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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:27 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... it pains me greatly to see us be so evil and waste so much money while doing it, and to see that none of you have drawn a single lesson from history about the absolute corruption of absolute power.

So we DO agree about Puttie and absolute power and absolute corruption!

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... it pains me greatly to see us be so evil and waste so much money while doing it, and to see that none of you have drawn a single lesson from history about the absolute corruption of absolute power.

So we DO agree about Puttie and absolute power and absolute corruption!

I don't give a rat's ass about Putin. The only time I pay attention to what Russia does is when it might affect OUR essential interests, and so far, that hasn't happened.

Russia doesn't have 1000 military installations all over the world, and Russia's military budget doesn't hold a candle to ours. Boy, are YOU a corrupt deep-state supporter!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I don't give a rat's ass about Putin. The only time I pay attention to what Russia does is when it might affect OUR essential interests, and so far, that hasn't happened.

You so funny! You owe me a keyboard!

Say more funny things about how you don't care about Russia!

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:04 PM

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I don't give a rat's ass about Putin. The only time I pay attention to what Russia does is when it might affect OUR essential interests, and so far, that hasn't happened. Russia doesn't have 1000 military installations all over the world, and Russia's military budget doesn't hold a candle to ours. Boy, are YOU a corrupt deep-state supporter!
- SIGNY

You so funny! You owe me a keyboard!
Say more funny things about how you don't care about Russia!- GSTRING

Ah yes, another diversion. I see you're back in "GSTRING" mode.

Show me where and how Russia has threatened OUR essential interests. I'll bet you that you can't.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:19 PM

It does seem as though to some people the word "Russia" is the argument in and of itself, doesn't it?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Signym, with even the slightest, flimsiest justification, Americans willing support the stupid wars you mentioned ... I was around for the Vietnam War. Texans (80 to 90%) were for kicking the hell out of Commies in North Vietnam. - SECOND
Then why are YOU making the same mistake now, with Russia?

And just OOC, how did YOU feel about our invasions of Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, our occupation of Lebanon, and our attempted destruction of Syria? Please, don't tell me about "texans".

How do I feel? I was once a soldier for Uncle Sam. Long story involving a helicopter crash, but I became anti-war. I'm pretty sure smarter people than me could be anti-war without volunteering or becoming a casualty. But most Americans, even soldiers, don't want to know or think. It is too uncomfortable to realize your country is wasting its time and money in wars. That does not make me a friend of Russia. It is dangerous because it is too much like America.

I am certain that a majority of Americans are indifferent to killing non-Americans. Like slaughtering cattle for beef, most Americans won’t do the messy, bloody work themselves, but they will pay butchers to do it for them. They patriotically pay their American troops, people like me, to slaughter foreigners for freedom, which is better than beef. If, big if, a majority of Russians are as indifferent to killing non-Russians, that would explain the off and on hostility between America and Russia. It would be sad for the world if a majority of Russians believe like Americans that foreigners are cheap and expendable life, like cattle, pigs, and chickens. Americans are squeamish about killing mostly when it is done in R-rated fashion in front of them. When done for entertainment (Firefly) or patriotism, Americans approve of killing.
www.foodispower.org/slaughterhouse-workers

I saw: "I’m a Russian scientist. Why can’t Americans see past my citizenship?"
https://massivesci.com/articles/russia-scientists-research-trust-ameri
ca/

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In my adopted home, I’ve found distrust divorced from the reality of my work. . . . From colleagues to taxi drivers, I am subject to a steady barrage of comments. They usually come as jokes: was it I who hacked the DNC? Do I know Putin? Can I tamper with some doping probes? . . . But even if I don’t take their curiosity personally, those jokes underscore the bigger problem that’s underneath: lack of trust and subtle hostility. With the newly intensified interest in Russian affairs, I feel that people increasingly tend to equate the word “Russian” with corruption, online trolling, human rights violations, and “fake news.” . . . Views of Russia in the US and Canada are overwhelmingly negative (and were even before the news about the indictments and election meddling surfaced).

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:50 PM

I didn't post that Mueller had no evidence. Try to keep up.

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Misrepresentation......that's going around these days. That aside, CC does pose a valid question.

SGG

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Speaking of honesty, reality, evidence and my problems... I am having this problem getting you to answer a very simple question: do you know what evidence Mueller has? Yes/No?
I'm just counting up how many times you misrepresent my post.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:40 AM

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How do I feel? I was once a soldier for Uncle Sam. Long story involving a helicopter crash, but I became anti-war. I'm pretty sure smarter people than me could be anti-war without volunteering or becoming a casualty. But most Americans, even soldiers, don't want to know or think.

No wonder you're pissed off. But I think people get stampeded. Right before the second invasion of Iraq, most people were "for" because they had been convinced (by the WH, and the complicit media, esp the NYT) that Saddam has WMD, and they were absolutely mesmerized by the threat. NOW, most people realize that it was a waste.

