Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?
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UPDATED: Friday, May 24, 2024 23:09
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According GWB and his entire administration, in messages repeated ad nauseum, Saddm had WMD. There was, of course, very little actual evidence behind it. And even tho Hans Blix and UNMOVIC were scouring the Iraqi countryside looking for exactly that (and finding nothing) that didn't stop the west from invading Iraq on specious claims.
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Obama draws a "red line" about chemical weapons in Syria in 2012, and a year later, EVEN AS UN CHEMICAL WEAPONS INSPECTORS ARE IN SYRIA, Assad supposedly launches a chemical attack on Ghouta, triggering a crisis.
Then, as Syrian and Russian forces are achieving battlefield success and pressuring the so-called moderate rebels into accepting de-escalation zones, Assad supposedly launches yet another chemical weapons attack, this time in Kahn Shaykhun, using a type of chemical weapon that had been supposedly purged from Syria. This attack de-legitimizes the Astana peace process, prompts a barrage of missile launches form the USA, and prolongs the proxy war in Syria.
Meanwhile, Russia, under tremendous pressure from the west due to sanctions, oil price war, attack on the ruble, and accusations from the west, allegedly poisons a former spy in the UK using a chemical weapon that could "only" have come from Russia, the UK press says. This event brings NATO together and prompts even more sanctions on Russia.
And now, right on the heels of the Skripal poisoning and immediately after Trump declares that US troops will pull out of Syria, Russia (or Assad) supposedly launches YET ANOTHER chemical attack. This attack could only cause US troops to stay on in Syria even longer than Trump might have planned.
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So, is Russia just obstinately and stupidly defiant, continuing to shoot itself in the foot over and over? Or is something else going on?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According GWB and his entire administration, in messages repeated ad nauseum, Saddm had WMD. There was, of course, very little actual evidence behind it. And even tho Hans Blix and UNMOVIC were scouring the Iraqi countryside looking for exactly that (and finding nothing) that didn't stop the west from invading Iraq on specious claims.
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Obama draws a "red line" about chemical weapons in Syria in 2012, and a year later, EVEN AS UN CHEMICAL WEAPONS INSPECTORS ARE IN SYRIA, Assad supposedly launches a chemical attack on Ghouta, triggering a crisis.
Then, as Syrian and Russian forces are achieving battlefield success and pressuring the so-called moderate rebels into accepting de-escalation zones, Assad supposedly launches yet another chemical weapons attack, this time in Kahn Shaykhun, using a type of chemical weapon that had been supposedly purged from Syria. This attack de-legitimizes the Astana peace process, prompts a barrage of missile launches form the USA, and prolongs the proxy war in Syria.
Meanwhile, Russia, under tremendous pressure from the west due to sanctions, oil price war, attack on the ruble, and accusations from the west, allegedly poisons a former spy in the UK using a chemical weapon that could "only" have come from Russia, the UK press says. This event brings NATO together and prompts even more sanctions on Russia.
And now, right on the heels of the Skripal poisoning and immediately after Trump declares that US troops will pull out of Syria, Russia (or Assad) supposedly launches YET ANOTHER chemical attack. This attack could only cause US troops to stay on in Syria even longer than Trump might have planned.
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So, is Russia just obstinately and stupidly defiant, continuing to shoot itself in the foot over and over? Or is something else going on?
Yes, Russia is that stupid. Too often people look for or assume that behind such things there's some Deep Logic or Great Cunning, when it's more likely a Confederacy of Dunces at work.
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What about the drumbeat of "WMD IN IRAQ!" ? Do you remember that? It was non-stop, from every corner of the federal government. But it was completely untrue. Do you need further proof that our government will propagandize us into war?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:If people have the memory capacity of a goldfish (and that's an insult to goldfish everywhere) that can only advantage advertisers, politicians, and the deep state.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
What about the drumbeat of "WMD IN IRAQ!" ? Do you remember that? It was non-stop, from every corner of the federal government. But it was completely untrue. Do you need further proof that our government will propagandize us into war?
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And people's memory, and more important, attention span are ...
... oh look! Shiny!
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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So, let's look at the reporting so far, with comments from me.
This is from Reuters.
Quote:You will note that BOTH the USA and Russia blocked attempts to set up an investigation. Why?
