Out Like Flynn!

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ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:30 AM

Goodbye and good riddance to bad rubbish.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-national-s
ecurity-adviser-michael-flynn.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64910673&pgtype=article&_r=0

He needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and nailed to the fucking wall.

Not even a month in, and they're already dropping like flies.

America, you are completely fucked at the hands of these fascist cocksuckers.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:23 AM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:30 PM

Good thing he "resigned", it saves everyone the embarrassment of having to fire him.

Apparently the reason for his "resignation" was not that he talked to Russian contacts (whoever they were) but that he lied to Mike Pence about it. Left Mr. Pence twisting in the wind, as it were. You don't do that to your boss and expect to keep your job.

But this calls into question the whole idea of Trump being blackmailed by Russia. If American policy towards is already set in stone for nefarious reasons, it makes no sense for Flynn to go clumsily bumbling off to push a process that's already been decided. It just doesn't make sense ... at least, not to me.

Flynn was one of the weaker cabinet picks, DeVos is another.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:08 PM

Letter of resignation

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-13/mike-flynn-resigns-national-s
ecurity-advisor

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:22 PM

Hillary's former deputy for communications at the State Department, Philippe Reines, had this to say to Flynn:

Dear Mike Flynn & Mike Flynn Jr., What goes around COMETS around. And given your pizza obsession... https://jobs.dominos.com/dominos-careers/ …

xo
Philippe
https://twitter.com/PhilippeReines/status/831356816609116160

In case you don't get the reference to COMET and pizza, Flynn's son was a big proponent of Pizzagate, the claim that Hillary and her pals ran a child sex-trafficking ring from the basement of the Comet Ping Pong pizza shop. This eventually led to a North Carolina man entering the shop and pointing a gun at an employee. He later started shooting, and after he was captured he told police he was "self investigating" the conspiracy theory.

Michael Flynn Sr. didn't traffic in Pizzagate, but he did pass along quite a few other weird conspiracy theories.
www.mediaite.com/online/here-are-the-most-bizarre-tweets-from-gen-flyn
n-trumps-national-security-advisor/

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:56 PM

Every single one of Cheato's cabinet picks have been weak and terrible.

And the Kompromat dossier on him has largely been verified and corroborated.

Meanwhile, he keeps trotting out one fascist and neo-Nazi after another as members of his administration.

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Good thing he "resigned", it saves everyone the embarrassment of having to fire him.

Apparently the reason for his "resignation" was not that he talked to Russian contacts (whoever they were) but that he lied to Mike Pence about it. Left Mr. Pence twisting in the wind, as it were. You don't do that to your boss and expect to keep your job.

But this calls into question the whole idea of Trump being blackmailed by Russia. If American policy towards is already set in stone for nefarious reasons, it makes no sense for Flynn to go clumsily bumbling off to push a process that's already been decided. It just doesn't make sense ... at least, not to me.

Flynn was one of the weaker cabinet picks, DeVos is another.

This is only the pulling of first string SIG. His top advisors are a joke and a danger to this country's well being. It only took three weeks. You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously. So now I want to hear you give Trump equal time. Besides the Flynn scandal, he had an open air security briefing at his key largo golf course. He was surrounded by the general public as he was being briefed on his cell phone about North Korea. Big mistake.

Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:59 PM

lol

I've heard the words fascist, nazi and even communist more in the last month than I have in my entire life. You guys are silly.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

I've heard the words fascist, nazi and even communist more in the last month than I have in my entire life. You guys are silly.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's right Jack our democracy is under attack. Flynn tweeted he was a scapegoat. That means others in the room were aware of his indiscretions with Russia while they were conducting cyber attacks against America. Remember, Flynn was still sitting in on classified briefings, three weeks after intelligence informed Trump he was subject to blackmail and therefore a security risk.

We suffered through demand after demand to investgate Clintons indiscretions based on rumors. So, my question to you Jack is, do you want an oversight commission to investigate this?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:36 AM

Investigate away. But make no mistake that calls to look into Clinton was based on facts. Not rumors. No matter who hacked those emails, there are a lot of truths in there that you refuse to even become aware about.

I just have to laugh when I see that everything you lefties accuse Trump of now are the exact same things that Clinton was actually guilty of. It was just with other players.

[EDITED TO ADD]

I do acknowledge the fact that you personally haven't called me a Nazi or a Fascist, but what do you think when you see somebody else in here use those words to describe me?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Investigate away. But make no mistake that calls to look into Clinton was based on facts. Not rumors. No matter who hacked those emails, there are a lot of truths in there that you refuse to even become aware about.

