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Is Trump Nuts?

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Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:32 PM

A major problem with Trump’s pledge to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants
www.vox.com/2017/4/17/15294810/trump-immigration-enforcement-crackdown
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The fundamental problem with removing 11 million unauthorized people from the country is immigration courts have a massive backlog. If you have not previously been deported from the US, and you aren’t caught within a certain distance from the border — or you are caught within that distance but you’ve been living here for several years — you have the right to an immigration court hearing before you’re deported. And that means that over the last several years, because Congress realized it wanted to put a lot more funding toward immigration enforcement, it put it toward DHS [Department of Homeland Security]. It didn’t put it toward DOJ [Department of Justice], where the immigration courts were.

So, over the entire Obama administration, the court backlog went from a year, a year and a half, to two and a half years. So if you nab a longtime resident in Chicago— that’s two and a half years where they’re going to be out in the community, where in theory they could abscond and not show up for their hearings. Or that’s two and a half years that you have to keep them in detention, which gets extremely expensive, even if you’re cutting costs by putting them in private facilities.

One of the ways you could root around it is by expanding the exception — the “Oh, you’re not entitled to an immigration court hearing.” And there should be regulations coming down soon about that. Some people are worried that it’s going to allow anyone who gets caught anywhere in the US to, if they can’t prove they’ve been here for a couple of years, to get deported without a hearing. We don’t know for sure that’s what’s going to happen, but that’s the rumor that’s been going around.

Another way to get around it is to use federal criminal court, which is not as backlogged as immigration courts generally, and charge and convict you of a crime. And once you’ve been convicted of a crime, it is much more easy to ship you through immigration court in a jail or prison and deport you.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Did you get the point of the Simpson reference?

Yes.

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Do you see yourself as Mayor Quimby or the Mob? I see myself as the Assistant and you are not Quimby.

LOL... I'm not the assistant or Quimby, and I'm certainly not the Mob.

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I don't discuss it because actually talking to a Republican about politics is like talking to them about evolution. (Keep in mind I'm in Texas. In your state, you may have people with Republican leanings, you may be one yourself, who are open to "conversion" to evolution, to "belief" in science. I'm using evolution as an example of a topic that is not worth discussing in an open forum with somebody that is just looking for an excuse to say Liar! or fanatic! or Autistic!) The Texas Republicans respond to evolution with "You've got your fossils created by Satan (substitute 'fake facts' if it was about politics) from your non-Christian (substitute ‘leftist’ if it is about politics) scientists with their theories of evolution (there is often sneering at the word theory) but the only true facts are in the books of the Holy Bible." Bejesus to all that.

I'm open to evolution. I'm open to the idea of God. I wasn't there. I didn't see it happen. Both ideas are impossible to disprove, at least at this point in time.

Anybody who is 100% convinced in either is funny to me, especially if they preach about it outside of their own collective. They are doubly funny if they believe that one idea precludes the other. I see no reason why they are mutually exclusive.

I'm not a Republican, although I usually tend to vote that way. Most of those online tests put me to the right fiscally and the middle left socially. The problem with Democrats today are that they've been infested with this ultra-liberal mentality and SJWishness that is poisoning the minds of the college kids in their gender studies and racial sensitivity courses. I have no problem with anybody teaching the Theory of Evolution in class, but I do have a problem with them teaching that the white male is evil and should be systematically removed from the equation.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/white-professor-says-all-white-peop
le-are-evil-some-only-less-bad-than-others/

http://socawlege.com/boston-university-assistant-professor-saida-grund
y-attacks-whites-makes-false-statements-on-twitter/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/13/cornell-professor-majo
rity-white-people-are-racist/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/26/drexel-professor-draws-ire-after-
posting-white-genocide-tweet-on-christmas.html

This type of stuff is the reason that Trump won. I'm sure the wall didn't hurt, but to try to say that the wall was the reason is just stupid.

He also did not brainstorm the Sanctuary City. As I pointed out before, your own post refuted that statement only two paragraphs below.

I said you have Aspergers, because you behave as if you have Aspergers.

Twice in our conversation yesterday I conceded ideas. At least twice I showed you why you were wrong about something yourself and rather than admit that you were wrong you just posted some vaguely related idea with a story behind it.

You don't have intellectual conversations with anybody. You talk at them. You talk down to them. Everything you post is an argument you've already won in your mind because you have all the answers. You end up doing exactly what you accuse the Texas Republicans of doing when it comes to the theory of evolution.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:05 PM

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You talk down to them. Everything you post is an argument you've already won in your mind because you have all the answers. You end up doing exactly what you accuse the Texas Republicans of doing when it comes to the theory of evolution.

