Is Trump Nuts?
POSTED BY: THGRRI
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 23:49
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Despite being called a lot of names, I didn't abandon the principles the dems used to stand for.
The party left me, beginning with Bill and his interventionist romp in Yugoslavia to end the atrocities supposedly done as a policy of Slobodan Milosevic - a man who was later completely exonerated by the ICC of any wrongdoing. So, why was Bill there, again?
Since then, the party triangulated away its positions until, among other things, it became nothing less than the party of full-on neo-ass chicken-hawks, a la Hillary.
I was anti-war with GWB. I bet you were, too. The difference between us, is that I was also anti-war with Obama. But you're OK with it as long as it's a dem starting wars.
So, why is it bad for repubs to be war mongers, but ok for dems?
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Quote:And that's exactly why I stopped paying attention to SECOND. It was just one pointless hyperventilation after another.
I'm willing to reconsider my opinions about Trump if there are actual things of substance that he is guilty of, but I'm not going to sift through thousands of hate articles that are thrown against the wall by the left just to see what sticks.
Didja notice that now that the BUT RUSSIA! meme has died down in the press (for now) the hysteria has died down here too? Sheesh. People are so inducible.
One of these days I would love to see a real substantive discussion of Trump. Something significant and insightful, and not just recycled McCarthyism or panicked liberalism/ chickenhawkism. (How liberals bought into war-mongering is beyond me.)
We got started on "whatever happened to to 'America First?'. Now THAT was a good question!
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Didja notice that now that the BUT RUSSIA! meme has died down in the press (for now) the hysteria has died down here too? Sheesh. People are so inducible.
Not only did I notice it, but I commented on it right when it started happening and I called that it would be happening very soon less than a week before it actually started happening.
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Quote:I saw an article this morning about how to herd both Democratic Party and GOP into a less interventionist foreign policy: www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/04/trump_s_newf
Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So, why is it bad for repubs to be war mongers, but ok for dems?
ound_militarism_shows_why_we_need_some_kind_of_a_war_tax.html
The obvious shortcoming of the herding techniques suggested in the article is that Congress will need to pass laws that place limits on what Congress can do. Does anyone think Congress would pass a "War Tax"? Every war paid by a special tax would cut down on the number of wars, but how will the American people, not just Congress, be convinced to limit themselves this way?
Another suggestion, only mentioned in the article because it is politically impossible since 90% of Americans (not just Congressmen) are cowards, was bringing back the draft. Americans would think very carefully about war if they might, possibly, have to personally fight in the war they are so eager to see someone else fight for them. But how many Americans would vote for a Congressman who will pass a military draft law?
The article started with a little Trump bashing:
The MOAB that the United States dropped on Afghanistan earlier this month created a massive crater in what was supposed to be the antiwar movement in this country. Before the election, pacifistic leftists like Glenn Greenwald and isolationistic right-wingers like Justin Raimondo convinced themselves that Trump’s contradictory statements on foreign policy meant that he would buck Washington’s bipartisan interventionist policy consensus.
It’s clear that those hopes were, to put it gently, silly. In his first three months, Trump has launched missiles at Syria, dropped a bomb on Afghanistan, and engaged in saber-rattling with a nuclear-armed North Korea. Trump knows little about foreign policy and cares less, but he likes dramatic action and the illusion of manly decisiveness. He’s also easily swayed by whatever happens to air on television while he’s watching. The president seems happy to drop bombs wherever the military establishment suggests as long as he thinks it will make him look good on cable news.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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A war tax is a terrible idea. Have you ever once in your life seen a tax that wasn't increased over time? Hell... I've been paying for Social Security all of my life and even though I've been told I won't get it when I retire I still have to pay for it to subsidize the retirement of the wealthiest generation of people who EVER LIVED ON THIS PLANET, the baby boomers. If I don't want to pay it? They'll keep the cell warm for me.
We've already been paying for the bullshit wars as it is through inflation and other tricks for decades ever since our money became a fiat currency. All that a "war tax" would do is call a spade a spade, and eventually we'd all just eat that shit sandwich and feel even worse about ourselves that we're funding wars we don't believe in. I already know this is happening, but most stupid people can go about their day without that burden.
If I felt that this would in any way put an end, or at least curb the wars we create, I would be all for it.
I agree that something needs to be done, and I really liked the point they made that since there is no draft we can pretend that it's not happening.
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Quote:It is a terrible idea because this Congress would never pass it.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
A war tax is a terrible idea. Have you ever once in your life seen a tax that wasn't increased over time?
You are right about the War Tax increasing over the years. First there would be an Afghan War Tax, which gets collected until that war is over, which may never happen. Then there would be an Iraq Tax, which gets collected until all the troops leave and the biggest "embassy" in the world is closed. That is two taxes. Then there would be a small tax on Yemen War because we need to pay for those drones and cruise missiles. That is three. Syrian War Tax or New Korean War Tax. That is four or five taxes, each billed separately on your form 1040, so that Americans never lose track of what Congress's stupid belligerent attitude is costing.
On and on it goes. More wars immediately translates into more taxes. I would rather that Congress can't authorize more bonds being sold to pay for war. I would prefer that Congress is trapped into instantaneously raising taxes the same day as the start of each new war, but Congress would never agree. It is so much easier to borrow. It is so much easier to let things run as they have for decades: the Pentagon decides which wars are worth fighting and then the President rubber stamps his authorization (afraid not to because he would be called a weakling) and Congress does not have to decide if the newest war is worth fighting, leaving it all to the military experts.
The guy who decides what should be destroyed next is H. R. McMaster, not Trump nor Congress. But you never know when a Michael T. Flynn-type nut might replace McMaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._McMaster
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yep.
Congress will pass a war tax right after they vote to give themselves the same healthcare that we all get with Obamacare.
Maybe then they'll pass a law on campaign finance reform.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So, why is it bad for repubs to be war mongers, but ok for dems?
Quote:You didn't answer the question, SECOND. Were you against GWB's wars? How about Obama's? And why the difference?
Originally posted by second:
I saw an article this morning about how to herd both Democratic Party and GOP into a less interventionist foreign policy:
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Haha! Good luck getting a straight answer out of Second.
Incoming link to another vaguely related story to deflect your questions in 3..... 2...... 1....
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Quote:You still expect I'm posting to answer your questions. Once in awhile I'll take the bait, but I can tell I'm wasting my time on you because you've got a serious problem with understanding the world as it actually is rather than your simple-minded model of how the world works. For example of some differences between Obama and Bush in Iraq:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Haha! Good luck getting a straight answer out of Second.
Incoming link to another vaguely related story to deflect your questions in 3..... 2...... 1....
Obama promised nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
Bush promised WMDs and a low cost war in Iraq. I remember Auraptor claiming there were WMDs, but they were removed to somewhere. That was a flat lie. And the Iraq War cost $2.4 trillion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War
www.vox.com/2016/7/9/12123022/george-w-bush-lies-iraq-war
Then Bush mocked his critics about WMDs, as if it was unimportant that his promised weapons weren’t discovered.
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