Deep state. MSM. Trump ...
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We belong to the court of public opinion Second, and we don't have much effect when it comes to our resident Destroyer in Chief. Whoa, there I go again, shooting my mouth off. But this is what it is all about, donating our thoughts to the general milieu. No fault in that. We, as a people, have the right, you know as Americans. It's Constitutionally protected.
But, in a country that values the rule of law, we must await the results of the Special Counsel's investigation, better known as the Witch Hunt. Mueller's appointment marks the second time in our recent history (I never thought I would live to see the likes of this again) that we face a crisis in decency and democracy all rolled into one giant crap-ball. We have a representative, as the leader of the country, who goes around saying (like the cheating husband to his wife) "Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes."
(The above example is in no way a commentary on the life and times of Mr. Trump, but if the shoe fits...)
That one data point you mention may very well be the thing that's enough for most:
DO NOT CONGRATULATE, you would think, would not have to be pointed out to a "normal" leader of the free world. I'm talking about a person using common sense and NOT doing what it has been claimed he did, which is to call and deliberately offer congratulations to a Mafia boss 1) after have taken revenge against a former Russian agent, and 2) Having his political opponents effectively eliminated.
Exactly what a dictator would do to ensure his continued march towards total dominance.
Sometimes I think we're watching a tense spy-thriller movie. No, this is real life.
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I’m sure we’re all glad to know that it’s henceforth official US policy to congratulate autocrats for winning rigged elections. That’s making America great again.
I agree.....with everything you posit.
Mueller is slowly gathering credible evidence, I'm assuming. If not, this has been a complete and utter waste of time. Somehow, from all I've researched on the man, I don't think that the above is so. Mueller is NOT wasting his time. He is taking his time, and I believe it's the way to go. Meanwhile, we continue with our contributions to the court of public opinion. It is all we can do, for the moment.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Mueller is working at the slow speed set by the Federal Courts and Federal elections. If Mueller finishes too quickly and his evidence gathering isn't perfect, his entire investigation would have been pointless because either the GOP Congress will threw his report in the trash or the crooks will be reelected. But I don't have to be slow as Mueller to decide if Trump was colluding with Putin. One data point is enough for me:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
One thing is certain, people in the White House are getting nervous. So much so that somewhat irrational, at least that's what Trump and company want us thinking, behavior is the thought of the day. Now that speaks volumes. Rather peculiar behavior for someone who claims innocence. Still though, we can't jump the gun. Let Mueller and company run it's course because passing judgment at this point is premature.
Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers Tuesday when he congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his reelection — including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” according to officials familiar with the call…..It was not clear whether Trump read the notes, administration officials said. Trump, who initiated the call, opened it with the congratulations for Putin, one person familiar with the conversation said.
I’m sure we’re all glad to know that it’s henceforth official US policy to congratulate autocrats for winning rigged elections. That’s making America great again.
Quote of the Day: “Nice Work, Vlad”
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Acerbic as usual. But why would CC ask the question again, if, as you claim, you previously responded.
Never mind. I withdraw the question.
SGG
Quote:So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I didn't post that Mueller had no evidence. Try to keep up.Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Misrepresentation......that's going around these days. That aside, CC does pose a valid question.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:I'm just counting up how many times you misrepresent my post.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Speaking of honesty, reality, evidence and my problems... I am having this problem getting you to answer a very simple question: do you know what evidence Mueller has? Yes/No?
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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This guy is such a low scumbag snake and isn't worth a moment's time. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on. Respectfully.
SGG
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Originally posted by JO753:
Herez your cheif Deep State story teller in action:
Wuzzup with this 'bought & paid for' fraze that iz so popular in the eko chamber? Iz there sum way uv buying stuff without paying for it that requirez them to add the 'paid for' part?
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Quote:I do a certain amount of calculation, but I look at different numbers than most Americans. For a famous example where my calculation differed from the majority of Americans: Americans turned against the Iraq War because of this number: 4,540
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think Americans have exceptional reactions because they believe themselves, at heart, to be an exceptional people and morally righteous. In this board, it is rare to find anyone who consistently applies the same rules in all directions. WISHY is all hot to trot about prejudice against women and POC, but grants Antifa the right to act with impunity against while males. THUGR is such a strong believer of "freedom" in Russia that he would allow a surveillance state and restrict freedom of speech here at home. GSTRING claims to have the interests of people at heart, but constantly overlooks the massive human rights violations committed by the USA in favor of focusing on someplace far away, over which he has no control.
It's not just a matter of ethical and intellectual rigor, altho that helps. People here really don't see others "over there" as people; there's no emotional connection. They only ally themselves with people that are ideologically convenient, so they can protect that narrative that they're "good people'.
