Deep state. MSM. Trump ...
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Once you realize that most politicians are just sockpuppets, it becomes quite a challenge to identify who they're representing, especially when they label themselves as "liberal" or "Republican" ... labels designed to confuse rather than enlighten.
All I can do is quote the Bible By their works you shall know them. Also, by who they get their contributions from. 
So, FWIW, after years of scrutinizing the inscrutable, here's what I think:
The CIA: International clandestine destabilization outfit, often works to support the petrodollar, transnational banks and (formerly) transnational industries. You can see their handiwork in the overthrow of governments in Central and S America, Eastern Europe and the Mideast. The CIA is often fingered as the group who organized the assassination of JFK.
Pappy Bush (HW Bush) - ties to the CIA. His Zapata Oil was supposedly a cover for CIA activities abroad. Also, deep ties to Saudi interests. His invasion of Iraq (the first one, in 1991) was at the behest of the Saudis and Kuwaitis.
GW Bush - Same deal, but less intelligent. HIS invasion of Iraq (2003) was to prevent Iraq from leaving sanctions and selling oil in something other than the dollar, breaking the petrodollar deal. You get an idea of how close GWB was to the Saudis by how he treated them in the immediate aftermath of 9-11: Those Saudi nationals who were in the USA were allowed to break the air travel ban and fly away home, thanks to intervention at the highest levels.
Bandar "Bush" bin Sultan -
Well, here is the Saudi end of the CIA connection. He was so clasely tied to the Bush family he was given the informal "Bush" name. Bandar Bin Sultan was at various times the Saudi ambassador to the USA, secretary general of the Saudi National Security Council, and director general of the Saudi Intelligence Agency from 2012 to 2014. It was Bandar bin Sultan who threatened Putin with a terrorist attack on the Sochi Olympics (2014), adding one more piece of evidence to the pile of evidence that Saudi Arabia controls and uses terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East. The CIA connection in Saudi Arabia was just broken with the purge instituted by Mohammad bin Sultan, after a meeting with Trump, and Bandar "Bush" was arrested, along with a number of other CIA-friendly Saudi billionaires.
Hillary Clinton - Another globalist. As Presidential candidate, she could not receive donation DIRECTLY from foreign donors, but foreign donors got around that fact by either donating to SuperPacs (pro-Hillary organizations with - supposedly- no direct ties to her campaign) or to the Clinton Foundation. The Clinton Foundation reports that Saudi Arabia gave it over $10 million. Saudis say that the REAL total to Hillary from the Saudis was about 20% of her total campaign costs. Also, Soros (another globalist) and Soros-funded NGO's got behind Hillary in a big way. Those 33,00 emails? Most likely her "pay to play" schemes between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation. Unsurprisingly, after Hillary lost the election, donations to the Foundation dried up and it shuttered its doors.
Obama- His ties to the Saudis were much less obvious, AND YET he managed to fulfill the Saudi's interests by destroying Libya, attempting to destroy Syria, and raining drone strikes down on Yemen as part of a (formerly) secret CIA program. Obama's foreign policy was based on CIA actions, he did not rely on the military.
Trump - Well, one thing I can say is that Trump is a nationalist, not a globalist. As far as WHO is backing Trump, there is talk of a secret group of retired military and still-working alphabet-agency officers who are fed up with the way the USA has been bled to fund and support international interests everywhere. I think this group calls itself Make America Great. You may not recall, but Trump was supported by 88 retired generals during his cam
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
The Deep State was behind Hillary all the way. Comey was a non-swimmer in over his head.
If the Deep State was backing Hillary, then why did she lose? You see, the way it works is: You rig the system in favor of your candidate, it's customary that the person being backed.....WINS!
So, that would mean that the Deep State is incompetent.
SGG
Or SGG, it could mean the deep-state did win because their guy was Trump. If that's true then it also means sig kiki jack jsf and rappy also represent the deep-state.
T
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lol. yup.
I'm a Deep State Communist sockpuppet troll.
