Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?

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Friday, February 16, 2018 9:35 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Always the laughing Jackass, 6ixStringJack. Try to think about your fucked up decision on Trump: One year after Trump took office, it is still unclear whether the president of the United States is an agent of a foreign power. Just step back and think about that for a moment. Americans live with the uncertainty of not knowing whether the president has the best interests of the United States or those of the Russian Federation at heart.

Most pundits in Washington now recoil at any suggestion that the Trump-Russia story is really about treason. They all want to say it’s about something else – what, they aren’t quite sure. They are afraid to use serious words. They are in the business of breaking down the Trump-Russia narrative into a long series of bite-sized, incremental stories in which the gravity of the overall case often gets lost. They seem to think that treason is too much of a conversation-stopper, that it interrupts the flow of cable television and Twitter. God forbid you might upset the right wing! (And the left wing, for that matter.)

But if a presidential candidate or his lieutenants secretly work with a foreign government that is a longtime adversary of the United States to manipulate and then win a presidential election, that is almost a textbook definition of treason.

In Article 3, Section 3, the U.S. Constitution states that “treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

Based on that provision in the Constitution, U.S. law – 18 U.S. Code § 2381 – states that “[w]hoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere” is guilty of treason. Those found guilty of this high crime “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

Mueller’s mandate was to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” Rosenstein noted that “if the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.”

How closely aligned is Mueller’s mandate with the legal definition of treason? That boils down to the rhetorical differences between giving “aid and comfort, in the United States or elsewhere” to “enemies” of the United States and “any links and/or coordination” between the Russian government and Trump campaign aides related to “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.”

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-inve
stigation/

There are four important tracks to follow in the Trump-Russia story.

First, we must determine whether there is credible evidence for the underlying premise that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Trump win.

Second, we must figure out whether Trump or people around him worked with the Russians to try to win the election.

Third, we must scrutinize the evidence to understand whether Trump and his associates have sought to obstruct justice by impeding a federal investigation into whether Trump and Russia colluded.

A fourth track concerns whether Republican leaders are now engaged in a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice through their intense and ongoing efforts to discredit Mueller’s probe.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 16, 2018 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. No you don't. Nobody believes you're rich, Second.

But I've already got mine. I can work part time minimum wage for the rest of my life and I'll survive.

Maybe you're right about Trump. Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.

Maybe pick your battles better next time, twerp.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

They have that many combined viewers?
I keep hearing that CNN, PMSNBC each have less than a million viewers.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 16, 2018 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. They do believe me. Who would lie about that?

It's easy to lie to everybody online and pretend your rich. Nobody believes you anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Can you believe what you wrote? Do you actually know what you wrote means?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.
I think you placed your finger on why only 2-3 million are doing really well (20-30 million doing okay) in the US while the rest of Americans are fat, dumb and drunk. The losers think they are smart, but struggling in an unfair world which doesn't recognize their inherent worth. Except there are a million clues available to make their lives ten time more worthy, but they remain clueless. The losers smoke, drink, over-eat, borrow at high interest rates, incompetently perform their hated jobs, won't move to a better state, beat their children, etc., etc. and it doesn't matter how many public service messages the losers see, they never get the clue and they continue to fail and it is never their fault. It's those crooked politicians' fault, the same politicians that a majority of losers voted for. I believe you when you said you voted for Trump. How is that decision working out for you? It's great for me; maybe not so much for you. I didn't vote for Trump, by the way. There were thousands of clues that Trump would be no good for the job and 6ixStringJack ignored them all because it was too much information for him, calling the clues "stupid and meaningless little things".

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

SECOND

Friday, February 16, 2018 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

They have that many combined viewers?
I keep hearing that CNN, PMSNBC each have less than a million viewers.

I hear that the top 1% number less than 3 million and they kick your ass whenever they can, JewelStaiteFan. To anyone who has studied the history of the KGB, particularly during the Cold War, the attack on the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party during the 2016 U.S. election looks like the contemporary cyber-descendant of countless analog KGB propaganda efforts. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the KGB frequently engaged in ambitious disinformation campaigns that were designed to sow suspicion of the United States in the developing world. The KGB’s so-called “active measures” programs would use international front organizations, cutouts, and sometimes unwitting enablers in the press to disseminate their anti-American propaganda.

The most infamous and dangerously effective KGB disinformation campaign of the Cold War was known as Operation Infektion. It was a secret effort to convince people in developing countries that the United States had created the HIV/AIDS virus.

In 1983, a newspaper in India printed what purported to be a letter from an American scientist saying the virus had been developed by the Pentagon. The letter went on to suggest that the U.S. was moving its experiments to Pakistan, India’s archenemy. Meanwhile, the KGB got an East German scientist to spread misinformation supporting the Moscow-backed conspiracy theory that the U.S. was behind the virus.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-inve
stigation/

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Friday, February 16, 2018 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.

THGRRI

Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.
This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.
The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.

13 Russian nationals indicted for interfering in US elections

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.
This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.
The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.

You use a lot of letters to say "still no evidence of Trump Collusion" but you do have a steady supply of Red Herrings.
But you still could have posted that nonsense in your desolate thread where nobody looks, instead of trolling and polluting these threads where the adults were talking.

SECOND

Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You use a lot of letters to say "still no evidence of Trump Collusion" but you do have a steady supply of Red Herrings.
But you still could have posted that nonsense in your desolate thread where nobody looks, instead of trolling and polluting these threads where the adults were talking.

JewelStaiteFan, is an indictment a 'Red Herring'? I'm assuming you can click, but I'm not positive you are smart enough to read The Grand Jury for the District of Columbia indictment: http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf

The last page is signed by
Robert S. Mueller, III
Special Counsel
U.S. Department of Justice

Did JewelStaiteFan get that far in your reading? Or did you consign the document to your not evidence file?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:47 AM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.
. . .
As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.

Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus

Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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