Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?
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Quote:Edited to add... That's why they're called "terrorists". If someone is willing to saw off human heads with a dull knife, or burn women alive in cages, or serially blow off dozens of human heads with chained explosives ... does anyone think that they would hesitate to gas a few people?
"The "Syrian Rebels" have according to Russia and her defenders, gassed themselves how many times, because why?"
They don't gas themselves. They gas civilians. - KIKI
BINGO- SIGNY
SECOND: I don't give a fuck how you feel. There are more important things going on than your outraged sense of entitlement and your permanent grotch. CLEARLY, you have no interest in truth, no empathy for anyone else, and you have the ethics of a tapeworm. I, too, will be scrolling past your posts from now on.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
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Originally posted by second:
“We are experiencing a dangerous time in our country,” Comey writes, “with a political environment where basic facts are disputed, fundamental truth is questioned, lying is normalized and unethical behavior is ignored, excused or rewarded.”
Nobody knows what the truth is anymore. The truth has become entirely subjective.
This is from decades of politicians hiding secrets and outright lying to the people, and is exacerbated by 24 hour "News" networks that have gone totally to their equal and opposite fringe sides, leaving most of us wondering just WTF is actually real.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Edited to add... That's why they're called "terrorists". If someone is willing to saw off human heads with a dull knife, or burn women alive in cages, or serially blow off dozens of human heads with chained explosives ... does anyone think that they would hesitate to gas a few people?
"The "Syrian Rebels" have according to Russia and her defenders, gassed themselves how many times, because why?"
They don't gas themselves. They gas civilians. - KIKI
BINGO- SIGNY
SECOND: I don't give a fuck how you feel. There are more important things going on than your outraged sense of entitlement and your permanent grotch. CLEARLY, you have no interest in truth, no empathy for anyone else, and you have the ethics of a tapeworm. I, too, will be scrolling past your posts from now on.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876]
Yeah, great guys, but we all know the Russians did it.
JJ
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Originally posted by second:
“We are experiencing a dangerous time in our country,” Comey writes, “with a political environment where basic facts are disputed, fundamental truth is questioned, lying is normalized and unethical behavior is ignored, excused or rewarded.”
Quote:That's why EVIDENCE is so important. And while I don't trust any agency entirely, I trust the OPCW far more than any western government cabal. Because the governments have a known history of lying to us, ESPECIALLY when they want to gin up a war. The OPCW has yet to create a bad history.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody knows what the truth is anymore. The truth has become entirely subjective.
This is from decades of politicians hiding secrets and outright lying to the people, and is exacerbated by 24 hour "News" networks that have gone totally to their equal and opposite fringe sides, leaving most of us wondering just WTF is actually real.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I ran across an article in CNN that boggled my mind, but I went past it to look at it later. This was the gist of the topic: syria douma evidence so secret even congress can't see it. Now it's gone. Scrubbed so thoroughly Google doesn't find it.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
“We are experiencing a dangerous time in our country,” Comey writes, “with a political environment where basic facts are disputed, fundamental truth is questioned, lying is normalized and unethical behavior is ignored, excused or rewarded.”
Quote:That's why EVIDENCE is so important. And while I don't trust any agency entirely, I trust the OPCW far more than any western government cabal. Because the governments have a known history of lying to us, ESPECIALLY when they want to gin up a war. The OPCW has yet to create a bad history.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody knows what the truth is anymore. The truth has become entirely subjective.
This is from decades of politicians hiding secrets and outright lying to the people, and is exacerbated by 24 hour "News" networks that have gone totally to their equal and opposite fringe sides, leaving most of us wondering just WTF is actually real.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I ran across an article in CNN that boggled my mind, but I went past it to look at it later. This was the gist of the topic: syria douma evidence so secret even congress can't see it. Now it's gone. Scrubbed so thoroughly Google doesn't find it.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
I can't even think of the last time any evidence for anything has ever been provided. Probably not in my lifetime, or at least in my adult life since I paid it any mind.
I worked for a retired house rep for two years in '99 and 2000. I met a LOT of politicians and knew the States Attorney on a first name basis. My boss trusted me more than he did his wife, and I had a brief look behind the curtain. What I saw was low level stuff. I can only imagine that the bigger the fish get that it only grows exponentially behind the scenes.
