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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 3:34 AM

Good.

Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Zelensky.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 3:50 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND:
Define "winning".
Define "losing".

BTW, why DID you volunteer for Vietnam? Can you explain your rationale, what was the winning argument that convinced you that it was necessary, or at least a good thing to do?

Signym -- Why did I volunteer? I didn't want to go to college like my sisters. I didn't want to work at Burger King like my father and mother. The most meaningful life I could think of was in the military. Second in life for most meaningful was petrochemical plant construction, which is where I worked for two decades. That's all!

Russians have not defined what "winning" in Ukraine means. "Losing" is described as “Humans will turn into non-humans... humanity as a whole will be eradicated... What is ahead of us is the forced replacement of people with robots and robotization of the people… If we don’t confront the West, utter horror will follow, it will be a catastrophe.”

Here is the whole article:

Kremlin TV Stars Combust as Russians Admit War Is Aimless

Putin’s media darlings are promptly melting down as more Russians realize they “don’t understand what they’re doing” in Ukraine.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine continues to stall—along with the Kremlin propaganda blitz meant to convince the Russians that supporting the war is their sacred duty. Pro-Kremlin propagandists unanimously agree that Vladimir Putin’s war is here for the long haul, but bristle at the fact that no one seems to know the end goal of the so-called “special operation.”

During Wednesday’s broadcast of NTV’s show Meeting Place, hosts Andrey Norkin and Ivan Trushkin spearheaded a discussion about the effectiveness of homegrown propaganda, complaining about the lack of views and comments on “patriotic” promo reels urging the youth to rush for the front lines.

One guest, Russian rapper Ptakha, whose real name is David Nuriev, didn’t beat around the bush. “As far as the youth is concerned, honestly speaking, I communicate with a lot of them and very few understand what we’re doing there, because they [Ukrainians] didn’t cross our borders. Very few understand,” he said. “Trying to ride the wave of the Soviet ideology, claiming that we’re fighting Germans, is also very questionable.”

Trushkin asked: “Can you produce a clip explaining what we’re doing there, in a language that’s easy to understand?” Ptakha replied: “I don’t quite understand it myself.” Norkin angrily retorted: “I categorically reject what you’re saying right now, young man. Let’s stop butting heads over here.”

Undeterred, Ptakha continued to speak and said the Wagner Group of mercenaries are at war solely “to make money,” and that the rest of Russian troops don’t understand Moscow’s aims. As the guests piled on, loudly arguing with the inconvenient assessment, Norkin shut Ptakha down: “I don’t want to offend you or insult you, but you are very certain that you’re right, despite your lack of basis. You want us to explain all of this to you, but we aren’t going to do that. This is not the point of today’s program.”

During Monday’s airing of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, the eponymous propagandist complained about the “generation gap,” stating that mainly men of his own age are fighting in Ukraine, while younger Russians aren’t eager to march into battle.

In Solovyov’s Wednesday broadcast, the topics of propaganda and the widespread lack of understanding as to Russia’s long-ranging goals was likewise front and center. Andrey Sidorov, deputy dean of world politics at the Moscow State University, predicted that the West will intensify its information offensive against Russia during the spring of 2024—targeting the presidential election. “Russia’s destruction is the main goal of the West, they openly admit that,” he said.

With notable irritation, Sidorov pointed out: “When the government does not identify clear goals, it’s very difficult to fulfill your oath... so what is our goal?” He complained about the lack of clarity on

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 4:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, SECOND?
You seem to have plenty of time to post bullshit, but no time to answer three simple questions?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


The Story Behind The Infamous Viet Cong Photo That Shocked The World
Story by Mia Willaims • Yesterday 3:29 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-story-behind-the-infamous-vie
t-cong-photo-that-shocked-the-world/ss-AA14chDT#image=11


“The infamous Viet Cong photo,” taken by Eddie Adams in 1968, shocked the world when published by a joint US-Vietnam task-force. His stunning black-and-white photo depicts Lt. General Nguyen Loan executing a Vietcong prisoner in the city of Saigon . . .

This is a twisty-turny story from Vietnam that shines light on the Ukraine War, but you have to assembly the pictures in your head before you can see the pattern and what it all means. If you can't assembly it, and hold it in your mind for several minutes without dropping the pieces of the story, then it is just one damn picture after another, signifying almost nothing, unconnected to any theme larger than one person executing another. It would help to look in the wiki for the relationship between the photographer and the man with a gun:
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Adams would later lament the impact of the photo. On his photograph, Adams wrote in Time in 1998:

Two people died in that photograph: the recipient of the bullet and General Nguyen Ngoc Loan. The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapons in the world. People believe them; but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. ... What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American people?". ... This picture really messed up his life. He never blamed me. He told me if I hadn't taken the picture, someone else would have, but I've felt bad for him and his family for a long time. ... I sent flowers when I heard that he had died and wrote, "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes."