I just have to laugh when I see that everything you lefties accuse Trump of now are the exact same things that Clinton was actually guilty of. It was just with other players.

[EDITED TO ADD]

I do acknowledge the fact that you personally haven't called me a Nazi or a Fascist, but what do you think when you see somebody else in here use those words to describe me?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I base what I know about Clinton on what has been reported. There was much about her I totally disliked; and said so. It was the way the Republicans went about it.

If they don't show the same zeal in investigating what's going on with Russia and Trump, then it's a red flag that Clinton was purely political; and bullshit.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I base what I know about Clinton on what has been reported. There was much about her I totally disliked; and said so. It was the way the Republicans went about it.

If they don't show the same zeal in investigating what's going on with Russia and Trump, then it's a red flag that Clinton was purely political; and bullshit.

The media didn't report anything that was in Hillary's and the DNC's and Podesta's emails. They sometimes even came out and said that if you read them yourself you were breaking the law (which is not true). So I'm going to assume that you know nothing about what was in the emails.

I asked you a question.

What do you think when somebody here wastes the word Nazi or Fascist on me?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I base what I know about Clinton on what has been reported. There was much about her I totally disliked; and said so. It was the way the Republicans went about it.

If they don't show the same zeal in investigating what's going on with Russia and Trump, then it's a red flag that Clinton was purely political; and bullshit.

The media didn't report anything that was in Hillary's and the DNC's and Podesta's emails. They sometimes even came out and said that if you read them yourself you were breaking the law (which is not true). So I'm going to assume that you know nothing about what was in the emails.

I asked you a question.

What do you think when somebody here wastes the word Nazi or Fascist on me?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I don't use the term Nazi to describe others. Fascist I have no problem with. However, when people use those terms to describe you I don't mind. Why, because you have a deep seeded hatred for anyone who thinks differently than you. Even when it comes to me. I am not a liberal. I am pragmatic and independent. I deal with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations, or ideologies. You and jewelstatefan go right for the throat with the liberal crap.

Now, really Jack. What was in Clintons and the DNC'S emails is posted all over these threads. It was all over the media. Your denial of this makes me ask what your state of mind is. I think maybe you are remembering a post by 1kiki that was complete bullshit. Careful who you source.

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:03 AM

U.S. launches TV network as alternative to Russian propaganda

WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. government-funded news outlets are launching a global Russian-language TV network aimed at providing an alternative to slick, Kremlin-controlled media that critics say spread propaganda and misinformation.

Current Time, run by Prague-based Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty with help from Washington-based Voice of America, is targeting Russian speakers across the globe with round-the-clock programming intended to offer the type of fact-based news that its leaders say is sorely missing in the Russian market. The network formally launched this week after quietly starting operations last year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-current-time-tv-network-rfe-russia-russ
ian-propaganda-misinformation-rt/

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Investigate away. But make no mistake that calls to look into Clinton was based on facts. Not rumors. No matter who hacked those emails, there are a lot of truths in there that you refuse to even become aware about.

And what facts were those? What did she do that was criminal? There was gross stupidity and negligence, but the FBI let her go with little more than harsh language. Sorry, if she were truly criminally guilty the Reps would have had her on a spit over a big fire. Love to hear your take.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I just have to laugh when I see that everything you lefties accuse Trump of now are the exact same things that Clinton was actually guilty of. It was just with other players.

Not a "leftie" sorry. Clinton was never in office to pick such and freak show of a cabinet, sorry again.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I do acknowledge the fact that you personally haven't called me a Nazi or a Fascist, but what do you think when you see somebody else in here use those words to describe me?

You called me an SJW and a Cuck so stop being such a pussy. I had to look them up - they're not even close, just you repeating what the youtubers say like some kind of myna bird. That's pretty lazy 6.

Name one thing in those emails other than the fact that the DNC and Hillary colluded to steal the election from Bernie Sanders. I'm willing to bet you don't know anything else other than that.

The list of criminal activities by the Clintons and especially what they've done with the unsurprisingly now defunct Clinton Foundation. I would think that the foundation shutting down almost immediately after she lost the election would raise some eyebrows of a truly pragmatic and independent thinker, but all you can say about it now is "that was in the past... focus!" lol...

Let's start with something small and rather comical and work our way up from there. The Clinton's stole nearly $200,000 of white house furniture on their way out the door in 2001.