Moscow and Washington [BOTH] halted attempts by each other in the U.N. Security Council to set up international investigations into chemical weapons attacks in Syria, which is in the throes of a seven-year-oldcivilPROXY war.
Also, although the MSM has consistently called this a "civil" war, due to the heavy presence of foreign fighters and foreign support, this has never been a "civil war", it is a PROXY WAR, with western powers teaming up with the Gulf States and takfiris/ terrorists to achieve the "Assad must go" endpoint. PLEASE NOTE THAT ASSAD WAS ELECTED, IS A SECULAR LEADER, AND IS STILL THE UNITED NATIONS-RECOGNIZED HEAD OF SYRIA, so any attempt to destroy the Syrian government is, by UN definition, a war crime.
Funny that the MSM never seems to mention all of that.
Quote:So, the west is willing to "punish" a leader for an action that (1) not only has no responsibility been determined, but (2) the event itself has not yet been confirmed?? I would say that is a curious state of affairs, but given the history of the west, it's pretty much par for the course.
U.S. President Donald Trump and Western allies are discussing possible military action to punish Assad for a suspected poison gas attack on Saturday on a rebel-held town that long had held out against government forces.
Quote:Well, at least they're waiting to figure out who was responsible! Now, how are they going to do THAT?
Trump on Tuesday canceled a planned trip to Latin America later this week to focus instead on responding to the Syria incident, the White House said. Trump had on Monday warned of a quick, forceful response once responsibility for the Syria attack was established.
Quote:I wonder what the significant differences were between the resolutions, and what each side found objectionable. That would be a nice bit of reporting ...
On the diplomatic front, the United Nations Security Council failed to approve three draft resolutions on chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Russia vetoed a U.S. text, while two Russian-drafted resolutions failed to get a minimum nine votes to pass.
Quote:Also, what did Moscow veto? If they're going to bring it up, they should explain it.
Moscow opposes any Western strike on its close ally Assad and has vetoed Security Council action on Syria 12 times since the conflict started.
Quote:Well, Haley is a John Bolton clone, and everyone knows that John Bolton is a warmonger par excellence.
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley told the Security Council that adopting the U.S.-drafted resolution was the least that member nations could do.
“History will record that, on this day, Russia chose protecting a monster over the lives of the Syrian people,” Haley said, referring to Assad. At least 60 people were killed and more than 1,000 injured in Saturday’s suspected chemical weapons attack on the town of Douma, according to a Syrian relief group.
Quote:Well, I don't expect the injured to be consistent in their reports, but .... which is it? Chlorine? Or nerve gas?
Doctors and witnesses have said victims showed symptoms of poisoning, possibly by a nerve agent, and reported the smell of chlorine gas.
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Russian U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said Washington’s decision to put forward its resolution could be a prelude to a Western strike on Syria.
“I would once again ask you, once again beseech you, to refrain from the plans that you’re currently developing for Syria,” he said after the council failed to approve a third draft resolution on chemical weapons attacks in Syria.
Again, what were the significant differences between the resolutions?
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To neocons, every geopolitical confrontation is a replay of WWII, and stopping Hitler.
To Kiki and Siggy, every geopolitical confrontation is a replay of Iraq, and our governments lying to us to drumbeat for war.
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Originally posted by kpo:
To neocons, every geopolitical confrontation is a replay of WWII, and stopping Hitler.
To Kiki and Siggy, every geopolitical confrontation is a replay of Iraq, and our governments lying to us to drumbeat for war.
And neoliberals have the short term memory of an Alzheimer's patient.
It's a necessary character trait they must possess, otherwise they would have to face their own hypocrisy every single day.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya
To Kiki and Siggy, every geopolitical confrontation is a replay ofIraq
Quote:Yanno KRAPO, since Korea I can't think of a single military nation-destruction that the USA engaged in that WASN'T preceded by a blizzard of lies.
and our governments lying to us to drumbeat for war.- KRAPO
Can you?
Name one.
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Trump was ranting about Syria before dawn this morning. Signym and 1kiki voted for Trump:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984017894240604161
So much Fake News about what is going on in the White House. Very calm and calculated with a big focus on open and fair trade with China, the coming North Korea meeting and, of course, the vicious gas attack in Syria. Feels great to have Bolton & Larry K on board.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984022625440747520
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
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