A lot of bile coming from you, 6stringJoker. Are you offended that the 1% doesn’t change paths, swerve around you, just because you are getting run over by them in the real world? But Trump is a completely different kind of 1 percenter. Oh yes! He is considerate of your delicate sensibilities. Actually, he has got your pride and vulnerabilities figured out. He knows what will persuade you. To him, you are a vote. To me, you are a drain.

Since today is a deadline for taxes:

Trump’s unreleased tax returns may doom his tax overhaul effort
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/us/politics/tax-code-overhaul-trump.html

Democrats have pledged not to cooperate on rewriting the tax code unless they know how it would benefit the billionaire president and his family.

Republicans, more than a dozen of whom are also calling for President Trump to release his taxes, remain sharply divided on possible legislation.

Trump continues to adamantly keep his old taxes returns, the ones no longer being audited, a top secret. I see no way around it: that is nuts if he was serious about passing his version of tax reform. Historically, that’s also nuts on his part because other Presidents made their tax returns public knowledge.
www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:A lot of bile coming from you, 6stringJoker. Are you offended that the 1% doesn’t change paths, swerve around you, just because you are getting run over by them in the real world?

Nope. I didn't say anything at all about 1%. I was talking to you about something completely different.

I guess we're going to veer completely off course again, huh?

Sorry... stopped reading the rest of your post because you can't stay on topic.

You're welcome to try again.

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

You talk down to them. Everything you post is an argument you've already won in your mind because you have all the answers. You end up doing exactly what you accuse the Texas Republicans of doing when it comes to the theory of evolution.
A lot of bile coming from you, 6stringJoker. Are you offended that the 1% doesn’t change paths, swerve around you, just because you are getting run over by them in the real world? But Trump is a completely different kind of 1 percenter. Oh yes! He is considerate of your delicate sensibilities. Actually, he has got your pride and vulnerabilities figured out. He knows what will persuade you. To him, you are a vote. To me, you are a drain.

Trumps supporters here post their differing versions of the truth. In actuality, the truth is what they find themselves continuously running away from. It is what's dismantling their agenda here.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

Nope. I didn't say anything at all about 1%. I was talking to you about something completely different.

I guess we're going to veer completely off course again, huh?

Sorry... stopped reading the rest of your post because you can't stay on topic.

You're welcome to try again.

I'm not staying on your preferred topics because the topic is Is Trump nuts? The subtopic is Are Trump Voters nuts? Here I go again with an explanation of why Trump Voters are nuts. It is a historic explanation, and it even covers your particular case of being young, yet unemployable due to whatever is haunting your brain.

Why the USA is so unhappy despite having so much wealth
https://qz.com/842613/why-the-us-and-uk-are-so-unhappy-despite-having-
so-much-wealth/

Moykr points out this has happened before—when farmers lost their jobs to factories:

“The American progressive movement in the 1890s was driven by farmers. They were angry that farm jobs were disappearing. They didn’t stop progress—technological change is going to keep happening. And we should expect that this always brings anger and frustration. People don’t like their lives being destroyed—there is very little we can do, but the alternative is stasis. Technology moves forward, but leaves lots of corpses along the road.”

In some ways, the effects of heightened uncertainty are worse now because people live longer. “As you get older it is harder to learn new tricks,” Moykr says. “Before, if you were displaced at 45, you only had five or 10 years of work left, it wasn’t such a big deal. But now you might still have another 40 years. All of this causes more uncertainty.”

Moykr’s theory might be why higher rates of dissatisfaction are recorded even among people who keep their jobs. Studies show one of Trump’s more reliable groups of supporters are relatively high earners in economically depressed areas. They still have good jobs, but the poor economy that surrounds them may make them nervous about their family’s future.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I guess we're going to veer completely off course again, huh?

I really can't resist this story about Trump and his aircraft carrier. He truly went to heights on nuttiness:

Asked about the deployment of the Carl Vinson in an interview with Fox Business Network that aired April 12, President Trump said: “We are sending an armada, very powerful.” The U.S. media went into overdrive and Fox reported on April 14 that the armada was “steaming” toward North Korea.