Clinton would have picked a freakshow of a cabinet, but you're right... that didn't happen thankfully. What she was guilty of was taking millions of dollars in the Clinton Foundation money laundering operation from foreign dictators of Middle Eastern countries that we're currently at war with. Sure, on paper we're not at war with them because they are illegal wars without congressional approval, but when there are over 100,000 bombs dropped in 6 Muslim countries during the time Obama was in office, that is an act of war.

Maybe you're not an SJW or a cuck. You sure talk like one a lot of the time though. The difference between being called an SJW or a cuck VS a Nazi or a Fascist though is that there is a long history of people who have been brutalized, oppressed, subjugated, enslaved, and even killed by the names I'm getting called in here. The names I called you have a very short history of crybaby doucebags and man haters that make rants people make fun of on Youtube.

I'm not butt hurt about it. Keep calling me a nazi or whatever. Just know that every time somebody throws those words around like it's nothing, which you see EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET NOW, that it trivializes the meaning of them. You might not be the one saying it, but you should at least have a negative opinion about it when people throw it around like that.

The end of that message is in answer to THGRRI too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:00 AM

Quote:

Jack

Name one thing in those emails other than the fact that the DNC and Hillary colluded to steal the election from Bernie Sanders. I'm willing to bet you don't know anything else other than that.

First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/05/21/lead-intv-schmidt-hillary-clin
ton-emails-benghazi.cnn

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SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:20 AM

Spicer just confirmed that Trump was "informed" of DOJ warning that Flynn might be vulnerable to Russian blackmail. When?

The answer turns out to be January 26. That's three weeks ago.

Spicer is insisting that Trump fired Flynn due to an "erosion" of trust. "It was a matter of trust, pure and simple," he's said over and over. And yet, oddly enough, Trump's trust in Flynn didn't crater when he was told about Flynn's lies. It apparently cratered only after the Washington Post made Flynn's lies public. Funny that.

Now Spicer is trying to blame the Obama Justice Department for withholding its information about Flynn for 13 days. Nice try, Sean.

Oh, and Spicer says the real story here is all the leaks. Sure, Flynn is a story, but the press should consider the source. They should investigate that. Oddly, back when all those hacked Russian emails were gnawing away at Hillary Clinton's campaign, nobody on the right thought that was an issue. All that mattered was that this information was becoming public. I guess that's no longer operative.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:23 AM

He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Spicer just confirmed that Trump was "informed" of DOJ warning that Flynn might be vulnerable to Russian blackmail. When?

The answer turns out to be January 26. That's three weeks ago.

Spicer is insisting that Trump fired Flynn due to an "erosion" of trust. "It was a matter of trust, pure and simple," he's said over and over. And yet, oddly enough, Trump's trust in Flynn didn't crater when he was told about Flynn's lies. It apparently cratered only after the Washington Post made Flynn's lies public. Funny that.

Now Spicer is trying to blame the Obama Justice Department for withholding its information about Flynn for 13 days. Nice try, Sean.

Oh, and Spicer says the real story here is all the leaks. Sure, Flynn is a story, but the press should consider the source. They should investigate that. Oddly, back when all those hacked Russian emails were gnawing away at Hillary Clinton's campaign, nobody on the right thought that was an issue. All that mattered was that this information was becoming public. I guess that's no longer operative.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

The strongest support for Flynn came from Moscow on Tuesday morning. Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian foreign affairs committee, said he did not deserve to lose his job and lashed out at Trump for allowing Flynn to resign. “Either Trump hasn’t found the necessary independence and he’s been driven into a corner,” he said. “Or Russophobia has permeated the new administration from top to bottom.”
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/13/white-house-leaves-michael-f
lynn-twisting-in-the-wind.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

Republican Jason Chaffetz, who never met a Hillary Clinton rumor that he couldn't spin into months of congressional testimony, says blandly that the Flynn affair is "taking care of itself."
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/831515826641592321

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:42 AM

I hadn't see that SECOND. Nice update...

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.
The strongest support for Flynn came from Moscow on Tuesday morning. Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian foreign affairs committee, said he did not deserve to lose his job and lashed out at Trump for allowing Flynn to resign. “Either Trump hasn’t found the necessary independence and he’s been driven into a corner,” he said. “Or Russophobia has permeated the new administration from top to bottom.”
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/13/white-house-leaves-michael-f
lynn-twisting-in-the-wind.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:46 AM

I saw him at a town hall meeting during the week. He got killed by his constituents. They chanted "do your job" over and over again. Put the fear of god into him.

