Chemical weapons: Are we detecting a pattern yet?

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SECOND

Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:21 PM

Trump Ordered Syria Strike Based on a Secret Legal Justification Even Congress Can’t See

On Friday night, Trump ordered the U.S. military to conduct a bombing attack against the government of Syria without congressional authorization. How can this be constitutional, given the fact that Article I, Section 8 of America’s founding document declares that “The Congress shall have Power … To declare War”?

The deeply bizarre and alarming answer is that Trump almost certainly does have some purported legal justification provided to him by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel — but no one else, including Congress, can read it.

. . . the general outlines of Trump’s legal basis for Friday’s bombing are fairly clear. They are also truly extreme. As Jack Goldsmith, one of the heads of the OLC during the Bush administration, has said, it’s a perspective that “places no limit at all on the president’s ability to use significant military force unilaterally.”

That would be bad enough, of course, if everything were out in the open. But at least then it could be debated on specifics, rather than supposition. Instead, we have allowed the Constitution to be eviscerated to the point that not only does the president have nearly unlimited war powers, we can’t even say exactly why.

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/14/donald-trump-ordered-syria-strike-
based-on-a-secret-legal-justification-even-congress-cant-see/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This calls for a Firefly story inspired by the chemical attacks. The Alliance, playing the role of the Russians, wishes to cover up the murder of everyone in Haven, playing the role of a Syrian town in revolt against Damascus. The Operative does not want Haven as a news story on the Central Planets. He drops a 2000 pound bomb on Haven’s reactor, which powers the mines and the homes. The reactor does NOT explode in a huge atomic fireball as expected. This ruins the cover story that the people of Haven accidentally killed themselves because they misused their reactor. The evidence of the Haven massacre was NOT obliterated by a so-called reactor accident. This was because prescient River shutdown the Haven reactor before Serenity left for Miranda. As an extra precaution against the Alliance finding another way to destroy evidence that there was a massacre at Haven, River, who was supposed to be collecting corpses for decorating Serenity as a Reaver ship, moved a few children’s bodies into the mines then blew-up the entrance. The bullet-riddled bodies are still there, and one day will be evidence.

+2 Damn! I really miss that show!

JJ

Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This calls for a Firefly story inspired by the chemical attacks. The Alliance, playing the role of the Russians, wishes to cover up the murder of everyone in Haven, playing the role of a Syrian town in revolt against Damascus. The Operative does not want Haven as a news story on the Central Planets. He drops a 2000 pound bomb on Haven’s reactor, which powers the mines and the homes. The reactor does NOT explode in a huge atomic fireball as expected. This ruins the cover story that the people of Haven accidentally killed themselves because they misused their reactor. The evidence of the Haven massacre was NOT obliterated by a so-called reactor accident. This was because prescient River shutdown the Haven reactor before Serenity left for Miranda. As an extra precaution against the Alliance finding another way to destroy evidence that there was a massacre at Haven, River, who was supposed to be collecting corpses for decorating Serenity as a Reaver ship, moved a few children’s bodies into the mines then blew-up the entrance. The bullet-riddled bodies are still there, and one day will be evidence.

+2 Damn! I really miss that show!

Ditto, and I take great pleasure in that Russia did not survive time and make it into the future.

JJ

SECOND

Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:

Ditto, and I take great pleasure in that Russia did not survive time and make it into the future.

JJ

I see that Putin has made a promise to cause 'chaos' if he does not get his way: Russia's Putin predicts global 'chaos' if West hits Syria again.
www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/russias-putin-predicts
-global-chaos-if-west-hits-syria-again-idUSKBN1HM0BK

Will Putin keep his promise this time to bring chaos? Or is Putin a lying sack of shit, much like his student Donald Trump? It is hard to tell, but recently Russia promised and did not follow through: Russia will shoot down US missiles fired at Syria and retaliate against launch sites, says ambassador
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-us-missiles-syria-
launch-sites-lebanon-zasypkin-putin-a8298941.html

It is too late for Russia to shoot down Tomahawk missiles, but there is still time to sink some US ships and destroy US planes. Hurry, Putin! Hurry! It is almost Monday in Syria. And the NYSE will open. Putin could crash the stock-market if he tries.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JJ

Monday, April 16, 2018 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:

Ditto, and I take great pleasure in that Russia did not survive time and make it into the future.