Sending a carrier somewhere is a standard way of huffing and puffing without really doing anything of substance. Every president has done it. Trump, however, has brought it to new levels of irrelevant theater. Defense News tells us where the carrier and its strike group were really headed:

www.defensenews.com/articles/us-carrier-still-thousands-of-miles-from-
korea
Rather, the ships were actually operating several hundred miles south of Singapore, taking part in scheduled exercises with Australian forces in the Indian Ocean. On Saturday — according to photographs released by the U.S. Navy — the carrier passed north through the Sunda Strait, the passage between the Indonesian islands of Sumatra and Java. It's about 3,500 miles from Korea.

Yes sir, Trump's nuts. North Korea was not fooled since they can access the same information I can, but Trump Voters were fooled into believing. In fairness, neither Trump nor the Navy said when the Carl Vinson was going to head north, so technically no one lied here, as if that has ever been a concern for Trump or his voters. Trump's "very powerful" armada will make its way to the Korean Peninsula eventually, but apparently he's in no rush.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I'm not staying on your preferred topics because the topic is Is Trump nuts?

What prefered topic?

You brought something up, we were discussing it. I proved you wrong on several occasions, and I also admitted that I was wrong about something. You then brought up 5 other things that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:20 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well.

It's a technical problem because we are not at the same spot on Earth at the same time having a conversation. This is not like emails sent back and forth to colleagues. Not like a business letter sent by US Postal Service. For me it is more like I'm sending vacation postcards from an exotic land and you are a stranger who momentarily got your hands on a message not written specially for you, then you scribble a note on my postcard and send on it along, thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not.

"Conversation" is possible between like minded people who have the time and indicate they want to "converse". I come here to post some oddity I find about Trump's mind, or the minds of his voters, or the minds of people that think Trump is not half nuts. I'm not here to read your opinion then post my response to the peculiar way your mind works. That would be more effort than you are worth to me. You're just some stranger scribbling notes on post cards I'm sending to the future. I'm going to do what I came here to do one more time:

www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/books/review/knowledge-illusion-steven-slom
an-philip-fernbach.html

. . . Most people don’t like too many facts, and they certainly don’t like to feel stupid. If you think that you can convince Donald Trump of the truth of global warming by presenting him with the relevant facts — think again.

Indeed, scientists who believe that facts can change public opinion may themselves be the victims of scientific groupthink. The scientific community believes in the efficacy of facts, hence those loyal to that community continue to believe they can win public debates by marshaling the right facts, despite much empirical evidence to the contrary. Similarly, the traditional belief in individual rationality may itself be the product of groupthink rather than of empirical evidence. In one of the climactic moments of Monty Python’s “Life of Brian,” a huge crowd of starry-eyed followers mistakes Brian for the Messiah. Caught in a corner, Brian tells his disciples: “You don’t need to follow me, you don’t need to follow anybody! You’ve got to think for yourselves! You’re all individuals!” The enthusiastic crowd then chants in unison: “Yes! We’re all individuals!” Monty Python was parodying the counterculture orthodoxy of the 1960s, but the point may be true of the belief in rational individualism in other ages too.

In the coming decades, the world will probably become far more complex than it is today. Individual humans will consequently know even less about the technological gadgets, the economic currents and the political dynamics that shape the world. How could we then vest authority in voters and customers who are so ignorant and susceptible to manipulation? If Sloman and Fernbach (S&F) are correct, providing future voters and customers with more and better facts would hardly solve the problem. So what’s the alternative? S&F don’t have a solution. They suggest a few remedies like offering people simple rules of thumb (“Save 15 percent of your income,” say), educating people on a just-in-time basis (teaching them how to handle unemployment immediately when they are laid off) and encouraging people to be more realistic about their ignorance. This will hardly be enough, of course. True to their own advice, S&F are well aware of the limits of their own understanding, and they know they don’t know the answer. In all likelihood, nobody knows.

Is the Truth Still Out There?
April 18, 2017
http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2017/04/is-the-truth-still-ou
t-there.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:53 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well.
...thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not.

"Conversation" is possible between like minded people who have the time and indicate they want to "converse". I come here to post some oddity I find about Trump's mind, or the minds of his voters, or the minds of people that think Trump is not half nuts. I'm not here to read your opinion then post my response to the peculiar way your mind works. That would be more effort than you are worth to me.

Well then. Go fuck yourself.

By all means, continue to post your ill thought out ramblings about nothing then. Don't let me stop you.

To "The Future":

Do your own fact checking when reading the bullshit that Second posts. A lot of times she makes it pretty easy by posting things that argue her own points in the very same post.