Oversight chair asks WH for security details of Mar-a-Lago meeting

House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) is asking the White House to provide his panel with details about how sensitive information was handled during a weekend meeting at President Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

In a letter to White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, Chaffetz requested detailed explanations of the Trump administration's security protocols at the Florida estate, including what documents were present at Saturday's powwow and how the administration vetted club guests.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/oversight-chair-asks-wh-for-sec
urity-details-of-mar-a-lago-meeting/ar-AAmWAB2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

Republican Jason Chaffetz, who never met a Hillary Clinton rumor that he couldn't spin into months of congressional testimony, says blandly that the Flynn affair is "taking care of itself."
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/831515826641592321

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:39 AM

The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the-leakers-who-exposed-gen-flynns
-lie-committed-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/

It’s very possible — indeed, likely — that the leakers were not acting with benevolent motives.

Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

It’s very possible — I’d say likely — that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble. Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic (and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RIVERLOVE

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:38 AM

Flynn got away easy, because if you take on the CIA you usually end up dead. JFK and RFK learned that lesson the hard way.

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:25 AM

If you voted for Trump or support him in any way, you are a fascist, neo-Nazi piece of shit, and deserve to be put up against the wall with the other collaborators.

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:58 AM

Or, it could be the advisers Trump has are vying for power and are the leak. Much of what is being leaked the press are attributing to his people. Can't say for sure.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the-leakers-who-exposed-gen-flynns
-lie-committed-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/

It’s very possible — indeed, likely — that the leakers were not acting with benevolent motives.

Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

It’s very possible — I’d say likely — that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble. Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic (and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Flynn got away easy, because if you take on the CIA you usually end up dead. JFK and RFK learned that lesson the hard way.

I hope you're joking. If not I feel sorry for you. It would have to be tough living in a world were nothing is at it seems.

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1KIKI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously.

How can I politely call you a liar?

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Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

'Outrage' over what? Trump's not 'my' guy. As a matter of fact, I was trying to get people to discuss what dems might do to block Trump's inevitable picks and policies. To no avail. You dolts seem completely mesmerized by Trump as much as you are by Putin, and completely unable to formulate any action on your own. Are you zombies? Or merely lobotomized?

And as to what to do about Trump, so far the answer is close to nada - except where you're focused even more on him. Well, that and the defector dem senators who are only too happy to go along.

Anyway, I'm just happy our president isn't bloody Hillary. And I'm waiting for the dems - YOU - to - get a brain or something.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:07 PM

Out Like Flynn!

Funny things to consider ... so, who 'outed' Flynn? Because it sounds like he was really, REALLY WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY out.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
If you voted for Trump or support him in any way, you are a fascist, neo-Nazi piece of shit, and deserve to be put up against the wall with the other collaborators.

You are a clown.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:45 PM

It is NOT just Flynn!

Multiple members of the Trump team had repeated phone calls with senior Russian intelligence officials at the same time that Russian intelligence was hacking various email accounts in order to sabotage Hillary Clinton. And during this entire time, Trump himself was endorsing a foreign policy that appeared almost as if it had been dictated to him by Vladimir Putin.

The intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin....The officials said the intercepted communications were not limited to Trump campaign officials, and included other associates of Mr. Trump.

....Officials would not disclose many details, including what was discussed on the calls, which Russian intelligence officials were on the calls, and how many of Mr. Trump’s advisers were talking to the Russians.

The American intelligence community has all but declared war on Trump since his inauguration. I hardly need to spell out why this is dangerous. At the same time, it's sure becoming a lot clearer why they're so alarmed by the guy.

And by the way, I shouldn't miss this chance to flog my favorite hobbyhorse again: FBI Director James Comey, who knew all about this, pushed hard not to make it public during the campaign. Instead he considered it more important to inform Congress that he had discovered additional copies of Hillary Clinton's emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop. Priorities.

www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communicati
ons-trump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:09 PM

Quote:
That's right Jack our democracy is under attack.

You're right, but it's not being attacked by Trump or his appointees. It's being attacked by the CIA. Think it through:

Flynn was head of the DIA, and it was 50 of the DIA's analysts who wrote an open letter of protest that their intelligence reports on Obama's pro-"moderate rebel" strategy in Syria leading to a "caliphate" of radicals were constantly being overwritten by the upper-ups into happy news for the White House.

Flynn was the head of the DIA at that time. And WHO would have had access to any telephone calls might have made?