I think you need to move T. I don't know if it's because you lick lead paint off your walls or you're getting radiation poisoning from living too close to the power lines, but you're getting dumber by the day.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The question as implied might be - why didn't Russia release dirt on Hillary like they did on Trump? or, in response to dirt being released on Trump? is inaccurate. The Steele dossier isn't a RUSSIAN dossier on Trump filled with official State Secrets released by RUSSIA. We're talking about a DEMOCRAT dossier on Trump, consisting of gossip.
So, let's set aside the general election.....that means that our comrade Putin has dirt on every important figure that visits Russia. Granted. Then why hasn't he put his "dossier" on Hillary out there for the world to see?
As for the supposed dirt on Trump we'll probably never know what the FSB knows. When it comes to the Steele dossier, it depends on how much you believe the Steele dossier.
I myself don't think it's very reliable. It starts out with two extremely problematic sentences that imply Russian time travel. And other claims in it have already been disproven.
So, while I think Russia routinely collects intelligence on VIP visitors, Russia had nothing to do with the Steele dossier. That makes using the dossier as the basis for understanding Russian information and motives, or for formulating a response to Russia, misdirected.
Quote:She represents their interests better when it comes to trade globalization ("free trade"), Saudi Arabia and Israel, and financialism.
So again, let me ask this: Why is it that the Deep State cares more for Hillary than Trump?
Quote:They miscalculated, the same way they miscalculated Brexit. I'm pretty sure it won't happen again. Remember, it's not who votes that counts - it's who counts the votes!
Why, if the Deep State was backing Hillary, did they lose?
Quote:The FSB isn't in the same league as the Deep State. The Deep State is international, serving the wealthiest and most powerful interests on the planet, global corporations. But in that are smaller groups of players, hitching along to further their own interests when they can, like the CIA. There will always be people making common cause with evil.
But you and Sigs say that I give the FSB or the International Deep State far too much credit.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Who's Hillary kiki? I know about Trump Trump Trump, Putin Putin Putin, but Hillary, I can't place her. Is she a world leader or one of my government officials? I can't find any information that suggests she is relevant.
T
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What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.
So far, I'm getting that Hillary is involved. So, are they Democrats?
What's confusing to me is:
Sigs says there are 2 completely separate entities fighting over how to divy up the world. They are a national and international organization.
But Keeks says that it's a international organization. And that there goal is global dominannce in the finacial markets. Financial control of the markets over the masses.
So, it follows that Trump is their natural born enemy because he's a nationalist. He's ready to combat the evils of globalization. Trump! of all people, a champion for the downtrodden American. Well now, let's see...shall we?
Trump has holdings in several countries not called the U.S. He has properties/businesses in Scotland, Dubai, Indonesia, Isreal, Panama, Philippines, Turkey, Manila, India, Dominican Republic, Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, Vancouver and Toronto just to name a few.
I'm not getting the straight scoop here it seems. I'll try to ask again and see what transpires.
SGG
So which is it?
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
The Deep State was behind Hillary all the way. Comey was a non-swimmer in over his head.
If the Deep State was backing Hillary, then why did she lose? You see, the way it works is: You rig the system in favor of your candidate, it's customary that the person being backed.....WINS!
So, that would mean that the Deep State is incompetent.
SGG
Or SGG, it could mean the deep-state did win because their guy was Trump. If that's true then it also means sig kiki jack jsf and rappy also represent the deep-state.
T
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Quote:There are two distinct groups vying for control. The internationalists, for lack of a better term, have been in control for a long time. But it's not like these corporations and elites have an international army proper at their behest, or a high powered spook agency working for them. So they have to exert influence through national governments and the people in them.
Sigs says there are 2 completely separate entities fighting over how to divy up the world. They are a national and international organization.
But Keeks says that it's a international organization. And that there goal is global dominannce in the finacial markets. Financial control of the markets over the masses.
Despite having a few scattered properties here and there, Trump isn't an internationalist. His holdings would be second tier vacation residences for the truly wealthy. wiki: "The net worth of the entire royal family (House of Saud) has been estimated at well over $1.4 trillion which makes them one of the wealthiest families in the world if not the wealthiest." And wiki: Exxon Mobil has a "Net income: US$19.71 billion (2017)" and "Total assets: US$348.7 billion (2017)". But "Forbes estimates that Trump is now worth $3.1 billion" in 2017. And most of that appears to be in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.