That is the Iraq Coalition's US Military Fatalities
http://icasualties.org/
American fatalities increased slowly. As that number got bigger, more Americans changed their opinion. Once the number got big enough, enough Americans had flipped to opposing the Iraq War. Only then did the war lose some power in minds of Congressmen. The typical Congressman would have never voluntarily changed his mind from his first vote approving the war, but voters forcefully changed his mind for him.
Americans did NOT turn against the Iraq War because of this number: 1,455,590
That is the estimated Iraqi Deaths due to U S. Invasion.
www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq
No matter how big the Iraqi fatalities, it might just as well be zero from the beginning to the end of the war. The number never made it into most American’s calculation of when to stop supporting the war.
The thinking of most Americans about foreign policy has always been the same as during the Iraq War. Deaths of Americans are the only real number. Deaths of foreigners? It is always zero, at least in the minds of a majority of Americans. (As another famous example: Japan would not have been nuked and firebombed if most Americans had cared about children in general. But they really don't. America and Russia would not have built 50,000 atom bombs per country if they cared about children, but they really don't, except their own child.) Congress and the President can do as they please, making as much money as possible and having the most fun in their lives being big shots making life and death decisions, for as long as the American deaths don't get too large to be ignored by the American voters.
More sophisticated people than Congressmen had larger reasons than I did for not supporting the Iraq War:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/11/the-fifty-first-state/302
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Quote:Iraq war could cost US over $2 trillion, says Nobel prize-winning economist
Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders
www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/07/usa.iraq
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Quote:Agreed. But, in addition to the number of fatalities ... which Bush cynically tried to cover up by having American bodies delivered under cover of darkness ... there was the ongoing investigation which DIDN'T find WMD that so many people were frantic about before the war.
I think Americans have exceptional reactions because they believe themselves, at heart, to be an exceptional people and morally righteous. In this board, it is rare to find anyone who consistently applies the same rules in all directions. WISHY is all hot to trot about prejudice against women and POC, but grants Antifa the right to act with impunity against while males. THUGR is such a strong believer of "freedom" in Russia that he would allow a surveillance state and restrict freedom of speech here at home. GSTRING claims to have the interests of people at heart, but constantly overlooks the massive human rights violations committed by the USA in favor of focusing on someplace far away, over which he has no control.
It's not just a matter of ethical and intellectual rigor, altho that helps. People here really don't see others "over there" as people; there's no emotional connection. They only ally themselves with people that are ideologically convenient, so they can protect that narrative that they're "good people'. - SIGNY
I do a certain amount of calculation, but I look at different numbers than most Americans. For a famous example where my calculation differed from the majority of Americans: Americans turned against the Iraq War because of this number: 4,540
That is the Iraq Coalition's US Military Fatalities
http://icasualties.org/
American fatalities increased slowly. As that number got bigger, more Americans changed their opinion. Once the number got big enough, enough Americans had flipped to opposing the Iraq War. Only then did the war lose some power in minds of Congressmen.- SECOND
Quote:So, the voting public DOES make a difference, in your view?
The typical Congressman would have never voluntarily changed his mind from his first vote approving the war, but voters forcefully changed his mind for him.- SECOND
Quote:Agreed. They only care about who the media tells them to care about, and only as long as the media reminds them to care: The hurricane victims, the mass shooting victims ... But the next news cycle? POOF! The victims are gone!
Americans did NOT turn against the Iraq War because of this number: 1,455,590
That is the estimated Iraqi Deaths due to U S. Invasion. No matter how big the Iraqi fatalities, it might just as well be zero from the beginning to the end of the war. The number never made it into most American’s calculation of when to stop supporting the war.- SECOND
Quote:Except the poor White Helmets, the poor Russian journalists, the poor illegal immigrants ... But those millions of people that the media ignores? You're right: they may as well be zero.
The thinking of most Americans about foreign policy has always been the same as during the Iraq War. Deaths of Americans are the only real number. Deaths of foreigners? It is always zero, at least in the minds of a majority of Americans.- SECOND
One place where Americans are exceptional is that Americans are exceptionally vulnerable to propaganda. Their memories last only as long as the media reminds them.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
America is an oligarchy
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This guy is such a low scumbag snake and isn't worth a moment's time. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on. Respectfully. - SHINY
I've never listened to Hannity before now, but I would treat him the same way I'd treat any other: Is what he says TRUE? Can it be verified? Or are you just pissed off because he threatens your ideology?
Also, you may recall that Glenn Greenwald ... famous left-wing investigative journalist ... was the initial video in the thread, and HE was talking about the deep state. Is HE full of shit too? Is everyone full of shit except you?
