Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said that a team of nine inspectors arrived in Damascus on Saturday, after it was invited by Syria and Russia to investigate the apparent chemical attack just over a week ago on on Douma, a suburb of Damascus that has been held by rebels.

So Douma is where the Rebels are and where the chemical attack happened... It's like a puzzle with 2 pieces. Let's see if you can put them together.

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:16 AM

"and where the chemical attack happened" and where no 'rebels' were reported killed. Let's not forget that.

Maybe YOU can put the facts together.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:15 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
"But ISIS are just as bad as the Syrian government."

Is that your defense, lol. Yeah, we're already bombing ISIS, moonbeam.

Or are you suggesting that, although the Syrian regime has carried out over two dozen other chemical attacks, it may not have carried out this one?

That's a pretty laughable position...

How Many Chemical Attacks Have Been Documented In Syria? - https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/04/16/how-many-chemica
l-attacks-have-been-documented-in-syria-infographic/ While Human Rights Watch has reported 85 chemical attacks in Syria since 2013 ...

By some accounts then, 58 attacks haven't been attributed to anybody.

So, let's go over your childish notions. The Syrian government is winning the war. It has absolutely no reason to carry out a chemical attack. Furthermore, that attack seemed to get a lot of civilians, but no rebels - not only not furthering a military goal already in sight, but creating internal and external problems for the government.
Meanwhile, the 'rebels', already widely known for gross atrocities on civilians (beheading people with dull knives, burning girls alive in cages, etc) and known by the US State Department to use crude chemical weapons like chlorine and Sarin, are supposed to be innocent of targeting civilians (in an attack that magically spared their comrades).

Do you really think that makes sense?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SECOND

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:09 AM

International weapons inspectors say Syria and Russia have blocked them from entering the site of a chemical attack in Douma. But CBS News' Seth Doane got inside the city on Monday, and spoke with victims of the attack.

The inspectors, from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, arrived in Syria on Saturday with the urgent goal of investigating the site of the April 7 attack in the Damascus suburb of Douma, which killed dozens.

But 48 hours later the inspectors were prevented from reaching the site, which Syrian and Russian forces have captured from rebels.

The inspectors, who wanted to take samples and interview people, “are currently being prevented from doing so by the regime and the Russians,” Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain said in Parliament.

Russia — which has questioned whether the Douma attack even happened — ridiculed the Western accusation, asserting that the United Nations had exercised its authority to delay the inspectors for security reasons.

The United Nations disputed the Russian explanation, saying it had no security issues and wanted the inspectors to reach the site quickly.

When, or even whether, the inspectors would be allowed unfettered access to the site remained unclear Monday night, despite Russian and Syrian promises of cooperation.

Senior Russian diplomats said it was the United Nations, not Syria or Russia, that had prevented inspectors from entering Douma. “The problem was the absence of the U.N. secretariat security department’s approval for O.P.C.W. experts to visit Douma,” Sergei A. Ryabkov, deputy foreign minister of Russia, told reporters, according to the news agency Interfax.

But a spokesman for the United Nations, Stéphane Dujarric, said the United Nations had given the inspectors “all the necessary clearances.”

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/world/middleeast/syria-douma-chemical-attac
k.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by second:
~~International weapons inspectors~~ Theresa May says Syria and Russia have blocked them from entering the site of a chemical attack in Douma.

Neither your video nor your link say the INSPECTORS are being quoted. In fact, what's being echoed are the claims of POLITICIANS. In contrast, what the OPCW said was this:

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The Director-General of the OPCW, Ahmet Üzümcü, told representatives Monday that team members have met with Syrian officials in Damascus.
"The Syrian and Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the [Fact-Finding Mission] Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place," Üzümcü said.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SECOND

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
~~International weapons inspectors~~ Theresa May says Syria and Russia have blocked them from entering the site of a chemical attack in Douma.
Neither your video nor your link say the INSPECTORS are being quoted. In fact, what's being echoed are the claims of POLITICIANS. In contrast, what the OPCW said was this:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The Director-General of the OPCW, Ahmet Üzümcü, told representatives Monday that team members have met with Syrian officials in Damascus.
"The Syrian and Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the [Fact-Finding Mission] Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place," Üzümcü said.

