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Friday, May 1, 2020 6:06 PM

I think Sweden is fucked

Way too boastful on tv and shameless

one of the reasons it spread so rapidly in places like Spain and Italy you have that incubation period where the virus spreads and at the same time the person does not look sick, but is also because they are very touchy feely people, kisses on the cheeks big hugs in those Latin South European places

However it spread randily in those colder, stand off ice-man cultures too

if it can spread rapidly in Japan, England, Netherlands
its now happening in Sweden

They are nowhere near to herd immunity

Their media claims its government policy is to have created herd immunity

They are already on that higher end of the scale on deaths per captia

Sweden has basically accepted that the old Natives the weaker Swede will die off, their more susceptible population is going to be killed.

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Friday, May 1, 2020 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think Sweden is fucked



Nah.

2,586 deaths out of 10,230,000 people isn't fucked.

They're not going to ever be any worse off than NYC was, and at the end of the day it really wasn't that bad there despite all he pissing and moaning.


This is hardly a doomsday scenario. Let's go back to our lives now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:41 PM

SOME MUTATIONS FAR DEADLIER THAN OTHERS

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Shocking Study Finds Coronavirus Mutations That Are Much Deadlier Than The Original

A group of researchers at Zhejiang University, a top-flight research university situated in Hangzhou, the capital of the eastern coastal Chinese province of Zhejiang, have made what just might be remembered as a critical breakthrough in our understanding of the wide range of symptoms that patients face.

Studies have suggested that as up to half of those who have been infected with the virus might be "asymptomatic", a categorization that includes those who experienced extremely mild symptoms, often resembling a bad cold or a mild fever. Now, this team of scientists has discovered 31 new mutated strains of the virus that might explain the stubbornly high mortality rates in parts of Europe and New York.

According to the South China Morning Post, some of the mutant strains exhibited a much more dangerous capacity to invade human cells, implying that certain strains might be much more lethal than others. What's more, these strains were found to be "genetically similar" to samples isolated in New York and places like Italy in Europe.

Critically, the study, led by Professor Li Lanjuan, the first Chinese academic to recommend a complete shutdown to fight the virus, showed for the first time a probable link between the type of strain that infects a patient and the level of brutality of the symptoms they face.

This is nothing short of a breakthrough - though it's being underplayed in the American press, probably because health journalists are grappling with a confusing paradox: Dr. Fauci said last month that there was "no evidence" of deadly mutations, yet these researchers have found exactly that - though of course this research has yet to be replicated or peer reviewed.

"Sars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity," Li and her team wrote in their non-peer-reviewed paper which was published by the preprint service medRxiv.org, another top research for non-peer-reviewed research, along with the Lancet.

Li took an unusual approach to investigate the virus mutation. She analysed the viral strains isolated from 11 randomly chosen Covid-19 patients from Hangzhou in the eastern province of Zhejiang, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells.

The deadliest mutations in the Zhejiang patients had also been found in most patients across Europe, while the milder strains were the predominant varieties found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, according to their paper.

A separate study had found that New York strains had been imported from Europe. The death rate in New York was similar to that in many European countries, if not worse.

But the weaker mutation did not mean a lower risk for everybody, according to Li’s study. In Zhejiang, two patients in their 30s and 50s who contracted the weaker strain became severely ill. Although both survived in the end, the elder patient needed treatment in an intensive care unit.

Li's study involved a notably small number of strains, only a few dozen were investigated, as opposed to hundreds or thousands of strains in some major studies of new viruses. However, she still managed to find what appears to be a definite link that could shed new light - or unearth new complications in the quest to finding a cure or a vaccine. Li's team attributed these "functional changes" in the different strains to variations in the "viral-spike protein" - aka the "spikes" on the "ball" used to represent SARS-CoV-2.

Li’s team detected more than 30 mutations. Among them 19 mutations – or about 60 per cent – were new.

They found some of these mutations could lead to functional changes in the virus’ spike protein, a unique structure over the viral envelope enabling the coronavirus to bind with human cells. Computer simulation predicted that these mutation

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Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:45 PM

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New Coronavirus Study Claims Outbreak Will Last Longer Than 2 Years [until] 2/3rds Of Humanity Infected



It's been a while since we saw a study projecting an extremely dire endgame for the coronavirus outbreak.

Yet, as the battle over whether to reopen immediately or wait a few more weeks becomes almost universally-partisan, a non-peer-reviewed study out of the midwest projected that the virus could kick around for another 2 years, and that the outbreak won't subside until more than 60% of the global population is immune, Bloomberg reports.

