Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
POSTED BY: reaverfan
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:39
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SECOND, I assume that you posted those extended (negative) opinion pieces about Sanders because you agree with them.
So here's my take on those pieces:
Looking for president in the geriatric crowd: Garrison Keillor
I enjoy Keillor and his stories of Lives of the Cowboys, Guy Noir, and especially Lake Woebegone which in many ways was like my (small) hometown. I'm sad that he's retiring but I recognize that he's earned it. I guess I'll just have to content myself with rebroadcasts. But I'm not about to take political advice from a guy who seems to be swayed more by youth and style than by the issues. Sorry Garrison, you don't get my vote.
Hillary Clinton can't quite decide what she wants to say about Bernie Sanders
The problem with Hillary Clinton isn't that she's some sort of uber-wonk who can't draft a clear message because she's got all of the details in mind. HER problems is that she's been wrong on every single issue, from health care to NAFTA to Iraq to Libya. (I posted an article which lists all of her failings here: Would the World Survive President Hillary? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60433&p=1#1
009887.) That woman is a disaster. Trying to portray her as some sort of mastermind is tragically lame, since she's flubbed everything except getting $$$ stuffed into her pocket.
Bernie would approve of Obama's eloquent description of the subtle corrupting effect from the fundraising process
And, yes, even "mainstream" Democrats can admit to the corrupting influence of money. The difference between Sanders and Obama, however, is that Sanders has a history of actively fighting against it for decades, while Obama's record is pitifully weak.
One thing that the MSM repeats often is Clinton's "overwhelming" delegate lead. The part they leave out (I wonder why) is that much of that lead comes from "superdelegates". Like Colorado GOP handing its delegates to Cruz without even holding an election, the Dem party central committee is dedicated to disenfranchising its own voters. They've selected Hillary as the heir apparent since she won't upset their comfortable relationships with the banks, the CIA and T(other)PTB.
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As you know, I'm not a huge Bernie fan. But the thought of voting for that evil witch Clinton (with apologies to witches everywhere) makes me gag.
Bernie doesn't need to be on top of every detail. That's not the President's job. It's up to the President to assemble a team of trusted (and hopefully realistic) advisors who can get and keep those details for him.
But I don't expect Sanders to achieve his goals as President. Breaking up the banks (which BTW are still dangerously TBTF, an article about it here http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/04/the-fed-sends-a-frightening-lett
er-to-jpmorgan-and-corporate-media-yawns/) and getting money out of politics is not in the cards. It would be enough for him to simply veto the more egregious notions of Congress (like voting for the TPP/TTIP) and to block the more egregious actions of the State Department and the CIA (like destabilizing YET ANOTHER nation) and to nominate a reasonable Supreme Court Justice. If Bernie can do that - and I think those are all every achievable goals well within his grasp - then he deserves a vote.
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Quote:Never.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You seem nonplussed.
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For all her talk, Hillary has no problem whoring for every single thing Sanders is against.
She's without a conscience, and a complete sociopath. The video above proves it without question. She's every bit as evil as Bush, and is actually very friendly with all the PNAC neocons.
She WILL get us into another war. Put that in the predictions thread.
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SGG
Have you read the article? Just curious. You mean the one I quoted from beginning to end, with the FULL context of the questions and each entire reply in green; rather than the dishonestly reported version 2nd posted? Yes.
A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob" The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies" written on the cover. Yours is a wildly inaccurate analogy. The more accurate analogy would be - she sees a blind licensed electrician with a truck that says on its side "we break it"; and she also sees her concerned neighbor who says "we need to find a way to fix that". Because Hillary has never even admitted to the existence of the problems Bernie focuses on. That's why the woman with the major leaks sees a blind electrician, not a sighted plumber. Also, every decision of Hillary's has led to a disaster. Well, maybe those were her intended goals, but they look like disasters for the American people from where I am. That's why the logo on the truck says "we break it". Meanwhile, Bernie comes over, sees the leak, thinks it's a problem, and goes about finding the fix for it.
Who do you think has the better chance of fixing the leak?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Quote:It is second, not SECOND.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, I assume that you posted those extended (negative) opinion pieces about Sanders because you agree with them.
As you know, I'm not a huge Bernie fan. But the thought of voting for that evil witch Clinton (with apologies to witches everywhere) makes me gag.
