Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?
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I just noticed I missed the byline underneath the sub-title of the article you linked where the author calls himself a "Opinion Contributor".
Sure, but I think you miss the point of me posting that article. Kiki asked why Assad would be gassing his own people. Any answer to that is going to be 'opinion', I think you'll find. I answered with an article giving one theory, I can think of a few more.
The point is there are explanations for it, that make some sense. Much more sense than the rebels gassing themselves* dozens of times to 'frame Assad', and the UN, OPCW etc. going along with it.
*Yes, kiki, rebels have been victims of these attacks as well as civilians - check your own HRW link
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Oh yeah, HRW... the one that so dishonestly claimed "massacre" in Libya.
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This post is called: "Are we detecting a pattern yet?" by Signym. Signym, I think I see a pattern that was laid out in a spreadsheet ( https://goo.gl/KdBpxQ ):
Lawmakers who supported the Syrian airstrikes are all Republican. There was one dingbat Democrat, Conor Lamb from Pennsylvania, whose position was unclear. Trump was very clear when he said he was motivated to authorize last Friday’s military action by the “evil and despicable” chemical attack launched by the government in the town of Douma a week earlier. He spoke of “mothers and fathers, infants and children thrashing in pain and gasping for air” and called Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad a “monster.” Trump did not wait for the inspectors to report what they found in Syria. As of today there is still no report.
https://thinkprogress.org/members-of-congress-support-ban-syrian-refug
ees-and-april-2018-airstrikes-39b84eca2cd2/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
I just noticed I missed the byline underneath the sub-title of the article you linked where the author calls himself a "Opinion Contributor".
Sure, but I think you miss the point of me posting that article. Kiki asked why Assad would be gassing his own people. Any answer to that is going to be 'opinion', I think you'll find. I answered with an article giving one theory, I can think of a few more.
The point is there are explanations for it, that make some sense. Much more sense than the rebels gassing themselves* dozens of times to 'frame Assad', and the UN, OPCW etc. going along with it.
Well, sure. Any answer to the entire situation is going to be opinion and speculation because none of us know what happened, let alone the true motivations behind it.
I understand the point of why you posted the article. It is because you've already made up your mind that Assad did it. Like it or not, at this point that is only an opinion. And, judging by the current Administration's actions, it's one that Trump believes to be true as well, or at least he's doing a fine job in maintaining the status quo that I thought I was voting against.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:But many, many times, the rebels are NOT victims of chemicals attacks. They seem to be uniquely spared. What do you make of those instances?
*Yes, kiki, rebels have been victims of these attacks as well as civilians - check your own HRW link
your argument is a logical fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization
Hasty generalization
Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a rushed conclusion without considering all of the variables. In statistics, it may involve basing broad conclusions regarding the statistics of a survey from a small sample group that fails to sufficiently represent an entire population.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-21/germanys-largest-public-tv-n
ews-broadcaster-syria-chemical-attack-most-likely
Yeah OK, the Russians did it.
JJ
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Do you dispute any of the specifics in the story?
Or are you completely fused to propagandist statements?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-22/beware-white-helmets-bearing
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-21/opcw-chemical-inspection-tea
m-reaches-douma-after-issuing-statement-negating-russia
In an official statement posted to its website, the OPCW confirmed the following:
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-team-visit
s-douma-syria/?utm_source=hootsuite
The Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited one of the sites in Douma, Syrian Arab Republic today to collect samples for analysis in connection with allegations of chemical weapons use on 7 April 2018. The OPCW will evaluate the situation and consider future steps including another possible visit to Douma.
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However, in spite of multiple international headlines, Western leaders, and journalists who reside far outside of Syria claiming a chemical cover-up conspiracy in the making, the OPCW in official statements confirmed that they were prevented from visiting Douma not by Syrian or Russian authorities, but by United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS), which has the final say over OPCW movements within Syria.
On Wednesday (April 18) the Director General of the OPCW Ahmet Üzümcü, issued a statement which proved the "Syria/Russia hiding evidence" theory false:
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-alert-update-on-the-deployment
-of-the-opcw-fact-finding-mission-to-douma-syria/
On 16 April, we received confirmation from the National Authority of the Syrian Arab Republic that, under agreements reached to allow the evacuation of the population in Ghouta, the Syrian military were unable to enter Douma. The security for the sites where the FFM plans to deploy was under the control of the Russian Military Police. The United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) has made the necessary arrangements with the Syrian authorities to escort the team to a certain point and then for the escort to be taken over by the Russian Military Police. However, the UNDSS preferred to first conduct a reconnaissance visit to the sites, which took place yesterday. FFM team members did not participate in this visit.
On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw. At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus.
Though the OPCW statement further acknowledged the area to be a "highly volatile environment" fraught with "security risks" - a number of journalists actually made it into Douma early in the week prior to the OPCW team's arrival.
Some among this early group of journalists which gained entry to the site, such as the UK Independent's Robert Fisk and One America News Network's Pearson Sharp found no evidence that a chemical attack took place in Douma, contrary to what's been widely reported in international media.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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