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It is too uncomfortable to realize your country is wasting its time and money in wars.

It is too uncomfortable to realize that our fearless leaders are corrupt quislings who will send soldiers to die for the petrodollar, or for nothing, and that our media lies to us day and night.

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That does not make me a friend of Russia. It is dangerous because it is too much like America.- SECOND

First, I disagree that it is "too much like America". Most Americans make the mistake of thinking that other places are just like them, that other nations have the same kinds of goals (worldwide dominance) and that other people react with the same motivations. Again, my reading of Russia is that is that their actions have been defensive in nature. It's not necessary to be a "friend" of Russia to get an objective reading of their actions and intentions. It's a good idea not to be stampeded ... AGAIN ... into thinking that someone is our mortal enemy when they aren't.

Also, Russia's military budget is less than the military budget INCREASE proposed by Trump, so Russia's reach is necessarily far more limited than ours.

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I am certain that a majority of Americans are indifferent to killing non-Americans. Like slaughtering cattle for beef, most Americans won’t do the messy, bloody work themselves, but they will pay butchers to do it for them. They patriotically pay their American troops, people like me, to slaughter foreigners for freedom, which is better than beef.

Like I said: No wonder you're pissed off. You and your fellow soldiers are thrown into a meat-grinder to save the rest of us Americans from having to wonder if we really are "good people", or not.

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If, big if, a majority of Russians are as indifferent to killing non-Russians, that would explain the off and on hostility between America and Russia. It would be sad for the world if a majority of Russians believe like Americans that foreigners are cheap and expendable life, like cattle, pigs, and chickens. Americans are squeamish about killing mostly when it is done in R-rated fashion in front of them. When done for entertainment (Firefly) or patriotism, Americans approve of killing.

I think Americans have exceptional reactions because they believe themselves, at heart, to be an exceptional people and morally righteous. In this board, it is rare to find anyone who consistently applies the same rules in all directions. WISHY is all hot to trot about prejudice against women and POC, but grants Antifa the right to act with impunity against while males. THUGR is such a strong believer of "freedom" in Russia that he would allow a surveillance state and restrict freedom of speech here at home. GSTRING claims to have the interests of people at heart, but constantly overlooks the massive human rights violations committed by the USA in favor of focusing on someplace far away, over which he has no control.

It's not just a matter of ethical and intellectual rigor, altho that helps. People here really don't see others "over there" as people; there's no emotional connection. They only ally themselves with people that are ideologically convenient, so they can protect that narrative that they're "good people'.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William

JO753

Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:39 AM

Sum disjointed comments on the above posts:

Wen you aksept the Strongest Gang perspectiv, everything makes sens.

Aksept the idea that America iz the strongest gang in the world, and you realize that maintaining that pozition, even tho its expensiv, iz better than letting sum other gang take the title. Especially a gang with a worse manajment structure.

Anybody who thinks that letting despots do az they want in the world wont eventually bekum a problem for the US haz a poor grasp uv their predatory nature.

Look wut happened with Russia. A failed state taken over by an oportunistic strongman. Now he haz control uv our goverment and iz furiously working hiz puppet to consolidate that power.

A dictatorship iz inherently more effectiv, efficient and faster than a democrasy. Like a bull vs a couger, the massiv weight advantaj and hornz only delay defeat.

Suppoze the CIA had taken a longer view wen Gorbachev threw in the towel and launched a seksessful campane to take over Russia or turn it into a real democrasy? 'A stich in time savez 9,000,000.'

Hannity made 37,000,000$ last yir. In spite uv your claimz uv ignoring him, 6string, he iz worth every penny bekuz hiz messij saturated the Nation so well that it got to you anyway.

America iz a virtual oligarky due to money controlling the politicianz. There appearz to be a growing backlash agenst this wile at the same time its getting wors. 2 billionairez will be slugging it out in November for the governorship uv Illinois. More than 130,000,000$ wuz spent in the primariez alone for a job that payz 177,412$. Wy do you think billionairez are so interested in grabbing this relatively powerless pozition?

Col Ralf Peterz iz a chowderhed. How duz he think Trump got anywhere near The Oval Offis? He helped Fox corral and nurture the idiots uv America into the voter army that TrumPutin carjacked!

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:47 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:

Hannity made 37,000,000$ last yir. In spite uv your claimz uv ignoring him, 6string, he iz worth every penny bekuz hiz messij saturated the Nation so well that it got to you anyway.

Maddow made 7,000,000 last year. Forbes named her the most powerful person in cable news on June 6th of 2017. She's worth every penny because her message saturated the Nation so well that it got to me anyway.

You entirely missed my point anyhow. My point was that if I was the Deep State, I would have EITHER ONE OF THEM talking endlessly about me. Right away that means that half of the country is going to dismiss it as partisan bullshit. It doesn't matter which side, really.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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