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POSTED BY: JO753
UPDATED: Monday, February 14, 2022 07:11
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Second asked for an example of Obama lying and not from Trump or similar sources. Can't get much further from Trump than from the lips of Obama himself, right?
I provide over 20 minutes of Obama's greatest hits from topics ranging from lying to constituents to pass Obamacare, closing Gitmo, pulling out of all wars in the Middle East, cutting the national deficit in half, yada yada yada.
Second's reply is that "of course he lied about Obamacare".
G wants me to prove that Trump doesn't have ties with Russia.
It's not my job to prove that Trump doesn't have ties with Russia. Furthermore, I have already said that it is possible that trump does have ties with Russia but I don't believe that to be the case.
I don't have to prove anything to have a differing opinion on the matter.
As I've stated before, I would be more inclined to believe that Trump was actually doing anything wrong if the same sources that are putting all of these claims out about Trump hadn't had it out for him from day one.
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So campaign promises don't count? I can promise ANYTHING to get into office?
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Quote:Obama lied for sure. The insurance companies raised their rates and blamed Obama, who should have anticipated that they would profitably sabotage Obamacare. We can thank Senator Joe Lieberman, the 60th vote, for giving insurance companies the opportunity to cheat. Obama should have added some weasel-words to cover their crooked business practices. But then would he not have been accused of being a weasel by Republicans?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, are you agreeing that Obama lied? Or what?
Obama would not have been accused of lying by Republicans if only he had vetoed Obamacare because it wasn't good enough. And then Republicans would not be lying about their Obamacare repeal and replacement. When Democrats try to do anything, they get accused of lying by Republicans as surely as night follows day. Maybe it is better to do nothing and never get into trouble? But then you're locked into the status quo (which is excellent for me, maybe not for you).
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:ASSUMING THERE ARE ANY.
To be accurate... JO and I, and presumably a number of others on this board, only want Mueller et al to get to the bottom of Trump's connections to Russia.
You see? There's that "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, again. Gack! Even when it's specifically pointed out to you, you just can't help yourself, can you? Few on this board would meet your level of dunderheadedness!
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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So, campaign promise don't count, GSTRING? We can take that whole thread about "Trump's broken promises" and shitcan it?
Obama was screwed when he took public option off the table, and handed the project to Max Baucus and "insurance state" Lieberman. He LIED when he kept insisting - despite the fact that he knew better - that "you can keep your doctor" was not in the cards. And that had nothing to do with increasing rates, but I'll leave it to you to figure out what the real problem was.
In any case, Obama lied about other things while in office: Benghazi, the cause of the . Federal deficit, NSA spying, the "end" of the combat mission in Iraq, etc etc.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Your arguments sound a lot like "six degrees of Kevin Bacon": Let's see how many people have worked with someone who worked with someone who met someone who knew someone who worked with someone who knew Kevin Bacon?
A lot of people have "connections" with Russia, if only indirectly. Hillary certainly had robust direct connections. Obama spoke with Putin almost every day. Why don't you go digging in THEIR assholes to see what you can find?
Sheesh. Your paranoia knows no bounds, does it?
I have an idea, and I think it's a lot more constructive: instead of desperately trying to find dirt on Trump retroactively, why don't we just respond to his POLICIES? If we think his policies won't work well in promoting America's interests (You'll have to define those first) then respond to THAT, instead of this undying personal grotch that you seem to be carrying. How does that sound?
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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This topic is actually becoming so boring and predictable that it's not even fun anymore.
Here's hoping there's something worth reading or debating elsewhere...
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Quote:I agree. I hope that focusing on Trump's policies and our collective interests as Americans will lead to a more fruitful discussion elsewhere. Not in THIS thread, tho!
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
This topic is actually becoming so boring and predictable that it's not even fun anymore.
Here's hoping there's something worth reading or debating elsewhere...
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Quote:It sounds to me like the security state has its hand up YOUR ass. Discussing American interests is a bad idea???? You mean, like if we take our laser focus off of RUSSIA and actually think about our future and what we need to do, that's a problem???
Geewhiz, that sure sounds like a pro-Russia stance! Pass - really, really bad idea. They hacked our election and they have their hand up our puppet president's under parts - we need to eradicate them from our governing, like now. Don't worry, I know you know I know you won't understand. - GSTRING
Is Trump trying to do anything other than what he OPENLY PROMISED (make nice with Russia) during his campaign?
NO???
Then what's your problem?
People knew that Trump wanted to make nice with Russia when they voted for him. YOUR big problem isn't that Trump is being "manipulated" in some underhanded way, you're just scared that people might actually have voted for his very openly-stated policy direction.
Jeez, do you have any idea how utterly unhinged you sound? You're just like AURAPTOR who to this day still thinks that Saddam had WMD!
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Quote:No, I changed my description to "unhinged". Check back, I post-edited.
Name calling, lying and taunting - who's the cry baby??
Quote:People knew that Trump wanted to make nice with Russia when they voted for him. YOUR big problem isn't that Trump is being "manipulated" in some underhanded way, you're just scared that people might actually have voted for his very openly-stated policy direction.
Trump's going down and he's going to go down hard,
WHY??? Because you're utterly paranoid about RUSSIA!. Jeez, do you have any idea how utterly unhinged you sound? You're just like AURAPTOR who to this day still thinks that Saddam had WMD!
This focus on RUSSIA! is not only (mostly) pointless, it apparently excuses you from thinking about anything else ... things that might be more useful in the long-run, like "What are America's interests"?
But hey, take a little time from your all-consuming fear and meet me over in the "What are America's Interests" thread. It's OK ... you can take your eye off RUSSIA! for a few hours here and there, and think about something else for a change. Don't worry - your paranoia will still be waiting for you when you get back to it.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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