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THGRRI

Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:33 AM

Deep state is a fairytale for the confused.

THGRRI

Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Anyone who doesn't buy that there is are much more powerful people pulling the strings of the world behind the curtains has little to no imagination. That is a disability.

I'm sure there are people who only believe the Deep State is true because somebody like Hannity told them it's true. This is also a disability.

The mistake, the offense, is when people use The Deep State to explain something they can't otherwise explain and don't want to be bothered with the details. It's the same kind of lie a 5 year old tells. "Um, uh, The Jimmy Next Door did it." If you're stuck on thinking that most people (especially here) DON'T already know that rich and powerful people will try and bend things to their will, and often against the will and desires of other rich and powerful people, then you are a capital D Dunce.
People might as well say "Jedi" or "Airbenders."

Deep state is the place were those who live in reality don't go. That's because it's where conspiracy theorists live. Deep state is akin to choosing fancy over science.

T

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:42 PM

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The mistake, the offense, is when people use The Deep State to explain something they can't otherwise explain and don't want to be bothered with the details.- CC

The REAL shame, the REAL offense, is when people can't be bothered to even ask questions.

Here are a few:

After our experience in Afghanistan, when nation-destruction turned out to be so much easier than nation-building, why did we make the same "mistake" of destroying the nation of Iraq and creating a power vacuum?

Long after our dual "mistakes" in Afghanistan and Iraq, why did we then go on to make the same "mistake" in Libya?

And then attempt to do the same thing to Syria?

Why did successive administrations make the same "mistakes" as their predecessors?

******

Why do successive administrations promise peace and freedom, but deliver more wars and more surveillance?

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Why have successive administrations failed to deliver truly universal, effective health care, despite a great desire of the population to have such a program, and many promises of such a program, starting with Bill and Hillary Clinton in 1992?

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Why do successive Presidents, both Democrats and Republicans, repeatedly sign on to additional "free trade" agreements, despite clear evidence that they hollow out the middle class, cause trade imbalances, and decrease our security?

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Are all of those Presidents really that stupid?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 24, 2018 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Anyone who doesn't buy that there is are much more powerful people pulling the strings of the world behind the curtains has little to no imagination. That is a disability.

I'm sure there are people who only believe the Deep State is true because somebody like Hannity told them it's true. This is also a disability.

The mistake, the offense, is when people use The Deep State to explain something they can't otherwise explain and don't want to be bothered with the details. It's the same kind of lie a 5 year old tells. "Um, uh, The Jimmy Next Door did it." If you're stuck on thinking that most people (especially here) DON'T already know that rich and powerful people will try and bend things to their will, and often against the will and desires of other rich and powerful people, then you are a capital D Dunce.
People might as well say "Jedi" or "Airbenders."

I like that better. From now on, I'm calling them Airbenders.

The Shamalanian Variety.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 24, 2018 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Deep state is the place were those who live in reality don't go. That's because it's where conspiracy theorists live. Deep state is akin to choosing fancy over science.

T can't even figure out how to use HTML tags on an ancient internet forum.

I don't think anybody should take his opinions about Shamalanian Airbenders seriously, let alone science and critical thinking.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The mistake, the offense, is when people use The Deep State to explain something they can't otherwise explain and don't want to be bothered with the details.- CC
The REAL shame, the REAL offense, is when people can't be bothered to even ask questions.

Here are a few:

After our experience in Afghanistan, when nation-destruction turned out to be so much easier than nation-building, why did we make the same "mistake" of destroying the nation of Iraq and creating a power vacuum?

Long after our dual "mistakes" in Afghanistan and Iraq, why did we then go on to make the same "mistake" in Libya?

And then attempt to do the same thing to Syria?

Why did successive administrations make the same "mistakes" as their predecessors?

******

Why do successive administrations promise peace and freedom, but deliver more wars and more surveillance?

******

Why have successive administrations failed to deliver truly universal, effective health care, despite a great desire of the population to have such a program, and many promises of such a program, starting with Bill and Hillary Clinton in 1992?

******

Why do successive Presidents, both Democrats and Republicans, repeatedly sign on to additional "free trade" agreements, despite clear evidence that they hollow out the middle class, cause trade imbalances, and decrease our security?

******

Are all of those Presidents really that stupid?

Asking questions is easy. Answers are tough. The incredible number of working parts and the range of their impact on the answer - a rat's next of possibilities and outcomes. Sometimes the line-up changes, sometimes the parts themselves change, and sometimes the question changes.

I have a question: So how do you feel about John Bolton?

