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SIGNYM

Friday, June 23, 2017 4:27 AM

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There is a plan

The Dems have a plan to fix healthcare? Then what is it? How will they manage to extend healthcare to everyone (or almost everyone) while still keeping premiums in sight and not busting the budget?

Yanno, this is pointless. The Dem "plan" is apparently to study nothing, propose nothing, and do nothing. That's not a plan.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Friday, June 23, 2017 6:05 AM

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"I want EASY! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"- GSTRING

Yes, I know YOU want easy, but what about me?

Meanwhile, the Dems who are getting paid to represent us should start doing their jobs and figure out a way around this conundrum. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be workable.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SECOND

Friday, June 23, 2017 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"I want EASY! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"- GSTRING

Yes, I know YOU want easy, but what about me?

Meanwhile, the Dems who are getting paid to represent us should start doing their jobs and figure out a way around this conundrum. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be workable.

Republicans have shown the Democrats the tricky legislative technique to extend Medicare to everyone, not just 65 and older.

The Democrats ended up with Obamacare because they were seeking a solution that was acceptable to some Republicans such as Mitt Romney. The Democrats went with Romney's Romneycare. Then the Republicans made a U-turn and none of them would vote for Romneycare.
www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2008/lessons-fall-romneycar
e

The Democrats got stuck with a Romneycare solution because their 60th Senator was treacherous Joe Lieberman.
www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/joe-lieberman-barack-obama-us-he
althcare

The Republicans have shown that Healthcare can be overhauled with only 51 votes, not the 60 votes in the Senate that Democrats believed necessary. Next time the Democrats have the votes in Congress and the White House, they can do what the Republicans are doing today. Sadly, the Democrats will only do it if Trumpcare is a big catastrophe, as predicted. If it is not, Democrats will chicken out, unlike the Republicans who never lack courage of their convictions.

And speaking of courage, Republicans are never afraid to risk breaking the law to get what they want as shown by this figure:

In the criminal convictions contest, the score is Republicans 89, Democrats 1. And that’s not even counting all the high-level Iran-Contra folks who probably would have been convicted of various felonies if they hadn’t been pardoned by GHW Bush.

Among Democrats, there’s been only one criminal conviction in the past 50 years, Ron Blackley, convicted of perjury for failing to disclose a pittance in consulting fees from a former consulting business in Mississippi.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/our-score-so-far-republicans-89
-democrats-1/

Is it "Evidence" that Republicans have 89 criminal convictions to Democrats 1 ? No. But it should be considered the next time someone says that the Republicans did nothing criminal in 2016-2017.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, June 23, 2017 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, the Dems who are getting paid to represent us should start doing their jobs and figure out a way around this conundrum. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be workable.

More lies - a lie with every post!
Have you seen the breakdown in Congress? Dems are unlikely to get anything through a republican congress. And you know that but choose to lie and act like you don't. The most they can hope for is to stop this POS that Mitch McConnell and his gutless cronies are trying to shove through. And rather than hold them accountable you deflect to put blame on Dems who had nothing to do with it.
I can't imagine what you think the point of you posting such easily observed nonsense is? To embarrass yourself? The only thing that makes sense is getting paid by the post. There's no Intelligent explanation.

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Too harsh an interpretation. The GOP is the party of NO! and the Democratic Party is the party of the tentative yes. If there will be any forward progress in the USA, Signym is hinting that it will come from either the Democrats or a disruptive figure such as Trump. But Trump was only pretending. He is actually an ordinary Republican with a chaotic management style showing he lacks strong self-control of his impulsiveness. His progressiveness is a random walk with a downhill drift toward whatever will get him reelected.

It is all explained in today's article: "The health bill might pass because Trump has launched the era of Nothing Matters politics"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/23/15854570/will-trumpcare-pass

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, June 23, 2017 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by second:

All I see is a graph that proves that Democratic politicians are better criminals.

SECOND

Friday, June 23, 2017 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

All I see is a graph that proves that Democratic politicians are better criminals.

I think it proves that Democrats got no guts.

In the original article where the graph came from there was a mention that more Republicans would be on the graph if only the Iran-Contra scandal had been prosecuted. Republican weren't going to let any little laws get in their way. Much the same may be happening in today's Republican White House. I can't know for sure until the definitive wiki article comes out in five or ten years about what is happening today. There is too much smoke in the air and confusion on the ground to see clearly what history will show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affa
ir

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, June 23, 2017 8:24 PM

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Meanwhile, the Dems who are getting paid to represent us should start doing their jobs and figure out a way around this conundrum. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be workable.- SIGNY

More lies - a lie with every post!- GSTRING

So everything that you don't like is a "lie? what kind of moron are you? (The answer is: the kind of moron who stays one on purpose.)

