Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Russia DIDN'T shoot down MH17. It may have been Donbas separatists who shot it down by accident, but Russians did not fire the missile and Russian officials didn't give the order to shoot.
How do know? You can’t possibly know anything you just said unless you were there. Were you there?
cue Ziggy fake exasperation in 3… 2… 1…
My exasperation isn't fake, UNLIKE YOUR CONSTANT "MISUNDERSTANDINGS"
Any happy camper who follows reality knows the prosecution isn't accusing Russians of firing anything.
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch prosecutors on Tuesday
said three Russians and a Ukrainian were
'fully responsible' for shooting down Malaysia Airlines
flight MH17 over Eastern Ukraine in 2014
and should be found guilty of murder.
The men - all of whom remain at large -
could face sentences of up to life imprisonment
if found guilty of helping to supply the missile system
used by Russian-backed rebels to fire a rocket at the passenger jet as
it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-12-21/suspects-in-dutc
h-trial-fully-responsible-for-mh17-downing-prosecution-says#:~:text=AMSTERDAM%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Dutch%20prosecutors,be%20found%20guilty%20of%20murder.
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Jeezus Christ, THUGR, learn to read, willya?
Does it say that Russians were accused of firing the missile?
No.
I helpfully highlighted the accusation so you could see that they are accused of "helping to supply" the missile system, used by SOMEONE ELSE.
Unlike CAPON, who "misunderstands" things on purpose, you just plain don't undertand.
No wonder nobody wants you on their team.
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SIGNYM:
Russia DIDN'T shoot down MH17. It may have been Donbas separatists who shot it down by accident, but Russians did not fire the missile and Russian officials didn't give the order to shoot.
CAPON: How do know? You can’t possibly know anything you just said unless you were there. Were you there?
SIGNYM: cue Ziggy fake exasperation in 3… 2… 1…
My exasperation isn't fake, UNLIKE YOUR CONSTANT "MISUNDERSTANDINGS"
Any happy camper who follows reality knows the prosecution isn't accusing Russians of firing anything.
THUGR:Quote:
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch prosecutors on Tuesday said three Russians and a Ukrainian were 'fully responsible' for shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Eastern Ukraine in 2014 and should be found guilty of murder.
The men - all of whom remain at large - could face sentences of up to life imprisonment
if found guilty of helping to supply the missile system used by Russian-backed rebels to fire a rocket at the passenger jet as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-12-21/suspects-in-dutc
h-trial-fully-responsible-for-mh17-downing-prosecution-says#:~:text=AMSTERDAM%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Dutch%20prosecutors,be%20found%20guilty%20of%20murder.
Seriously, if "helping to supply" weapons used in war crimes was a crime, everyone from Canadians to Americans to Swedes would be on trial.
Next time, please double check your post to make sure you're not embarassing yourself.
Again.
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7/8/22 at 9:19 AM EDT, Ukraine's armed forces on Friday claimed to have destroyed 35 Russian tanks in a single day. In the last week, claimed tank losses have ranged from two a day to a high of six, according to data from Ukraine.
The last time Russia released details of troop losses was on March 25. Russia hasn't disclosed its military equipment losses throughout the war. Russian officials have so far publicly denied that Moscow is having difficulties, but on June 30, Russia signaled that it could be suffering military losses after Putin's government created a draft federal law that would allow the country to quickly repair weapons and military equipment.
The Kremlin submitted a bill to the State Duma on "special economic measures" for "counterterrorist and other operations" outside of Russia, and an explanatory note attached to the bill said that there is, particularly amid the ongoing conflict, "a short-term increased need for the repair of weapons and military equipment."
The text of the draft law notes the need for Russia to repair its weapons and military equipment amid "a special military operation in the territories of the Donetsk People's Republic, the Luhansk People's Republic and Ukraine."
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-destroys-35-russian-tanks-single-day-
kyiv-forces-1722950
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Who is on trial?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus Christ, THUGR, learn to read, willya?
Does it say that Russians were accused of firing the missile?
No.
I helpfully highlighted the accusation so you could see that they are accused of "helping to supply" the missile system, used by SOMEONE ELSE.
Unlike CAPON, who "misunderstands" things on purpose, you just plain don't undertand.
No wonder nobody wants you on their team.
Three Russians nationals, Oleg Pulatov, Igor Girkin and Sergei Dubinsky, and one Ukrainian citizen, Leonid Kharchenko, are being tried in absentia for the crime of downing MH17 with a BUK missile. All four men are alleged to be lead figures in the Russian-backed forces occupying parts of Eastern Ukraine.
https://www.dw.com/en/mh17-trial-judges-get-first-look-at-cockpit-and-
fuselage/a-57678833
Russia has submitted many different stories about the MH17 crash. As older stories are shot down, new stories are launched. When the new stories are shot down, Russia relaunches the old stories. Colloquially the process is known as the Fire Hose of Falsehoods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Russian_medi
a_coverage
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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If THUGR doesn't comprehend and CAPON spins, SECOND flat-out pumps second-hand propaganda.
The trial looks highly political. Supposedly, authorities have recordings of intercepted communications of the group that fired the missile. Supposedly, there are geolocated photos. Supposedly, the identities of those who actually fired the missile are known.
So, who is on trial, and why?
Well, RUSSIANS, of course!
NOT for firing the missile, or for giving orders to fire the missile, not even for supplying the missile (according to the article quote) but for but for "helping" to supply the missile.
Seems like second-hand responsibility.
So, whatabout the USA supplying missiles to Saudis, who are using them to genocide Yemenis?