Hey SGG: I think you know the answer.
The Deep State is Borgoroth, Sauron, The Slayer, yes, even The Alliance. They're the big bad that lurk in the shadows that can't be seen, as nasty to pin down as an egg shell in your bowl of cracked eggs. The shape shifters that can be shaped to fill any logic or plausibility gap, a writer's best friend, an enemy of the Truth. Just look at the sludge you have been given as an explanation. Sift through that slurry and you'll only find fool's gold my friend.
But I think you knew that!
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So far, I'm getting that Hillary is involved. So, are they Democrats?
They're Democrats and Republicans. The Clintons and the Bushes as well as Obama were all very Deep State friendly.
GWB was a far worse President than Trump has been so far, yet even he didn't get 1/10th of the pushback from the Media that Trump has.
Like I said before, I don't think that Trump would have won if the Deep State didn't want him to. It's not at all because he's "their guy". They realized how horrible a mistake for their agenda it would be to put Hillary in office and she'd probably only be a one term thing.
Trump, I believe, is pretty easy to control for them. He can't stay off that goddamned twitter and he projects his every move. The MSM can battle him everyday and get the Leftist loony useful idiots to do their work for them.
Had Hillary won, who knows what the backlash would be after 8 years of Obama and another 4 of Hillary? Everybody likes to laugh and joke about how stupid Republican Presidents are, but what if we ended up getting a really smart one who managed to rally the people behind him and didn't have a history of "grabbing pussy" or a whole shit load of ammo for the MSM to fight him on?
At the very least, Trump is a non-issue for the Deep State. Best case scenario, he might have slowed down their agenda for a few years. That's not going to matter if he ends up doing so badly that the Deep State is able to get a Super Neo-Liberal in as pushback in 2020 or 2024.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Boy, you're not asking for much, are you? The deep state has been working overtime to stay hidden, and you want a predigested answer that lays everything out in simple terms?
What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.
Like Mafia dons who are divided geographically and by income stream (some do hookers and blow in Nevada, others run numbers and smuggling in New Jersey) the elites have varying interests: some are globalists and some are nationalists; some are industrialists while others do finances or intellectual property or commodities. The elite controls the media, which is how your behavior is determined. (You really should watch "100 Centuries of Self" and then imagine that kind of manipulation applied to the news and the internet. Just sayin'.)
The DEEP STATE are those politicians*, government employees, spooks, and generals who turn the wishes of the elite into enforced policy. Here, the winnowing has been done primarily through the consistent application of money to elections and the media, but elsewhere - if the government isn't compliant enough- more direct measures are taken, such as engineering bribes, coups, assassinations, and invasions. Because, as KIKI says, the elites don't do their own military and police .... that's too expensive. Far cheaper (for them) to get the poor sods (that's us) to pay for our own exploitation with our own tax dollars. That's quite a trick!
So, who are the Deep Staters?
Who ISN'T a Deep Stater?
By the time you get to be President or Congressperson, or have wormed your way up the military, spook, or judicial ladder, you have likely sold your soul ten times over.
So that includes all past Presidents since Johnson, (Carter was a useful idiot, Bill Clinton was a born sociopath) and excluding Trump, more than likely all heads and most top-tier employees of the spook agencies and the State Department, and (probably since Bush) half of the military brass and all of the Congressional neocons of both parties. And altho technically not part of "the state", all heads of media corporations are pretty good at spreading pro-corporate and pro-government propaganda.
It's a pretty deep swamp!
* Most people don't include politicians as part of the deep state. The usual definition for a deep stater is that they must be an UNELECTED official. But in order to get those unelected officials in place, they must be appointed by an ELECTED official, or promoted under the aegis of an appointed official, because if you go up the chain or appointments/ promotions far enough you'll eventually find a politician. That's how the bureau phonebooks gets stacked with deep-staters. (You would think that the CEO of a government agency has no effect on the lower rank employees, but au contraire! Having worked thru the tenure of four CEOs in a government-agency, I can tell you that even low-ranking staffers are highly aware who is crooked and who isn't, and which way the wind is blowing. Competent staffers resent working in crooked organizations.)
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