that he chose the least bad option.
www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Syrian-Chemical-Weapons-Act
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...
6:00 AM - 8 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982966315467116544
....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!
6:04 AM - 8 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982967389028569088
If President Obama had crossed his stated Red Line In The Sand, the Syrian disaster would have ended long ago! Animal Assad would have been history!
6:12 AM - 8 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982969547283161090
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
3:57 AM - 11 Apr 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520
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Did SECOND post something? I wouldn't know, I scrolled past it, because SECOND's posts are ALWAYS twisted by hate and bias.
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Did SECOND post something? I wouldn't know, I scrolled past it, because SECOND's posts are ALWAYS twisted by hate and bias.
Yep - he posted a bunch of Trump's tweets, which you are right, are ALWAYS twisted by hate and bias.
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