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America is an oligarchy
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And finally ...
Quote:Unless the perspective itself is wrong, and then NOTHING makes sense.
Originally posted by JO753:
Sum disjointed comments on the above posts:
Wen you aksept the Strongest Gang perspectiv, everything makes sens.
Quote:Why? What would happen if "someone else" [MOST LIKELY CHINA] took that position? Be specific.
Aksept the idea that America iz the strongest gang in the world, and you realize that maintaining that pozition, even tho its expensiv, iz better than letting sum other gang take the title.
Quote:So? Don't let them "manage" you and you'll be alright.
Especially a gang with a worse manajment structure.
Quote:Such as? Be specific.
Anybody who thinks that letting despots do az they want in the world wont eventually bekum a problem for the US haz a poor grasp uv their predatory nature.
Quote:Wow, JO and his unsupported delusion, again!
Look wut happened with Russia. A failed state taken over by an oportunistic strongman. Now he [PUTIN] haz control uv our goverment and iz furiously working hiz puppet to consolidate that power.
Quote:The United States has such a diversity of resources that - properly managed- we can withstand just about every pressure applied to us. The only thing that we lack is some strategic metals like tantalum and cobalt.
A dictatorship iz inherently more effectiv, efficient and faster than a democrasy. Like a bull vs a couger, the massiv weight advantaj and hornz only delay defeat.
Quote:OH, THEY TRIED! Don't you remember the "shock treatment" that was applied to Russia, which caused the GDP to drop 25% and the reduced the male lifespan by 10 years?
Suppoze the CIA had taken a longer view wen Gorbachev threw in the towel and launched a seksessful campane to take over Russia or turn it into a real democrasy? 'A stich in time savez 9,000,000.
Quote:Why does it make any difference how much Hannity made?
Hannity made 37,000,000$ last yir. In spite uv your claimz uv ignoring him, 6string, he iz worth every penny bekuz hiz messij saturated the Nation so well that it got to you anyway.
Quote:Yanno, JO, when you stop obsessing about RUSSIA!!! you actually make some sense. For example, how can you say that we're an oligarchy controlled by the moneyed, and at the same time say that Putin is controlling us?
America iz avirtualoligarky due to money controlling the politicianz. There appearz to be a growing backlash agenst this wile at the same time its getting wors. 2 billionairez will be slugging it out in November for the governorship uv Illinois. More than 130,000,000$ wuz spent in the primariez alone for a job that payz 177,412$. Wy do you think billionairez are so interested in grabbing this relatively powerless pozition?
Col Ralf Peterz iz a chowderhed. How duz he think Trump got anywhere near The Oval Offis? He helped Fox corral and nurture the idiots uv America into the voter army that TrumPutincarjacked!
Ditch the delusion, you'll do a lot better.
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America is an oligarchy
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Acerbic as usual. But why would CC ask the question again, if, as you claim, you previously responded.
Never mind. I withdraw the question.
fwiw:
KIKI: "And yet ... Mueller hasn't found Trump 'colluding' with Russians."
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62243&mid=1
047428#1047428
Which started the whole, "how do you know what Mueller knows?" question and silent denial parade.
@SGG - pretty silly really because everyone knows that no one on this board knows what Mueller knows - fun to see them make such lame statements though. Just like their BFF, 'Rump pounding a table and claiming "No Collusion! No Collusion!" over and over.
Here's a question for you SGG: why do you think so many people, whether politicians or pundits or regular dumb @ss citizens, grovel so much at this fat a-hole's feet? Do they hope to catch some table scraps? Is it like some kind of messiah worship where common sense and morality are obscured by obsession? Curious.
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President Trump’s lawyer John Dowd has confirmed with NBC News that his resigning. NBC’s Kristen Welker reports on the circumstances, and how it affects the special counsel’s Russia investigation.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/john-dowd-resigns-as-trump-s-top-lawy
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Second Trump lawyer abandons sinking ship.
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Rand Paul Admits "Absolutely, The Deep State Exists"
Authored by Jay Syrmopoulos via TruthInMedia.com,
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Tuesday during an appearance on The Laura Ingraham Show podcast that the term “deep state” accurately describes how an unelected bureaucracy of national security officials in positions of power exert influence without Congressional oversight.
“Absolutely, there is a deep state, because the deep state is the intelligence agencies that do not have oversight,” he said.
“Only eight people in Congress know what they’re doing, and traditionally, those eight people have been a rubber stamp to let the intelligence communities do whatever they want. There is no skeptic among the eight people that are supposedly overseeing the intelligence community.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-22/rand-paul-admits-absolutely-
deep-state-exists
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