JJ
I see that Putin has made a promise to cause 'chaos' if he does not get his way: Russia's Putin predicts global 'chaos' if West hits Syria again.
www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/russias-putin-predicts
-global-chaos-if-west-hits-syria-again-idUSKBN1HM0BK

Will Putin keep his promise this time to bring chaos? Or is Putin a lying sack of shit, much like his student Donald Trump? It is hard to tell, but recently Russia promised and did not follow through: Russia will shoot down US missiles fired at Syria and retaliate against launch sites, says ambassador
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-us-missiles-syria-
launch-sites-lebanon-zasypkin-putin-a8298941.html

It is too late for Russia to shoot down Tomahawk missiles, but there is still time to sink some US ships and destroy US planes. Hurry, Putin! Hurry! It is almost Monday in Syria. And the NYSE will open. Putin could crash the stock-market if he tries.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]

The best predictor of Putin is that he will do only what he is allowed to get away with.

JJ

1KIKI

Monday, April 16, 2018 12:51 AM

"There is only two place where evidence is taken seriously and neither are the internet. One is trials. The other is science."

So, you're OK with going along with propaganda. Thanks for letting me know where you're coming from. Now I know how seriously to take you, which is not at all.

I'll be scrolling past you from now on.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

1KIKI

Monday, April 16, 2018 12:53 AM

"The "Syrian Rebels" have according to Russia and her defenders, gassed themselves how many times, because why?"

They don't gas themselves. They gas civilians.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SIGNYM

Monday, April 16, 2018 4:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The "Syrian Rebels" have according to Russia and her defenders, gassed themselves how many times, because why?"

They don't gas themselves. They gas civilians.

BINGO

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SECOND

Monday, April 16, 2018 4:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"There is only two place where evidence is taken seriously and neither are the internet. One is trials. The other is science."

So, you're OK with going along with propaganda. Thanks for letting me know where you're coming from. Now I know how seriously to take you, which is not at all.

I'll be scrolling past you from now on.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

1kiki, you are scrolling past me but I am not okay with you being a lying sack of shit, even under the pseudonym "1kiki", whoever the hell you really are. Signym, Trump and Putin included. Your good buddy and liar Trump fires cruise missiles at Syria because Comey wrote mean, truthful things about him. I expect tiny missiles (on the tiny scale of fff.net) from 1kiki and Signym toward me. To quote Comey on lying: A February 2017 meeting in the White House with Trump and then chief of staff Reince Priebus left Comey recalling his days as a federal prosecutor facing off against the Mob: “The silent circle of assent. The boss in complete control. The loyalty oaths. The us-versus-them worldview. The lying about all things, large and small, in service to some code of loyalty that put the organization above morality and above the truth.” An earlier visit to Trump Tower in January made Comey think about the New York Mafia social clubs he knew as a Manhattan prosecutor in the 1980s and 1990s — “The Ravenite. The Palma Boys. Café Giardino.”

The central themes that Comey returns to throughout this impassioned book are the toxic consequences of lying; and the corrosive effects of choosing loyalty to an individual over truth and the rule of law. Dishonesty, he writes, was central “to the entire enterprise of organized crime on both sides of the Atlantic,” and so, too, were bullying, peer pressure and groupthink — repellent traits shared by Trump and company, he suggests, and now infecting our culture.

“We are experiencing a dangerous time in our country,” Comey writes, “with a political environment where basic facts are disputed, fundamental truth is questioned, lying is normalized and unethical behavior is ignored, excused or rewarded.”

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/books/review/james-comey-a-higher-loyalty.h
tml

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, April 16, 2018 5:32 AM

So - to summarize the situation -

Syria Invites OPCW to Investigate Alleged Chemical Attack in Douma
APRIL 10, 2018, 9:58 A.M. E.D.T.
reposted from Reuters
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/10/world/middleeast/10reuters-
mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-investigation.html

OPCW inspectors head to suspected Syria gas attack site in Douma
Apr 13, 2018
reposted from AP
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/04/13/world/opcw-inspectors-hea
d-suspected-syria-gas-attack-site-douma/#.WtPdiXZXais

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syri
a-attack.html
APRIL 13, 2018
U.S., Britain and France Strike Syria Over Suspected Chemical Weapons Attack

OPCW Mission Arrives in Damascus to Probe Alleged Douma Chemical Attack
13:55 14.04.2018
https://sputniknews.com/world/201804141063554885-opcw-syria-douma-chem
ical-weapons-probe/

OPCW inspectors set to investigate site of Douma chemical attack
Sun 15 Apr 2018 12.49 EDT
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/opcw-inspectors-set-to-i
nvestigate-site-of-douma-chemical-attack

Fortunately, it looks like the OPCW team in Syria is made of sterner stuff than Hans Blix in Iraq, and the team will be at work in Douma, despite US bombing.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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