According to the research from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, the coronavirus pandemic is likely to last as long as two years and won’t be controlled until about two-thirds of the world’s population is immune.

The report was written by CIDRAP director Michael Osterholm and medical director Kristen Moore, Tulane University public health historian John Barry, and Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, whose name has appeared on other important coronavirus research and commentary.

Furthermore, because so many of those infected by the virus are asymptomatic or mostly asymptomatic, lockdowns and other aggressive measures might not be enough to stamp it out completely. This 'invisibility' is what makes SARS-CoV-2 such a challenging virus to contain.

This might help explain why Sweden's approach has been so popular, while offering perhaps the best argument yet for why states might as well reopen. According to the researchers, the virus will likely keep on coming in waves perhaps until the end of 2022, or even longer, as drug companies scramble to develop a vaccine, or a cure.

Because of its ability to spread from person to person without the presence of symptoms, the virus will likely be much harder to control than the flu. The virus is deadlier than the flu, too - and certain mutated strains have been found to be significantly more virulent.

According to the report, people might actually be at their most infectious before symptoms even start to appear.

"Risk communication messaging from government officials should incorporate the concept that this pandemic will not be over soon," they said, “and that people need to be prepared for possible periodic resurgences of disease over the next two years."



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-coronavirus-study-claims-ou
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Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:57 PM

About India's response to Covid-19 (See SIX? Poor nations have tbeir own response to. and discussions about, Covid-19. And none of it is about "free shit" from the west coming to a halt.)

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There Is No Exit From COVID-19, Only Containment

Authored by M.K.Bhadrakumar via The Indian Punchline blog,

From this point, the buck stops with the Modi government, as the country trudges along the Covid highway. The political move to tap into the residual spirit of Indian federalism in our highly polarised polity helped so far, as the central government could inject into its decisions a look of national consensus. Whereas, the central government took all major decisions and most minor decisions.

However, the physical or material conditions vary from state to state while on the other hand, the time is approaching for the central government to make a thorny decision — when or how to restart the economy that was shut down almost overnight.

Clearly, an economy of India’s size won’t start back up simply because the government so decided. The refrain is that the restart will be gradual. But the devil lies in the details. Under what circumstances will businesses be allowed to reopen? It seems certain regions and businesses / industries may be put on a fast track. The MSME sector, which employs 12 crore workers need special attention.

However, defining a yardstick will be difficult because the economy is a complex web of supply chains and interlocking pieces with a dynamics of their own. In an interview with the BBC Radio last week, the owner of Mahindra & Mahindra said he just couldn’t see any possibility of his company becoming operational before May 2021, since, amongst other things, it doesn’t make sense to make cars without the numerous suppliers and sales outlets first reviving and, importantly, until consumer confidence revives.

Clearly, epidemiologists’ recommendations or the government’s decisions will not be the last word. If a manufacturer in Chennai depends on a part made in Ahmedabad, for example, where the virus is still spreading, a government fiat to start production becomes meaningless. Simply put, it is going to take much longer to thaw the economy than it took to freeze it.

Then, there is the co-relation between a phased reopening of the economy and public health benchmarks. The best that can be said about the lockdown is that it probably slowed down the spread of the virus. But we’re chasing a chimera here. The authenticity of the figures available is in serious doubt. No one is to blame because tracking the coronavirus is difficult in such abnormal conditions of lockout.

Today’s New York Times reported that the coronavirus death toll in the US is actually far higher than reported. The FT also came out with a stunning report today that Britain’s actual death toll could be plausibly in the region of 41000, as against hospital death data that show 17,337 people having died.

The plain truth is that there is no “exit strategy” possible out of the lockdown in the absence of a vaccine or a proven therapy.

“We will have to learn to live with the virus,” French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe put it starkly on April 28, while outlining his plan to start reopening the country at the National Assembly in Paris, until a vaccine or effective treatment is available.

This stark reality ought to leave with the Indian states a free hand to develop their own road maps and decide either to persist in lockdown or pull themselves out in different ways and at different speed. What cannot be overlooked is that all this is taking place under the threat of a second global wave or outbreak — a disaster scenario.

Epidemics come in waves. In the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, the first wave was nothing in comparison with the virulent second wave, which left a horrific trail. No doubt, this is a Catch-22 situation — whether suppressing the virus further to stall a repeat outbreak or the lifting of restrictions quicker to limit the economic fallout s

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Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:08 PM

When I think of a poor third world country, India never comes to mind, and it's certainly not a country I'm ever bringing up.