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Have you seen the breakdown in Congress? Dems are unlikely to get anything through a republican congress. And you know that but choose to lie and act like you don't. The most they can hope for is to stop this POS that Mitch McConnell and his gutless cronies are trying to shove through. And rather than hold them accountable you deflect to put blame on Dems who had nothing to do with it.= GSTRING

I've been through this before, but either your memory card or your logic circuit is busted.

I KNOW that the Dems can't get anything through Congress, you moron. But if they want ANY HOPE OF WINNING they have to show that they CAN govern, if given the chance. Which means that they need to come up with a better plan .... one which fixes the flaws in Obamcare and is durable. They have to ADVERTISE their plan, which means "take it to the media and explain how much better it is than Obamacare". They have to demonstrate to a skeptical public that it's practical and durable and able to resist obstruction by the GOP or adverse experience rates, and not fall apart like wet toilet paper.

This should be easy. If the press is truly for Democrats and against Trump/ GOP then the press will be willing to carry these non-newsflash items in order to educate the public, because it will take at least a half-year of patient explanation about the basics. And none of that "If you like your plan you can keep it" bullshit. Aside from taking public option off the table, that was another one of Obama's big mistakes on healthcare.

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I can't imagine what you think the point of you posting such easily observed nonsense is?

Wow, what can I say about you except the same? I'll try to find my previous post on the topic where I said pretty much the same, just to demonstrate what an idiot you are.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SECOND

Friday, June 23, 2017 8:25 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by second:His progressiveness is a random walk with a downhill drift toward whatever will get him reelected.

Heh - I don't see him wanting anything to do with this mess again. He misses his old King Trump days where he could deal with Russians, whores and mobsters and no one said a peep.

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Trump raised umpteen million for 2020 and he had a campaign rally this week in Iowa. He is running. Governing is less gratifying for him than campaigning, which explains his chaotic governing style and his lack of care to avoid scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2020

I see that layoffs start next month at the Carrier plant Trump “saved” last winter. And the Ford Focus is moving to China rather than Mexico. Oops.

With various acts of corruption and possible Russia-related malfeasance swirling around him, Trump requires the rock-solid support of the business community to maintain his rock-solid support in congress. That means if Carrier wants to ship jobs to Mexico and Ford wants to ship them to China, nobody is going to stop them.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/23/15860812/trump-carrier-jobs

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, June 23, 2017 8:44 PM

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I can't imagine what you think the point of you posting such easily observed nonsense is?- GSTRING

Wow, what can I say about you except the same? I'll try to find my previous post on the topic where I said pretty much the same, just to demonstrate what an idiot you are. - SIGNY

AH, yes, here it is. I even posted DIRECTLY TO YOU. And you even agreed with some of what I posted. You might want to be more careful when you accuse someone of "lying" and posting "nonsense" to make sure that the person isn't you.

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To be accurate, the Dems are not in "control" of Congress, so any adjustments or ideas to fix ACA in the face of Trump's promises, "I will dump Obamacare in the first week" would be a huge waste of time. So don't blame the Dems for not working too hard on that. It's in the GOP's/Trump's court and he's been clear on what he wants to do: give breaks to the rich and fund that by throwing millions of Americans into the streets. Basic math.- GSTRING

G, it doesn't take a lot of effort to put some staffers together on how to fix Obamacare and come up with a plan. The Dems shouldn't even try to pass it through Congress, because the effort would be DOA. What the Dems should do, if they want to win elections honestly (yanno, because they have better ideas) is to come up with a plan and then tell the public. IF they have a good, solid plan, they should KEEP telling the public. - SIGNY

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61635

Is mine a magic plan for the Dems? No. It's hard work, and they risk pissing off some of their biggest contributors. But that's what they'll need to do.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SECOND

Friday, June 23, 2017 8:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Is mine a magic plan for the Dems? No. It's hard work, and they risk pissing off some of their biggest contributors. But that's what they'll need to do.

There is nothing stopping your Trump from making your wishes come true. Nothing other than he has no interest in your wishes, other than to use them, against your best interests, in his persuasion routine. He makes you look like a sucker for voting for him.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139541975641/the-trump-master-persuader-i
ndex-and-reading-list

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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