If Republicans had not revised the Constitution out of pure vindictiveness toward FDR and the New Deal, I would prefer Obama running for a third term to Clinton or Bernie. But I would prefer any Democrat to any Republican, partly because a Republican would pick a Scalia clone for the Supreme Court. I think Bernie has no chance of winning against any Republican, once their noise machine bombards us for months about Bernie's beliefs and the fact that Bernie still has not posted all his tax forms going back to year 2000. I know he has done them, so why is he waiting? I know why Republicans don’t post theirs: tax cheating and greed will be evident.
Pretty soon that will make no difference because the witch will beat Bernie. Then the noise machine will be turned on the witch, but it has been noisily pointing out the witch's faults since Benghazi and the emails, however many years ago that started.
To summarize:
1) I prefer Obama to Clinton or Bernie, but I can't have Obama because of far-sighted Republicans acting in 1947.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_St
ates_Constitution
2) Bernie has little chance at this second of being elected President and very soon everyone will know he has no chance.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new
-york-democratic/
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-res
ults.html?_r=0
3) That leaves Clinton. I do hope Democrats would vote for a witch rather than stay home and let the Republicans win. But, you know, Democrats tend to not go to the polls and then they tend to not understand that that is the reason the Republicans win. Or Democrats vote for a Ralph Nader and that is another reason the Republicans win.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"I do hope Democrats would vote for a witch rather than stay home and let the Republicans win."
If the "Democratic" Party didn't learn from their losses in governorships over the last couple of decades, in the House, and in the Senate, maybe they'll learn if they lose the White House.
I kinda don't think so, but there's always a chance. And it would serve them right if Republicans elected the first populist president instead of the usual party handmaiden.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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SECOND I capitalize everyone I address because that's the way it shows up on the site, and it also helps to get the attention of those whom I'm addressing.
You've usually been rational in the past, why are you so emotional over this discussion?
We're still at the primaries stage, so who you'll be voting for is not who'll be President but who'll be candidate.
But, OK, thinking ahead, what are the probabilities?
Clinton v Trump
Clinton v Cruz
Sanders v Trump
Sanders v Cruz
Now, personally, I can't imagine many Democrats who would "stay home" if either Cruz or Trump were on the ticket, no matter WHO is on the Democrat side. There's enough negatives with both Trump and Cruz to scare almost every Democrat into voting blue (except me, but I'm atypical). So why not vote for Sanders? It would send a big fat message to party hacks that maybe they should start working for their base again. And even if he wins, he may not "get much accomplished" but so what? Considering what Hillary has "accomplished" in her political life, less is probably better.
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Actually, BOTH!!! HI-larious!!!
You know what else is funny, how Libya is the only thing NOT Obama's fault.
Bush invades Iraq, well that's fine. Kills, or has killed, Sadam; oh, that's
applauded.............downright laughable.
Then Obama gets Osama (hey that rhymes!) and he's BBQ'd for actually doing
something right, and something that Bush had promised.
Stop it, my sides are hurting......lol
Benghazi Committee is actually set to meet AGAIN! Ha, ha I'm dying here. It is
now officially the longest government-sponsored investigation in America's
history, and the least effective.
http://democrats-benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/benghazi-commi
ttee-now-one-of-the-longest-and-least-active-congressional
"During this time, the Select Committee has identified no evidence to
support claims that Secretary Clinton ordered a stand-down, approved an
illicit weapons program, or any of the other wild allegations about the
Benghazi attacks Republicans have made about her for years."
Stop it, stop it you're killing me............lmao
SfGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It is kinda funny........lmao -SGG
Which part's funny? The part where Clinton turned Libya into a failed state crawling with jihadists? Or the part where she's so happy about it?
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SGG, when did you turn into a jerk?
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Lesson received loud and clear.
SfGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG
Have you read the article? Just curious. You mean the one I quoted from beginning to end, with the FULL context of the questions and each entire reply in green; rather than the dishonestly reported version 2nd posted? Yes.
A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob" The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies" written on the cover. Yours is a wildly inaccurate analogy. The more accurate analogy would be - she sees a blind licensed electrician with a truck that says on its side "we break it"; and she also sees her concerned neighbor who says "we need to find a way to fix that". Because Hillary has never even admitted to the existence of the problems Bernie focuses on. That's why the woman with the major leaks sees a blind electrician, not a sighted plumber. Also, every decision of Hillary's has led to a disaster. Well, maybe those were her intended goals, but they look like disasters for the American people from where I am. That's why the logo on the truck says "we break it". Meanwhile, Bernie comes over, sees the leak, thinks it's a problem, and goes about finding the fix for it.
Who do you think has the better chance of fixing the leak?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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