I lost my last high paying job because the management wanted to take my salary and pay 10 people with much more higher education than I ever got to work in their Chennai branch. One of the guys who was from India and lived here a few years to learn as much as he could and go back to teach his people more about the business (His name was Harish, and I called him by his name, but everybody else called him Harry), told me all about life back home. If you were making $6,000 per year (back around 2007) you were living like a king. Money went a lot farther. You could buy a car for $5,000. We both smoked, and he told me a pack of cigarettes back home was $0.20, when around that time because of tax increases here we were starting to see $6.00 per pack.

They are nowhere near the level of development of the US, but they're also not at all the poorer nations of Africa and South America I'm referring to.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:33 AM

New post-stay-at-home regime.
The City of Los Angeles still requires masks in pubic.
LACounty still recommends them, and it's enforced by most stores and other businesses.
The State of California still has active stay-at-home notices.

Los Angeles County
There's a lag time of about 4 weeks between infection and death.


http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/



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As of 8pm 5/19
cases 40,857
deaths 1,970

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As of 8pm 5/18
cases 37,566
deaths 1,913

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As of 8pm 5/17
cases 38,451
deaths 1,839

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As of 8pm 5/16
cases 37974
deaths 1821

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As of 8pm 5/15
cases 37,303
deaths 1,793

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As of 8pm 5/14
cases 36,259
deaths 1,755

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As of 8pm 5/13
cases 35,329
deaths 1,709

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As of 8pm 5/12
cases 34,428
deaths 1,659

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As of 8pm 5/11
cases 33,180
deaths 1,613

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As of 8pm 5/10
cases 32,258
deaths 1,569

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As of 8pm 5/9
cases 31,677
deaths 1,530

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As of 8pm 5/8
cases 31,197
deaths 1,512

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As of 8pm 5/7
cases 30,296
deaths 1,468

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As of 8pm 5/6
cases 29,427
deaths 1,418

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As of 8pm 5/5
cases 1,367
deaths 28,644

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As of 8pm 5/4
cases 27,815
deaths 1,313

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As of 8pm 5/3
cases 26,217
deaths 1,256

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As of 8pm 5/2
cases 25,662
deaths 1229

===> May 1, 2020 All state beaches and parks in California ordered closed.
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As of 12pm* 5/1
cases 24894*
deaths 1209*


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Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:48 AM

New post-stay-at-home regime.
The City of Los Angeles still requires masks in pubic.
LACounty still recommends them, and it's enforced by most stores and other businesses.
The State of California still has active stay-at-home notices.

California

There's a lag time of about 4 weeks between infection and death.


https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/New-Release-2020.aspx

May 21, 2020
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May 20, 2020
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May 19, 2020
84,057 / 3,436
===> California Department of Public Health Announces New Regional Variance Opportunity
May 18, 2020
81,795 / 3,334
May 17, 2020
80,430 / 3,302
May 16, 2020
78,839 / 3,261
May 15, 2020
76,793 / 3,204
May 14, 2020
74,936 / 3,108
May 13, 2020
73,164 / 3,032
May 12, 2020
71,141 / 2,934
May 11, 2020
69,382 / 2,847
May 10, 2020
67,939 / 2,770
May 9, 2020
66,680 / 2,745
===> May 8, 2020 General statewide staged opening begins for counties meeting criteria.
May 8, 2020
64,561 / 2,678
May 7, 2020
62,512 / 2,585
===> May 6, 2020 Huntington Beach, Dana Point and Seal Beach reopen.
May 6, 2020
60,614 / 2504
===> May 5, 2020 San Clemente and Laguna Beaches reopen.
May 5, 2020
58,815 / 2,412
May 4, 2020
56,212 / 2,317
===> May 4, 2020 Yuba and Sutter counties reopen.
May 3, 2020
54,937 / 2,254
May 2, 2020
53,616 / 1,215
===> May 1, 2020 All state beaches and parks in California ordered closed.
===> May 1, 2020 Modoc county reopens.
May 1, 2020
52,197 / 2/171

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Sunday, May 3, 2020 2:17 AM



US - states with greater than 3,000 total cases
New post-stay-at-home regime.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


