Brexit vote Thursday June 23
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 17:26
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Quote:The EU was 100% unmotivated to "fix" ANYthing until the Brexit vote. Then, all of a sudden, they started talking about making the EU "relevant" to ordinary people, and "delivering results".
It is possible to fix the undemocratic EU, but not possible if the UK’s government is sabotaging it.
The EU commissioners, technocrats, and councilors have NO INTENTION of reforming anything. They're hoping to punish the Brits for having the temerity to leave, like an abusive husband who is both shocked and offended that his wife ... actually ... left him. I'm not seeing ANY move towards greater democracy.
If anything the EU is doubling down on the usual carrots and sticks- NOW they're talking about an EU army to "keep the peace within their borders" (Maybe Greece needs to be invaded, yanno? Or Poland!) And they've broken their own policy of not allowing individual governments to bail out their own banks unless the shareholders and depositors have been "bailed in" first by allowing ITALY to provide guarantees against its own banks, to PREVENT A RUN ON ITALIAN BANKS.
With the EU, it's not about "rules" it's all about power. Germany has the first say, France has the second, and Italy has the third (but only on small things, and only if German and France agree with it). Meanwhile, they will browbeat and extort Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Poland ... any nation too small to stand up for itself.
You have fantasies of TPTB ... the Dems, Obama, Hillary, the EU, Merkel, Hollande ... being "nice people", believing that they think about your (our) safety and prosperity. A sort of West Wing vision of politics. In reality we are only so much fodder for their dreams of wealth and power. When they're not thinking about how to get MORE MONEY they're thinking about creating a nice safe post-job niche/ hidey hole. And when they're not thinking about that, they're thinking about how to dismember their political enemies who are, after all, fighting for the same piece of monetary pie.
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.
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Hee hee. A really good movie imho. I have also seen one of these for "They cancelled Firefly???"
Yeah I saw it, it was superb. A friend of mine made one for England's exit from Euro 2016 - https://twitter.com/PunditShearer/status/747858657141006336
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KPO: do you think Cameron is being a bit, hmmmm, weak by running away from this?
Hmm, when the results came in commentators were starting to say his position was untenable. He had campaigned so hard to Remain, he couldn't credibly lead the country through an exit. Someone who believes in that cause, has a vision of Britain flourishing outside the EU, an idiot basically, should have that task.
There's also still the possibility that the population's mood might shift, and change its mind about quitting the EU. This is not unlikely to happen if and when the nation is confronted with the specific terms of a negotiated post-Brexit deal with the EU. A lot of Leave supporters will be pretty disappointed to find that the deal will be a compromise with the EU on 3 issues:
1) Still allowing a lot of EU migrants into the country
2) Still paying a lot of £££ into the EU
Or else
3) Suffering severe economic disruption at not having access to the Single Market.
Leave voters were promised everything by the various Brexit proponents, and they may be in for a shock when the specifics are hashed out. In any case, Brexit leaders must have large control over the UK's final deal with the EU, because if Cameron were to do it people would blame him for the rubbish Brexit deal saying his heart wasn't in it, rather than seeing that they were lied to by the Brexiteers.
For the same reason it would be foolish for the EU to take a vindictive, punitive stance in its negotiations with the UK. There's no need for them to go out of their way to teach us a lesson - UK people may learn it by themselves when confronted with the clear, unpretty picture of life outside of the EU.
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US stock indexes end strong week with tiny gains
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-stock-indexes-edge-higher-142154585.h
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U.S. stock indexes marked their fourth consecutive gain Friday, an upbeat finish for a week that got off to a turbulent start as investors fretted about Britain's vote to leave the European Union.
In the days since the two-day market tumble ended on Tuesday, the U.S. stock market came close to regaining all the ground lost since the vote last week. It ended the week up 3 percent, its biggest weekly gain since November.
The main stock indexes in Europe posted even bigger gains this week, with British stocks recouping all their losses along the way.
At the same time, demand for U.S. Treasurys surged this week, driving bond prices sharply higher. That pulled down the yield on the 10-year Treasury note to 1.44 percent Friday, close to its record low.
Investors also bid up the price of gold, another traditional safe-haven.
