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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, February 10, 2024 2:46 AM

Meanwhile. Zaluzhny is out bc he might be a political or military threat to Zelenskiy. "Meat grinder" Sirsky, who is 100% loyal to Zelenskiy, is in. Sirsky, who's was responsible for the Debaltsevo cauldron and the bloody but fruitless defense of Bakhmut, is supposedly taking his "not one millimeter" approach to Avdiivka and is calling in more reinforcements for the Russian army to bomb to smithereens.

Since Sirsky seems to be taking orders directly from "cokehead in a bunker" Zelenskiy, I expect this will just lead to a faster unraveling of the Ukrainian army, and - at some point- another Maidan movement as those remaining in Ukraine object to getting pushed into an endless string of fire sacks.

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Saturday, February 10, 2024 3:43 AM

Some Day, Ukraine Will Run Out Of Su-25 Attack Jets. That’s Why It Wants Ex-American A-10s.

By David Axe | Feb 8, 2024, 06:44pm EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/08/some-day-ukraine-will
-run-out-of-su-25-attack-jets-thats-why-it-wants-ex-american-a-10s/?sh=3b04619f4753


Russian forces shot down a Ukrainian air force Sukhoi Su-25 attack jet while it was flying a combat sortie over eastern Ukraine on Thursday. Pilot Stanislav Rykov, the veteran of more than 380 missions — that’s one sortie every other day since Russia widened its war on Ukraine — tragically died.

Mourn for Rykov, but don’t mourn — yet — for the air force’s 299th Tactical Aviation Brigade, the sole Ukrainian operator of the subsonic, twin-engine Su-25. Nearly two years after Russia attacked, the 299th Brigade has ... exactly as many Su-25s as it started with.

Which is not to say the air force isn’t looking ahead to the day when the aging Su-25s begin to run out. It’s not for no reason that some Ukrainian officials have been asking for ex-U.S. Air Force Fairchild Republic A-10 attack jets.

The Ukrainian air force inherited scores of the armored Su-25s from the Soviet air force as the latter withdrew from Ukraine after 1991. By early 2022, 43 of the aging planes still were flyable, according to aviation journalist Vladimir Trendafilovski.

The journalist counted 30 operational Su-25s, one that was undergoing overhaul at the Zaporizhzhia State Aircraft Repair Plant plus another 12 that were in flyable storage at Mykolaiv-Kulbakino, the 299th’s Brigade home base in southern Ukraine.

When Russia invaded on Feb. 24, 2022, the Su-25s and their pilots and crews scattered across Ukraine to dodge Russian missiles — and then flew into action, streaking toward Russian forces at extremely low level to drop bombs and fire rockets.

The Russians over the next two years shot down or blew up on the ground 18 Su-25s, and killed many pilots. But between them, Macedonia and Bulgaria donated to Ukraine — you guessed it — 18 Su-25s. While it’s possible the 299th Brigade has stripped some of the donated airframes for spare parts, it’s equally possible the unit instead cannibalized older ex-Soviet Sukhois — and sent the donated jets into action.

All that is to say that, despite heavy losses, the 299th Brigade very much remains in the fight. It’s the same situation the Ukrainian air force’s other brigades are in. Units flying Sukhoi Su-24 bombers, Sukhoi Su-27 fighters and Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters have maintained their front-line strength by acquiring fresh jets from abroad — in the MiG-29 brigades’ case — or by reactivating old stored jets.

Still, Ukrainian officials seem to appreciate that there no longer is an abundance of excess Su-25s in the arsenals of allied countries. Any further losses could eat into the 299th Brigade’s strength.

So it should come as no surprise that Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky — formerly chief of the ground forces, now the head of the entire armed forces — has his heart set on American A-10s. The subsonic, twin-engine A-10 broadly is similar to the Su-25. If anything, it’s better-protected and much better-armed.

“This is not a new machine,” Syrsky said about the A-10, “but a reliable one that has proven itself in many wars, and which has a wide array of weapons for destroying land targets to help the infantry.”