As of May 20, 2020
New York 363,517 28,816
New Jersey 152,096 10,747
Illinois 100,418 4,525
Massachusetts 88,970 6,066
California 85,885 3,512
Pennsylvania 68,151 4,822
Michigan 53,009 5,060
Texas 51,651 1,423
Florida 47,471 2,096
Maryland 42,323 2,123
Georgia 39,801 1,697
Connecticut 39,017 3,529
Louisiana 35,316 2,608
Virginia 32,908 1,074
Ohio 29,436 1,781
Indiana 29,274 1,864
Colorado 22,797 1,299
North Carolina 20,261 726
Washington 19,822 1,036
Tennessee 18,532 309
Minnesota 17,670 786
Iowa 15,620 393
Arizona 14,897 747
Wisconsin 13,413 481
Rhode Island 13,356 538
Alabama 12,744 517
Mississippi 11,967 570
Missouri 11,513 644
Nebraska 11,122 138
South Carolina 9,175 407
Kansas 8,504 202
Delaware 8,194 310
Kentucky 8,167 376
Utah 7,710 90
DC 7,551 407
Nevada 7,166 373
New Mexico 6,317 283
Oklahoma 5,532 299
Arkansas 5,003 107
South Dakota 4,177 46
New Hampshire 3,868 190
Oregon 3,801 144

As of May 19, 2020
New York 363,517 28,816
New Jersey 152,096 10,747
Illinois 100,418 4,525
Massachusetts 88,970 6,066
California 85,885 3,512
Pennsylvania 68,151 4,822
Michigan 53,009 5,060
Texas 51,651 1,423
Florida 47,471 2,096
Maryland 42,323 2,123
Georgia 39,801 1,697
Connecticut 39,017 3,529
Louisiana 35,316 2,608
Virginia 32,908 1,074
Ohio 29,436 1,781
Indiana 29,274 1,864
Colorado 22,797 1,299
North Carolina 20,261 726
Washington 19,822 1,036
Tennessee 18,532 309
Minnesota 17,670 786
Iowa 15,620 393
Arizona 14,897 747
Wisconsin 13,413 481
Rhode Island 13,356 538
Alabama 12,744 517
Mississippi 11,967 570
Missouri 11,513 644
Nebraska 11,122 138
South Carolina 9,175 407
Kansas 8,504 202
Delaware 8,194 310
Kentucky 8,167 376
Utah 7,710 90
DC 7,551 407
Nevada 7,166 373
New Mexico 6,317 283
Oklahoma 5,532 299
Arkansas 5,003 107
South Dakota 4,177 46
New Hampshire 3,868 190
Oregon 3,801 144


As of May 18, 2020
New York 361,266 28,480
New Jersey 150,087 10,448
Illinois 96,485 4,234
Massachusetts 87,052 5,862
California 81,711 3,321
Pennsylvania 66,674 4,668
Michigan 51,915 4,915
Texas 49,684 1,369
Florida 46,442 1,997
Maryland 39,762 2,023
Georgia 38,283 1,649
Connecticut 38,116 3,449
Louisiana 34,709 2,563
Virginia 31,140 1,014
Ohio 28,485 1,660
Indiana 28,255 1,765
Colorado 22,202 1,224
Washington 19,510 1,019
North Carolina 19,208 693
Tennessee 18,011 301
Minnesota 16,372 740
Iowa 15,083 364
Arizona 14,170 686
Rhode Island 12,795 506
Wisconsin 12,687 459
Alabama 12,086 489
Mississippi 11,432 528
Missouri 11,203 612
Nebraska 10,625 125
South Carolina 8,942 391
Kansas 8,340 198
Kentucky 7,935 346
Delaware 7,869 297
Utah 7,384 80
DC 7,270 392
Nevada 6,906 358
New Mexico 6,096 270
Oklahoma 5,398 288
Arkansas 4,813 100
South Dakota 4,027 44
Oregon 3,687 138
New Hampshire 3,652 172

As of May 17, 2020
New York 359,847 28,325
New Jersey 148,197 10,366
Illinois 94,191 4,177
Massachusetts 86,010 5,797
California 80,265 3,289
Pennsylvania 65,816 4,503
Michigan 51,142 4,891
Texas 48,677 1,360
Florida 45,588 1,973
Maryland 38,804 1,992
Georgia 37,701 1,609
Connecticut 37,419 3,408
Louisiana 34,432 2,491
Virginia 30,388 1,009
Ohio 27,929 1,628
Indiana 27,778 1,751
Colorado 21,938 1,215
Washington 19,283 1,016
North Carolina 18,659 684
Tennessee 17,388 298
Minnesota 15,668 731
Iowa 14,651 351
Arizona 13,937 680
Rhode Island 12,674 499
Wisconsin 12,543 453
Alabama 11,771 488
Mississippi 11,296 521
Missouri 11,057 604
Nebraska 10,348 123
South Carolina 8,816 385
Kansas 7,951 195
Kentucky 7,688 334
Delaware 7,670 290
Utah 7,238 80
DC

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Sunday, May 3, 2020 2:23 AM


US
New post-stay-at-home regime.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda75
94740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6



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1,367,638 / 80,787
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