These fucking people sign their own checks and vote for their own raises and retirement plans. Sometimes they get caught doing something extraordinarily stupid and they're offered up as sacrificial lambs but it doesn't fix anything. There's always somebody twice as corrupt waiting to fill the vacancy at any time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:1kiki, your summary is fucking pointless since the inspectors are unable to access the Douma site, until the Russians are ready.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to summarize the situation -
Syria Invites OPCW to Investigate Alleged Chemical Attack in Douma
APRIL 10, 2018, 9:58 A.M. E.D.T.
reposted from Reuters
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/10/world/middleeast/10reuters-
mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-investigation.html
OPCW inspectors head to suspected Syria gas attack site in Douma
Apr 13, 2018
reposted from AP
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/13/world/opcw-inspectors-hea
d-suspected-syria-gas-attack-site-douma/#.WtPdiXZXais
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syri
a-attack.html
APRIL 13, 2018
U.S., Britain and France Strike Syria Over Suspected Chemical Weapons Attack
OPCW Mission Arrives in Damascus to Probe Alleged Douma Chemical Attack
13:55 14.04.2018
https://sputniknews.com/world/201804141063554885-opcw-syria-douma-chem
ical-weapons-probe/
OPCW inspectors set to investigate site of Douma chemical attack
Sun 15 Apr 2018 12.49 EDT
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/opcw-inspectors-set-to-i
nvestigate-site-of-douma-chemical-attack
Fortunately, it looks like the OPCW team in Syria is made of sterner stuff than Hans Blix in Iraq, and the team will be at work in Douma, despite US bombing.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
Russia’s deputy foreign minister said the delay was due to the US-led missile strikes. That makes him a liar, since the attack was days ago. The foreign ministry also fiercely denied that Russia is tampering with the site. If only there were inspectors there, the deputy foreign minister could be proved to be a liar.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/syria-chemical-attack-inspectors
-unable-to-access-douma-site
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The "Syrian Rebels" have according to Russia and her defenders, gassed themselves how many times, because why?"
They don't gas themselves. They gas civilians.
BINGO
Yeah, sorry to disturb your little conspiracy circle jerk, but here's 27 cases documented by the UN blaming the Syrian government for chemicals weapons attacks:
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/IICISyria/Pages/Documentation.asp
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Full report here:
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoISyria/A_HRC_36_55
_EN.docx
"Between March 2013 and March 2017, the Commission documented 25 incidents of chemical weapons use in the Syrian Arab Republic, of which 20 were perpetrated by government forces and used primarily against civilians."
Full methodology of the UN and OPCW in their investigations discussed here: http://undocs.org/S/2017/904
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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/16/602823635/chemical-
weapons-inspectors-havent-reached-douma-finger-pointing-has-begun
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said that a team of nine inspectors arrived in Damascus on Saturday, after it was invited by Syria and Russia to investigate the apparent chemical attack just over a week ago on on Douma, a suburb of Damascus that has been held by rebels.
The Director-General of the OPCW, Ahmet Üzümcü, told representatives Monday that team members have met with Syrian officials in Damascus.
But they haven't gotten into Douma, about 11 miles away.
"The Syrian and Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the [Fact-Finding Mission] Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place," Üzümcü said.
They're not quite there yet. We'll see how long the delay is.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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AND THEN there's the US State Department warning about ISIS and affiliated groups using chemical weapons.
https://sy.usembassy.gov/security-message-u-s-citizens-travel-warning-
syria/
"Tactics of ISIS, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, and other violent extremist groups include the use of suicide bombers, kidnapping, small and heavy arms, improvised explosive devices, and chemical weapons."
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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AND THEN there's the US State Department warning about ISIS and affiliated groups using chemical weapons.
"But ISIS are just as bad as the Syrian government."
Is that your defense, lol. Yeah, we're already bombing ISIS, moonbeam.
Or are you suggesting that, although the Syrian regime has carried out over two dozen other chemical attacks, it may not have carried out this one?
That's a pretty laughable position...
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