The U.S. Air Force operates around 200 of the 1970s- and ’80s-vintage A-10s. Hundreds more are in storage. There’s no reason that, given a few months of training, Ukrainian pilots couldn’t fly the tough attack jets.

But there are political reasons the 299th Brigade might never get A-10s. Starting last fall, Russia-aligned Republicans in the U.S. Congress refused to vote on any further aid to Ukraine: aid that could provide the Ukrainians with ammunition, armored vehicles, artillery and — yes — warplanes.

So the 299th Brigade must make do with its 40 or so Su-25s — or get in line for fresh jets from some donor other than the United States. Say, Lockheed Martin F-16s from Norway, The Netherlands a

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Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:11 AM

Putin Defends Hitler's Invasion of Poland in Carlson Interview

Feb 09, 2024 at 12:46 PM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-putin-defends-hitlers-invasion-pol
and-carlson-interview-1868582


Putin's claim that Hitler was "forced" to invade Poland is not accepted by historical evidence. Hitler broke Germany's non-aggression pact with Poland, signed in January 1934, under the guise of what it claimed was Polish aggression.

The National WWII Museum in New Orleans writes "Hitler was determined to make it look as if the Poles had provoked the hostilities and the SS obliged by staging numerous false-flag operations and 'Polish provocations' against Germans."

It adds "According to the testimony of Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujocks at Nuremberg, Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich "Gestapo" Müller ordered Operation Himmler to make the Poles appear to be the aggressors and to justify the coming war."

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum says that to justify the invasion, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland.

"They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany. The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony attack on a German radio station. The Germans falsely accused the Poles of this attack. Hitler then used the action to launch a 'retaliatory' campaign against Poland."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 10, 2024 7:44 AM

More of SECOND'S blah-blah-blah and misrepresentation.

Nobody believes you any more, SECOND. Not even THUGR.


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Saturday, February 10, 2024 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SECOND'S blah-blah-blah and misrepresentation.

Nobody believes you any more, SECOND. Not even THUGR.

Have you asked why Belarus is NOT treating NATO as if it is threatening to destroy Belarus? And why doesn't Belarus attack those Ukrainian Nazis? These are big questions, Signym. There is one answer:

Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko has not been as successful as Putin at persuading his citizens to back the Ukraine war.

Ukraine war: why propaganda doesn’t work as well in Belarus as it does in Russia

By Natasha Lindstaedt, Professor, Department of Government, University of Essex | February 9, 2024, 11:50am EST

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-why-propaganda-doesnt-work-as-
well-in-belarus-as-it-does-in-russia-222038


Though Russia has accidentally bombed one of its own villages, implemented a harsh conscription policy, and already faced 315,000 casualties, Russian support for the “special military operation” in Ukraine has not wavered much. Throughout the conflict, levels of support have averaged about 75%.

In contrast, Belarusian people are far more wary of being drawn into the conflict. Based on a survey conducted by the thinktank Chatham House in August 2022, only 25% supported Russia’s actions (if it meant not getting directly involved), while a whopping 97% opposed the deployment of Belarusian troops.

Additionally, a surprisingly low number of Belarusians (26%) said they would feel negatively if Belarusian soldiers refused to fight or follow orders. Some Belarusians have even become directly involved in the conflict to support Ukraine, such as in May 2023 when Belarusian volunteers tricked the Russians into firing on their own positions in the town of Bakmut.

As conducting surveys in authoritarian regimes draws concern that the responses may be biased in favour of the regime, this makes the results in Belarus even more surprising. Meanwhile, the country’s president, Alexander Lukashenko, has allowed Russian troops to pass through his territory to invade Ukraine, and supported Putin’s invasion.

Why Belarus is different

For the most part, the majority of urban Belarusians surveyed want Belarus to distance itself from the war and express neutrality. In contrast to Russians, Belarusian society considers the war senseless and harmful to Belarus.

What explains these diverging views? In general, Belarusians are much more war averse than Russians, with very different memories of what they call “the great patriotic war” (the second world war). Of all of the former Soviet republics, Belarus sustained the most casualties per capita, and since gaining independence in 1991, it aspired for neutrality – something that was built into its constitution. But this was put into jeopardy from 2020, when Lukashenko was forced to cosy up to Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, after protests broke out challenging the Belarus election.