You give worthless answers, 1kiki. You didn't understand that video, did you? A CBS reporter sneaked in without Russian permission, looked around the building where he was told people were poisoned, looked at some photos of dead people, looked at a hole in the top floor with a steel cylinder laying partially in that hole, looked at a bucket full of home-made hand grenades, came back out, and there is no pending security issue except in the imagination of the Russians. Before you give another worthless answer, there are NO pending security issues - the Russians are lying. The reporter walked all over the place. The inspectors could do the same, despite what Russians say, but only if inspectors could sneak in the same way the reporter did. Except there will be nothing to find because the chlorine gas has evaporated. The next step is to autopsy the dead. If the bodies have been buried for two weeks, rather than refrigerated, there won't be anything to find because their lungs will have decomposed. Then the Russians will smirk and say, "You can't prove anything." Mission Accomplished.

www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp172-c1.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:10 AM

So instead of 'believing' Theresa May in her pronouncement, you 'believe' a reporter who examined perhaps 400 square feet.

Jihadists have been entrenched there for a long time. Can YOU say for certain there are no booby traps, no IEDs, no left-over jihadists waiting for one last shot (literally) at paradise?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:58 PM

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only if inspectors could sneak in the same way the reporter did. Except there will be nothing to find because the chlorine gas has evaporated.- SECONDRATE

AH, the joys of being a chemist.

SECONDRATE, have you ever done laundry? Probably not: You depend on your female wetbacks for that. (I would expand that to: Have you ever done anything useful or productive in your life? Probably not: You're feeling too sorry for yourself to bestir yourself in that direction. But, I digress...)

Have you ever used bleach? Have you ever dripped some on your jeans? Have you ever found a whitened spot where the bleach dripped?

Hmm... The active ingredient in bleach is the active ingredient in chlorine gas: chlorine is a powerful oxidizer, and it attacks reactive molecules first - the kind that make up dyes and natural colors. Chlorine (gas or liquid) bleaches whatever it comes in contact with, so even if the gas disappears, the bleaching stays behind.

So, to make the point absolutely clear so that even the densest can't escape it: Chlorine gas leaves a signature bleaching that can't be reversed.

The Magic Eightball says TRY AGAIN.

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The Syrian government is winning the war.

For the last 7 years they've been "winning."

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: Furthermore, that attack seemed to get a lot of civilians, but no rebels - not only not furthering a military goal already in sight, but creating internal and external problems for the government.

You can't seriously be looking for common sense or logic in what drives the Medusa that is the Middle East, can you?

So, how would one go about counting Rebel dead anyway? From Assad's pov the number has to be zero or else he admits to using chemical weapons. From the Rebels pov would they want to claim any? Who would count that and confirm it? Perhaps you have evidence of "only civilians dead."

And what's with bringing back years old, 'made the headlines in the US" ISIL terrorist acts? Is that the new line to win over US "news" consumers? I thought Trump said we were done with them anyway, threat over? And finally: is cutting someone's head off with a dull knife somehow worse than using a sharp one? What's up with you and Siggy specifically repeating that odd descriptor?

SECOND

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
only if inspectors could sneak in the same way the reporter did. Except there will be nothing to find because the chlorine gas has evaporated.- SECONDRATE
AH, the joys of being a chemist.

SECONDRATE, have you ever done laundry? Probably not: You depend on your female wetbacks for that. (I would expand that to: Have you ever done anything useful or productive in your life? Probably not: You're feeling too sorry for yourself to bestir yourself in that direction. But, I digress...)

Have you ever used bleach? Have you ever dripped some on your jeans? Have you ever found a whitened spot where the bleach dripped?

Hmm... The active ingredient in bleach is the active ingredient in chlorine gas: chlorine is a powerful oxidizer, and it attacks reactive molecules first - the kind that make up dyes and natural colors. Chlorine (gas or liquid) bleaches whatever it comes in contact with, so even if the gas disappears, the bleaching stays behind.

So, to make the point absolutely clear so that even the densest can't escape it: Chlorine gas leaves a signature bleaching that can't be reversed.

The Magic Eightball says TRY AGAIN.

Syria drops one chlorine cylinder, estimated cost $100, and the Trump fires back:

66 Raytheon Tomahawk cruise missiles, estimated cost of $1.4 million each.

19 Lockheed Martin (LMT) Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles Extended Range, or JASSM-ER, estimated cost of $1.4 million each.

www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/syria-airstrikes-cost-to-us-taxpayers.html

Trump owns an unknown number of shares in Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. Last week, when Trump first heard about a so-called "chemical attack" in Syria, he was ready to go raise his stock prices because that is who he is. And the Russians shot down 71 cruise missiles, which contradicts what the Pentagon said about all cruise missiles hitting the targets. It is the fog of war.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/russia-claims-syria-air-defences
-shot-down-majority-missiles

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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