Loan moved to the United States, and in 1978, there was an unsuccessful attempt to rescind his permanent residence status (green card). Adams advocated for Loan when the U.S. government sought to deport him based on the photograph, and apologized in person to Loan and his family for the irreparable damage it did to his honor while he was alive. When Loan died, Adams praised him as a "hero" of a "just cause". On the television show War Stories with Oliver North Adams referred to Loan as "a goddamned hero!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Adams_(photographer)#Pulitzer_Priz
e%E2%80%93winning_photograph


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 6:33 PM

Russia fired more than 70 missiles at Ukraine on Friday in one of its biggest attacks since the start of the war, knocking out power in the second-biggest city.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Russia still had enough missiles for several more massive strikes. “Whatever the rocket worshippers from Moscow are counting on, it still won’t change the balance of power in this war,” he said in an evening address.

The mass strikes appeared to be a continuation of the Kremlin’s attempt to destroy Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. Ukraine’s state energy company Ukrenergo said energy consumption had fallen by 50% as a result of the attacks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/17/russia-ukraine-war-at-a-
glance-what-we-know-on-day-297-of-the-invasion


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 7:55 PM

Fuck Zelensky.

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Zelensky.

You and Volodymyr Zelenskyy are about the same age. He was Born 25 January 1978 (age 44).

Children 2
Spouse Olena Kiyashko (m. 2003)
Occupation Politician • actor • comedian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

6ix, if you could tell jokes like Zelenskyy, you could have an expansive life rather than your present-day minimalist one.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 9:07 PM

I prefer my minimalist lifestyle.

Besides... Kid fucking and crossdressing for laughs like Zelensky is nothing that I would ever aspire to.



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THG
Saturday, December 17, 2022 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Fuck Zelensky.

You and Volodymyr Zelenskyy are about the same age. He was Born 25 January 1978 (age 44).

Children 2
Spouse Olena Kiyashko (m. 2003)
Occupation Politician • actor • comedian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

6ix, if you could tell jokes like Zelenskyy, you could have an expansive life rather than your present-day minimalist one.






Russia invades Ukraine. Many countries offered Zelenskyy a ride out. He said I don't need a ride I need amunation.

Jack says fuck Zelensky. That says it all. Jack=ass=loser.

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 11:30 PM


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Fuck Zelensky.

SECOND: You and Volodymyr Zelenskyy are about the same age. He was Born 25 January 1978 (age 44).
Children 2
Spouse Olena Kiyashko (m. 2003)
Occupation Politician • actor • comedian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

6ix, if you could tell jokes like Zelenskyy, you could have an expansive life rather than your present-day minimalist one.

THUGR: Russia invades Ukraine. Many countries offered Zelenskyy a ride out. He said I don't need a ride I need amunation.
Jack says fuck Zelensky. That says it all. Jack=ass=loser.


Supposedly Zelenskiy has a number of mansions already, one in Florida and one in Italy, thanks to his CIA-StateDepartment-WH patrons.

The thing that's keeping him glued to Ukraine is his Nazi praetorian guard, who will shoot him in the head if he bolts from office.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Sunday, December 18, 2022 2:53 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Supposedly Zelenskiy has a number of mansions already, one in Florida and one in Italy, thanks to his CIA-StateDepartment-WH patrons.

The thing that's keeping him glued to Ukraine is his Nazi praetorian guard, who will shoot him in the head if he bolts from office.

Signym, your story is fake. The following is real, but whether it will work is still unknown:

Moscow has begun a new campaign to encourage Russians to enlist in the armed forces and fight in Ukraine, despite the Kremlin having denied needing more recruits.

In an attempt to attract more volunteers to the front, Russian propaganda videos posted on social networks in the past few days are trying to appeal to Russian men through the narratives of patriotism, morality and upward social mobility.

One of the videos, posted on December 14, features a young man who is choosing to fight instead of partying with his male friends and then surprises everyone by buying himself a car with the money he made from fighting on a military contract.

In another video, posted on December 15, the former girlfriend of a soldier is newly impressed with his courage and begs him to get back together with her. A further example shows a middle-aged man leaving the factory job that doesn’t pay him enough to sign a military contract and go to the front.

Another of the videos shows a group of 30-something, well-off Russian men loading a car as they are asked by elderly women where are they going. One of the men replies: “To Georgia. Forever.” When one woman spills a bag of groceries, the men just get into the car and leave, instead of helping, while younger Russian men rush to pick up the groceries. “The boys have left, the men stayed,” one of the elderly women concludes.

Many of the videos portray the war as an escape for men from a bleak daily reality of drinking vodka, poverty and helplessness. In November, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that it was better to be fighting for the motherland than to drink oneself to death on vodka.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/europe/moscow-army-recruits-intl/index.
html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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