Russian propaganda wins

But Russia also lost millions of men to the great patriotic war, so why is Putin so much more effective in convincing Russians to support another conflict, compared with Lukashenko?

In stark comparison to Belarus, Russia has developed a successful propaganda machine that is entertaining, confusing and overwhelming. Flooding citizens with information that demonises its opponents is a key component to Russia’s propaganda strategy.

Russian propaganda uses a large number of channels and constantly disseminates falsehoods at high volume and speed. This onslaught of propaganda makes it even harder for its citizens to discern what is false and what is the truth. Indeed, research has demonstrated that receiving similar messages from multiple sources, no matter the veracity, is very persuasive.


Russia has been agile in targeting social media, using the popular messaging platform Telegram to create different channels that support pro-Kremlin narratives. In gearing up for the war against Ukraine, Russia promoted

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Saturday, February 10, 2024 9:04 PM



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Saturday, February 10, 2024 11:14 PM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SECOND'S blah-blah-blah and misrepresentation.

Nobody believes you any more, SECOND. Not even THUGR.

SECOND: Have you asked why Belarus is NOT treating NATO as if it is threatening to destroy Belarus? And why doesn't Belarus attack those Ukrainian Nazis? These are big questions, Signym. There is one answer



Because up until a couple of years ago, when the CIA tried overthrowing Lukashenko, Lukashenko never considered Belarus a USA target. And that's bc, for decades, it never was. Because it was never big enough, or rich enough, or had enough military resources to get a bullseye painted on it.

So Lukashenko was allowed (by the west) to remain as President since 1994 (30 years) without any massive propaganda campaigns, and Belarus was alowed to continue its Soviet-style economy, which never went thru the same upheavels as Russia, and Belarussians were more or less content with the way things were without western agitprop winding things up.

But once the CIA tried a (premature, not fully prepared) regime change operation there, Lukashenko realized which side his bread was buttered on.

You post ridiculous propaganda that has nothing to do with reality.



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Syrsky's appt is not going down well in Ukraine, or anywhere.

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Zaluzhny Finally Dismissed as Chaos Reigns in AFU



He’s being called a ‘butcher’ and is known in other circles as a meat-grinder who refused to give an inch in Bakhmut while calling for frontal meat-assaults, leading to the extermination of an entire field army group.

Zelensky on the other hand praises him for his grand achievements: the Kiev “defense” and the Kharkov offensive. Unfortunately, as sector commander in 2015, he was also reportedly responsible for the infamous Debaltsevo cauldron:

*We have collected the most famous operations of Syrsky, the new commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

Debaltsevo-2015
Soledar-2022
Bakhmut-2022
All these operations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ended in encirclement and defeat for them. Two majors.

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But here’s the most important angle that few others, it seems, have noticed.

Ask yourself, why would Zelensky appoint a commander that the entire armed forces allegedly hates?

In fact, this is a ‘design feature’ not a bug.

Recall that the reason Zaluzhny was given the boot was he had become too powerful: he was too loved by the troops, and by the people. Why? One of the reasons is likely because he fought for the troops multiple times. In early 2023, documents were leaked showing that he nearly begged Zelensky to pull troops back from Bakhmut, but the narco-Fuhrer refused, wanting it as a symbolic city defense—perhaps taken with romantic delusions of Stalingrad.

During the grand summer ‘counteroffensive’, Zaluzhny pulled the brigades of the 10th Army Corps back and began to use them sparingly—much to the chagrin and disapproval of US sponsors—after the initial first few wipes devastated columns of Leopards and Bradleys along the infamous road of death near Rabotino and Mala Tokmachka.

Recently it was claimed Zaluzhny likewise attempted to get Avdeevka totally withdrawn. It does not seem that he likes to waste men for what he knows to be fruitless efforts. Syrsky on the other hand appears glad to grind them down.