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I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
KPO, wherever did you get the idea that I was anything but FOR ordinary working people?- SIGNY
So you believe this Brexit result that you're cheering will benefit ordinary working British people?- KPO
No. I believe Brexit will give ordinary working people the CHANCE to improve their lives by taking control of their government.
Until Brexit, the ordinary working people of Britain had no chance at all. They were in thrall to the European Commission over which ordinary working people anywhere in the EU have no say at all.
Nothing is certain, but if the Brits do it right, they can come through this like Iceland did.
Failed Socialism: What’s Next After the Brexit Referendum?
"As I’ve been saying the last couple of weeks, British citizens and businesses have grown fed up with an avalanche of failed socialist rules and regulations from Brussels, responsible for bringing growth and innovation to a grinding halt. Even if the referendum had gone the other way, it should still have served as a wake-up call to the European Union’s unelected bureaucratic dictators. Euroscepticism and populist movements are gathering momentum in EU countries from Italy to France to Sweden, and the week before last, fiercely independent Switzerland, which voted against joining the EU in the 1990s, finally yanked its membership application for good."
http://www.etftrends.com/2016/07/failed-socialism-whats-next-after-the
-brexit-referendum/
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I hear bank withdrawals have been frozen for some - sound like Greece, also a EU member.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-i
n-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life
http://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/panic-withdrawals-halt-fo
ur-more-uk-property-funds
http://www.livemint.com/Money/6Z3sKu9Z67Js6QIzSLLkGK/Brexit-fallout-Pa
nic-withdrawals-halt-three-more-UK-propert.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-property-shares-drop-on-uncertainty-fo
llowing-eu-referendum-vote-1467715870
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-u-k-property-funds-halt-withdrawals-as-b
rexit-fears-rise/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-06/henderson-suspends-5
-billion-real-estate-fund-on-liquidity
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far the Dow has only dropped about 600 points.
Many are making it sound like mayhem.
This week, looks like on 15 July, DJIA hit it's all-time high of 18,557.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
If you look at the growth rate in England it is at 7 plus percent since the crash. The rest of Europe excluding Germany is 0.3 % or so. If you look at the unemployment rate England is at around 5. something present. From there it goes to like 17% in Spain. England is paying in much more to Europe than it is getting back.
Also the English are looking at the future. Many refuse to realize that with global warming Europe is going to be very vulnerable to immigrants migrating to Europe in numbers that dwarf what they are dealing with now.
A major consequence to England could be Scotland voting to leave England so they may stay in the EU. Big misstate because the EU is a failed experiment. Watch Ireland as well. These directly effect the United Kingdom. Other European countries will follow England's lead. This does not affect NATO.
For all the skeptics not supporting Brexit here is a fresh take on some of the actions needed to give the European Union a chance to succeed. Changes that are probably not going to happen.
Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz Says the Euro Needs Big Reform
THE EURO
How a Common Currency Threatens the Future of Europe
"The nasty headlines from across the Atlantic — Brexit, terrorism, debt crises — almost make us forget that these were supposed to be Europe’s salad days. With a common currency and increasing integration, Europe was, finally, bidding adieu to cross-border conflict and economic crisis. Turmoil and strife were so very 20th century; the future was to be only digital apps and polyglot cafes.
Well, they still have Chartres, and they still have Goethe. They also have millions of migrants, rising nationalism, recurrent recessions and plummeting birthrates. What went wrong?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/books/review/euro-joseph-e-stiglitz.
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A 90-minute shouting match: Suella Braverman had 'fiery' meeting with Liz Truss before quitting as Home Secretary and plunging the knife in... as senior Tories hold urgent talks on how to remove Prime Minister from office
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11333993/Suella-Braverman-90-
minute-shouting-match-Liz-Truss-quitting-Home-Secretary.html
Can Boris Johnson come back as Prime Minister?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20172191/can-boris-johnson-come-back-as-
prime-minister/
Man convinced Boris Johnson will return as PM after 'spotting his face in chicken korma'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-convinced-boris-johnson-r
eturn-28274982
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Fiery Sunak locks horns with Starmer over economy, Brexit and Braverman in first PMQs as Prime Minister
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sunak-starmer-lock-horns-first-pmqs/
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