SECOND

Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Anyone who doesn't buy that there is are much more powerful people pulling the strings of the world behind the curtains has little to no imagination. That is a disability.

I'm sure there are people who only believe the Deep State is true because somebody like Hannity told them it's true. This is also a disability.

The mistake, the offense, is when people use The Deep State to explain something they can't otherwise explain and don't want to be bothered with the details. It's the same kind of lie a 5 year old tells. "Um, uh, The Jimmy Next Door did it." If you're stuck on thinking that most people (especially here) DON'T already know that rich and powerful people will try and bend things to their will, and often against the will and desires of other rich and powerful people, then you are a capital D Dunce.
People might as well say "Jedi" or "Airbenders."

On how the NRA gets its way in elections. This is applicable to many other policies:

We see something that almost looks like democracy at work: people organizing around shared policy preferences, consolidating their resources, and mobilizing to pressure lawmakers into doing what they want. We’ve all done some version of this when we’ve made a $5 or $10 contribution to an advocacy organization.

But the NRA spending ultimately leads to policies that run counter to the expressed preferences of the majority of Americans. A small group of extreme, sometimes profit-motivated donors funnels money to an (ostensibly grassroots) group. That group then blankets our electoral cycles in political ads meant to scare Americans into opposing laws that would actually protect them, laws most of them claim to want. Red-state legislators who might otherwise support commonsense gun restrictions instead live under the constant threat of NRA attack ads; all it takes is one small step toward gun reform.

Most scholars get this. When they say the NRA’s influence doesn’t come from money, they mean that it doesn’t come from face-to-face bribery [of politicians]. But this overly simplistic argument, made in good faith, is dangerous. Our country desperately needs to reckon with the complex relationship between money and political power — and yet our intellectual and political leaders are telling us that money doesn’t matter in the case of guns. No wonder we can’t solve our paralysis on gun policy [or a hundred other policies]. We can’t even properly diagnose its causes.

www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/27/17051560/money-nra-guns-contributio
ns-donations-parkland-march

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:00 PM

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Asking questions is easy. Answers are tough.- CC

CC, in the runup to EVERY war, there is a huge flurry of propaganda. If "our" target is small and perceived to be weak ... say, Panama, Grenada, or Afghanistan .... the propaganda is perfunctory, barely worth a week's effort:

Noreiga drug runner!
Cuba in Grenada! American medical students!
Osama bin Laden!

Nobody bothered to ask Why now? Why is this thing suddenly such a problem?

In the runup to bigger or more problematic invasions, the propaganda effort is a little longer-lasting and involves MULTIPLE reasons, and (more importantly) shifting goalposts, and nobody bothered to ask I've heard multiple rationalizations for this drive to invade, but what's the REAL reason?

Asking questions, especially in the height of a manufactured hysteria, apparently isn't that easy.

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So, focusing on the aftermath of our recent binge of nation-destruction, why do YOU suppose that successive Presidents of both parties carried on in the same path, with the same results, failing in all cases to achieve their stated goals of peace, stability, freedom, and prosperity for the people of Afghanistan/ Iraq/ Libya/ Syria?

I can only come up with two possible answers:

1) They are all incredibly stupid and incapable of learning from experience, OR
2) They lied about their actual goals.

Can you come up with any other possibilities?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:10 PM

Quote:
Most scholars get this. When they say the NRA’s influence doesn’t come from money, they mean that it doesn’t come from face-to-face bribery [of politicians]. But this overly simplistic argument, made in good faith, is dangerous. Our country desperately needs to reckon with the complex relationship between money and political power — and yet our intellectual and political leaders are telling us that money doesn’t matter in the case of guns. No wonder we can’t solve our paralysis on gun policy [or a hundred other policies]. We can’t even properly diagnose its causes. - SECOND

I would place the influence of money ever further back in the election cycle, to the primaries.

DREAMTROVE made an excellent case for why the primaries are THE place to exert influence (only the die-hard party base votes, so your money goes a lot farther because there are fewer voters to influence, and you can focus on only one party) and the NRA is a master of dirty politics at the primary stage, using negative (and false!) advertising to knock out any GOP politician who does not promise to follow their line 100%, and they're very very successful at this.

So money acts as a FILTER, passing acceptable candidates thru and keeping unacceptable possible winners from ever getting on the final ballot.

Before the first primary, there is another vote, and that is the vote of fundraising

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

JO753

Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:49 PM

Filter makes sens.

Or how about Nominator?

Just az the partyz offer up their nominee, Money iz nominating them first and agen for the 2nd step.

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