So, has it become obvious yet? Zelensky needs a commander-in-chief he can control, someone not universally loved by the troops; someone who cannot use those troops at a time of opportunity to ‘march on Kiev’ and oust Zelensky from his citadel. Syrsky appears to fit the perfect prototypical role: undefiant, unpopular, uncharismatic, and most importantly, untempted by political ambitions—the ideal subserviant factotum to Zelensky’s regime.

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Sunday, February 11, 2024 3:19 AM

At the end of 2023, total U.S. aid to Ukraine reached more than $79 billion. America's Department of Defense said in a release on Friday that $43 billion of that has included defense capabilities.

The European Union and its member states have pledged $148.5 billion in aid — including military, financial and humanitarian assistance — since the start of the war in February 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraines-military-receive-double-boost-nato-a
llies-1868679


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 11, 2024 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SECOND'S blah-blah-blah and misrepresentation.

Nobody believes you any more, SECOND. Not even THUGR.

SECOND: Have you asked why Belarus is NOT treating NATO as if it is threatening to destroy Belarus? And why doesn't Belarus attack those Ukrainian Nazis? These are big questions, Signym. There is one answer



Because up until a couple of years ago, when the CIA tried overthrowing Lukashenko, Lukashenko never considered Belarus a USA target. And that's bc, for decades, it never was. Because it was never big enough, or rich enough, or had enough military resources to get a bullseye painted on it.

So Lukashenko was allowed (by the west) to remain as President since 1994 (30 years) without any massive propaganda campaigns, and Belarus was alowed to continue its Soviet-style economy, which never went thru the same upheavels as Russia, and Belarussians were more or less content with the way things were without western agitprop winding things up.

But once the CIA tried a (premature, not fully prepared) regime change operation there, Lukashenko realized which side his bread was buttered on.

You post ridiculous propaganda that has nothing to do with reality.

Belarus has not invaded Ukraine. Explain why no invasion, Signym.

Belarusian people are far more wary of being drawn into the conflict. Based on a survey conducted by the thinktank Chatham House in August 2022, only 25% supported Russia’s actions (if it meant not getting directly involved), while a whopping 97% opposed the deployment of Belarusian troops.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-why-propaganda-doesnt-work-as-
well-in-belarus-as-it-does-in-russia-222038


Why has Belarus not invaded Ukraine? Because Putin is not its head of state and the Belarusian people aren't soaking up Putin's propaganda.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 11, 2024 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SECOND'S blah-blah-blah and misrepresentation.

Nobody believes you any more, SECOND. Not even THUGR.

SECOND: Have you asked why Belarus is NOT treating NATO as if it is threatening to destroy Belarus? And why doesn't Belarus attack those Ukrainian Nazis? These are big questions, Signym. There is one answer



Because up until a couple of years ago, when the CIA tried overthrowing Lukashenko, Lukashenko never considered Belarus a USA target. And that's bc, for decades, it never was. Because it was never big enough, or rich enough, or had enough military resources to get a bullseye painted on it.

So Lukashenko was allowed (by the west) to remain as President since 1994 (30 years) without any massive propaganda campaigns, and Belarus was alowed to continue its Soviet-style economy, which never went thru the same upheavels as Russia, and Belarussians were more or less content with the way things were without western agitprop winding things up.

But once the CIA tried a (premature, not fully prepared) regime change operation there, Lukashenko realized which side his bread was buttered on.

You post ridiculous propaganda that has nothing to do with reality.

Belarus has not invaded Ukraine. Explain why no invasion, Signym.

Belarusian people are far more wary of being drawn into the conflict. Based on a survey conducted by the thinktank Chatham House in August 2022, only 25% supported Russia’s actions (if it meant not getting directly involved), while a whopping 97% opposed the deployment of Belarusian troops.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-why-propaganda-doesnt-work-as-
well-in-belarus-as-it-does-in-russia-222038


Why has Belarus not invaded Ukraine? Because Putin is not its head of state and the Belarusian people aren't soaking up Putin's propaganda.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Because Ukraine wasn't shelling close to Belarus' border. Because Ukraine wasn't massing troops on Belarus' border.

You dolt.


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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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