Brexit vote Thursday June 23

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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:10 PM

Happening today.

What bothers me about it is that there will be no exit polls. That way, there is no check on whether the vote was manipulated or not. No matter how the vote turns out, people should be outraged about how it was conducted.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:27 PM

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Happening today.

What bothers me about it is that there will be no exit polls. That way, there is no check on whether the vote was manipulated or not. No matter how the vote turns out, people should be outraged about how it was conducted.

Typical Russian trolling. England bad

THGRRI

Friday, June 24, 2016 1:05 AM

Hey SIG, where's your outrage now? Tell us SIG, what bothers you about this comrade troll.

The Constitutionality of Vladimir Putin's Third Term

Almost as soon as the election results declaring Vladimir Putin's election were certified, Russia's nascent opposition immediately challenged the results as illegitimate. The League of Voters, for instance, argued that the massive irregularities, use of administrative resources, and abuse of law discredited "the institutions of the Russian presidency, the Russian electoral system, and the entire Russian state." The Putin regime has responded in part by stressing the importance of legality and constitutionality. First, it has reiterated its now-familiar refrain: If you have problems with the elections you should pursue these claims through the constitutionally-guaranteed judicial process. More importantly, on the day after the disputed presidential election, outgoing President Medvedev introduced a bill outlining the formation of a Constitutional Assembly that could redraft the Russian constitution. This bill - which Mr. Medvedev had promised to deliver after a February 20 meeting with the new, non-systemic opposition - will determine the rules for forming a Constitutional Assembly.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2012/03/09-constitutionalit
y-putin-partlett

KPO

Friday, June 24, 2016 4:14 AM

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What bothers me about it is that there will be no exit polls.

And no little green men with machine guns supervising the vote, like in truly democratic Russian referenda.

#WesternDemocracyIsASham
#VladimirPutinForever

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:31 AM

Brexit early returns favor Remain by 52%-48%. Pretty tight.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/polls-close-historic-eu-referendum-210824856
.html

They worry about exit poll influence in a nation spanning a single time zone, right?
While America's contiguous States span 4 time zones, something like 6 with HI and AK.

THGRRI

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:42 AM

Ladies and gentlemen above you will see a post by another of our posters that post without thinking. One time zone or not, we now live in a world with 24 hour a day news. You could be home eating your lunch before heading off to vote and hear exit polls giving you information which could sway your vote.

Will someone please explain it to the above poster. I'd rather not.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:18 PM

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Truth is, A U.K. law prohibits news organizations from reporting how people voted before polls close.

Wow, what an idiot. That law exists here too. But that doesn't keep news organizations from HOLDING exit polls here. Independent exit polls are used worldwide to verify the honesty of vote counting.

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I'm guessing they don't want early poll numbers to affect late voters. Of course, that makes perfect sense. And it's not like exit polls can't be muddled with. So outrage over nothing.

And it's not like vote counting can't be muddle with. Overall, exit polls are as, or more, reliable than vote counting. Now, I wouldn't be outraged over the lack of exit polls if they hadn't revealed SYSTEMATIC VOTE COUNTING FRAUD IN THE USA ALREADY.

What? Never heard of it?

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The first indication that something was gravely amiss on November 2nd, 2004, was the inexplicable discrepancies between exit polls and actual vote counts. Polls in thirty states weren't just off the mark -- they deviated to an extent that cannot be accounted for by their margin of error. In all but four states, the discrepancy favored President Bush.

Over the past decades, exit polling has evolved into an exact science. Indeed, among pollsters and statisticians, such surveys are thought to be the most reliable. Unlike pre-election polls, in which voters are asked to predict their own behavior at some point in the future, exit polls ask voters leaving the voting booth to report an action they just executed. The results are exquisitely accurate: Exit polls in Germany, for example, have never missed the mark by more than three-tenths of one percent.

"Exit polls are almost never wrong," Dick Morris, a political consultant who has worked for both Republicans and Democrats, noted after the 2004 vote. Such surveys are "so reliable," he added, "that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries."

In 2003, vote tampering revealed by exit polling in the Republic of Georgia forced Eduard Shevardnadze to step down. And in November 2004, exit polling in the Ukraine -- paid for by the Bush administration -- exposed election fraud that denied Viktor Yushchenko the presidency.

But that same month, when exit polls revealed disturbing disparities in the U.S. election, the six media organizations that had commissioned the survey treated its very existence as an embarrassment. Instead of treating the discrepancies as a story meriting investigation, the networks scrubbed the offending results from their Web sites and substituted them with ''corrected'' numbers that had been weighted, retroactively, to match the official vote count. Rather than finding fault with the election results, the mainstream media preferred to dismiss the polls as flawed.

In scientific parlance, that's called "fudging your data".

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But as the evening progressed, official tallies began to show implausible disparities -- as much as 9.5 percent -- with the exit polls. In ten of the eleven battleground states, the tallied margins departed from what the polls had predicted. According to Steven F. Freeman, a visiting scholar at the University of Pennsylvania who specializes in research methodology, the odds against all three of those shifts occurring in concert are one in 660,000.

"As much as we can say in sound science that something is impossible," he says, "it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote count in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

He and several other high-powered statisticians came out and said outright that the only explanation that can't be ruled out is FRAUD.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

Again, you probably don't recall because your collective heads were stuck up

SIGNYM

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:21 PM

It's All Over As "Leave" Wins Brexit Referendum: Markets Everywhere Are Crashing

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-
first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope

Brexit: David Cameron to quit after UK votes to leave EU

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:34 PM

What this reminds me of is the Greek vote on austerity. The polls were saying it was a close vote, and most Greeks assumed that the pro-EU party would win, but in the end, 60% voted against austerity and against the EU.

What happened after THAT was a different story! Tsipras (Greek PM) was hoping that people would vote for staying in. In other words, although he campaigned on an anti-austerity platform he was hoping to lose the vote. In the end, he ignored the will of the people. The Finance Minister- Yanis Veroufakis - resigned, and there have been riots ever since (never covered by the press).

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I had a feeling the vote would turn out this way, but I didn't want to say anything. The reason why is because NPR - ever the purveyor of Democratic National Committee POV- started to CAUTIOUSLY cover the Brexit story two days ago (which they had been avoiding) and- even more telling- started to discuss a Brexit.

All of the opinions lining up behind Bremain were (1) banks (2) American businessmen manufacturing in Britain and exporting to the EU (3) British businessmen exporting to the EU and (4) EU citizens living in Britain. The nail in coffin - not only for what was said but also for the fact that it was broadcast - was an interview with a famous British author (whose name I forget) when cautiously asked " What do you tell people who want to remain in the EU?" responded "I haven't met anyone who does!". TPTB did everything they could to win the vote. I wouldn't discard the concept of outright vote fraud either. An exit poll might have resulted in much higher Brexit percentages. But the vote is done. Now we see what TPTB do about it.

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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 24, 2016 5:46 PM

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It's All Over As "Leave" Wins Brexit Referendum: Markets Everywhere Are Crashing

some vids

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Tony Blair on Brexit - BBC News

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