I think the charge is as much bullshit as RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!- a theater piece for propaganda purposes. The kind of "show trial" that the USSR was infamous for.
That's what the west has been reduced to.
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This is what was reported at the time:
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Here’s a segment of a conversation between an alleged pro-Russian rebel named Major and another identified as Grek, per Ukrainian authorities:
Major: The plane broke into pieces in the air … we have found the first 200 (dead). It’s a civilian.”
Grek: “How are things going there?”
M: “Well, we are 100% sure that it was a civilian plane.”
G: “Are there a lot of people?”
M: “F–k! The debris was falling straight into the yards.”
M: “Here are remnants of internal brackets, chairs, bodies.”
G: “Are there any weapons?”
M: “Nothing at all. Civilian belongings, medical scraps, towels, toilet paper.”
...
In a final segment of the alleged intercepted phone calls, an unidentified militant allegedly speaks with a Russian Cossack, Mykola Kozitsyn.
Militant: “On TV, they say like it is a Ukrainian An-26, a transport plane. But the writing says ‘Malaysia Airlines.’ What was it doing over the territory of Ukraine?”
Kozitsyn: “Well then it was bringing spies. Why the hell were they flying? This is war going on.”
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One recording, purportedly between the military chief of the separatist Lugansk National Republic and a Russian military intelligence officer, discusses the missile system, called a Buk.
The alleged rebel is heard telling the supposed Russian officer that they hold the Buk.
“Yes, I know that,” the Russian officer responds.
In a separate audio, another alleged Russian military intelligence officer and another rebel military chief discuss where to unload and hide the Buk.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-intercepted-a
udio/index.html
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If THUGR doesn't comprehend and CAPON spins, SECOND flat-out pumps second-hand propaganda.
The trial looks highly political. Supposedly, authorities have recordings of intercepted communications of the group that fired the missile. Supposedly, there are geolocated photos. Supposedly, the identities of those who actually fired the missile are known.
Define "political" in this case?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, who is on tial, and why?
Well, RUSSIANS, of course!
NOT for firing the missile, or for giving orders to fire the missile, not even for supplying the missile (according to the article quote) but for but for "helping" to supply the missile.
Seems like second-hand responsibility.
So, whatabout the USA supplying missiles to Saudis, who are using them to genocide Yemenis?
I think the charge is as much bullshit as RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!- a theater piece for propaganda purposes. The kind of "show trial" that the USSR was infamous for.
That's what the west has been reduced to.
The usual dishonesty and weak deflection from Ziggy.
"I think the charge is as much bullshit as RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!" That actually is totally true, but keep denying. Use up all the ink you need, it's still going to be true. It's almost Trumpian in your constant complaining about something in the past, like why keep bringing it up? It's not a positive for Russia or Trump.
This one is the funniest and lamest broken parallel argument:
"So, whatabout the USA supplying missiles to Saudis, who are using them to genocide Yemenis?"
Sooooo Russia was and still is in league with the Ukrainian separatists to kill Ukrainians, da? Is the US in league with the Saudis to kill Yemenis? No da.
The truth is no one - including you - know who pushed the button unless someone who was actually there gives them up. I would imagine that would be a death sentence for that person and they know it, so mum's the word. So, lacking that the court used a charge they could prove. If you pay as much attention to news as you say you do, you'd know that is not uncommon in legal cases. Make them pay for what you can charge them with.
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This thread is full of childish stories told by mentally-deprived propagandists.
Please let it die the quiet death it deserves.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This thread is full of childish stories told by mentally-deprived propagandists.
Please let it die the quiet death it deserves.
Well, since you put it that way...
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Quote:Oh, puhleez. Stop looking pathetic.
SIGNYM:
If THUGR doesn't comprehend and CAPON spins, SECOND flat-out pumps second-hand propaganda.
The trial looks highly political. Supposedly, authorities have recordings of intercepted communications of the group that fired the missile. Supposedly, there are geolocated photos. Supposedly, the identities of those who actually fired the missile are known.
CAPON: Define "political" in this case?
Quote:FIFY.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, who is on trial, and why?
Well, RUSSIANS, of course!
NOT for firing the missile, or for giving orders to fire the missile, not even for supplying the missile (according to the article quote) but for but for "helping" to supply the missile.
Seems like second-hand responsibility.
So, whatabout the USA supplying missiles to Saudis, who are using them to genocide Yemenis?
I think the charge is as much bullshit as RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!- a theater piece for propaganda purposes. The kind of "show trial" that the USSR was infamous for.
That's what the west has been reduced to.
CAPON: The usual honesty and insight from Ziggy.
Quote:So you agree the charges about TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! and the "murder" charges against the Russians are bullshit?
SIGNYM: I think the charge is as much bullshit as RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!"
CAPON: That actually is totally true, but keep denying.
Great!
Quote:Military? Yes
CAPON: This one is the funniest and lamest broken parallel argument:
"So, whatabout the USA supplying missiles to Saudis, who are using them to genocide Yemenis?"
Sooooo Russia was and still is in league with the Ukrainian separatists to kill Ukrainians, da?
Quote:Yes, we are. We not only provide the weapons, we provide training and targeting. When you have to pretend being stupid to make a point ...
CAPON: Is the US in league with the Saudis to kill Yemenis? No da.
Quote:But we know who it WASN'T bc they were on the phone, at a distance, with no direct responsibility for what happened.
CAPON: The truth is no one - including you - know who pushed the button
Quote:Against people they know weren't there.
CAPON: So, lacking that the court used a charge they could prove...
You asked me to define "political" when you provided a pellucidly clear example?
Stop being a moron, moron.
Let this thread die. You look stupider and weaselier with every post.
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