The CIA is targeting FLynn as their first piece, they're going to use this to attack Trump, who is - you may recall- the DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA. Elected, I might as, as the result of a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

This is the same playbook as Ukraine: When a divisive but properly-elected leader is in office but is thwarting your goals, slag him (or her) constantly in the the press, use your CIA and State Department neocon contacts to organize and spy, launder any allegations- false, misrepresented, or otherwise- through John McCain and a compliant corporate press, pay civilian provocateurs to turn demonstrations into riots .... lather, rinse, repeat until you have brought down the government.

You see? In the other thread, people are exploring the thought that we may be trending towards fascism. My point there is that it's not a future event

It's already here, and has been for at least 16 years. And it's not Trump.

I can only hope that as the CIA, State, and Congressional neocons are working to overthrow the Trump Presidency, Trump is gathering dirt on THEM, because they should be tried for treason.

IF Trump is going to prevail over the CIA and State Department neocons, he's going to have to be a lot smarter than he's been so far. And if he doesn't, we're doomed.

And then it won't matter WHAT you want: if you want peace, or more jobs, or better healthcare, or sovereign decision-making, you'll get endless war, sucked dry by health insurances (with taxpayer money), MORE free trade, absolutely no control over your environmental or energy or economic policies, but by GOD at least you'll have transgender bathrooms!

Sheesh.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The CIA is targeting FLynn as their first peice, they're going to use this to attack Trump, who is - you may recall- the DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA. Elected, I might as, as the result of a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

"Duly" elected? Do you mean "duly" as "in accordance with what is required or appropriate; following proper procedure or arrangement"? Really? FBI Director James Comey, who knew all Trump's people talking to Russian intelligence people, pushed hard not to make it public during the campaign. Instead he considered it more important to inform Congress that he had discovered additional copies of Hillary Clinton's emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop.

Then there are the millions who illegally voted for Hillary, at least according to Trump. Does that seem "duly elected" to you? I think some of those millions of voters should be investigated and jailed. Or else the illegal millions might vote again. More elections in the future, you know what I mean?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:01 PM

SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

Trump is not doing the simplest things all Presidents, except Trump, do.

I am waiting for Trump to make his income tax returns public information. Presidents do that, but not Trump. That is something he promised, but has not delivered. All the paperwork is already done. The only effort by Trump would be a phone call to his accountant.

Nixon had to pay extra tax when his income tax returns were made public. He had cheated.

Nixon's vice-president, Spiro Agnew, had to resign or go to jail when his income tax returns were made public. He had cheated.

Did Trump cheat on his taxes? He can easily prove he has not cheated, but he has not. Why not?

And then there is Trump's worldwide businesses. Presidents don't own businesses, but instead sell them, placing their money in a blind trust. Not Trump! He sold nothing.

Trump can be bribed by every country he has a business in and every International bank Trump has borrowed from. Besides being bribed, his businesses can be hurt by those same countries and International banks. That has not changed despite all the paperwork Trump signed to change daily control of his businesses to his sons.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:01 PM

SECOND, you're still being hysterical.

If you're going to worry about being "sold out", why didn't you worry about the close connections between the past administrations and the Saudi Royal family? I think THEIR interests are far more inimical to ours than a bunch of hotels.

Good lord.

One of the things neither you nor THUGR not any of the other hysterics on the board have done is to define for yourselves ... WHAT ARE OUR INTERESTS? Now YOU, being an oil person, may have interests that are deeply different than the rest of us. But most of us don't- or IMHO shouldn't- give two shits about what "they" do "over there" unless it affects us. And so far, nobody has been able to show how Russia hurts out interests. China? Sure, an active economic adversary. N Korea? Yeah, a lunatic-run nation which SO FAR has been unable to reach us by missile-strike. Saudi Arabia? Yeah, well, we are locked together in our mutual dependence on the petro-dollar, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they've been fostering terrorism for over 40 years, and al Qaeda is just the latest branch. Qatar? Same problem as Saudi Arabia. The transnationals and the 45 people who control 40% of the world's resources? They HARDLY have our interests at heart! But seriously, who else has the means and the will to do us harm? Russia is a military competitor, but IMHO there's nothing there that a treaty couldn't solve.

Stop being so reactive. If you're going to worry about being sold out by anyone, worry about the deep state.

Quote:
Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Drunk piece of shit Nazi says what?

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:18 PM

Hang him for treason, then go down the line with the rest of the Trump Russian traitors.

End this disgrace.

SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, you're still being hysterical.

Signym, you are over using the word “hysterical”. All Presidents, except Trump, make their income tax returns public knowledge. The hysteria is all Trump, with his many silly excuses why not to do this very simple thing that only requires a phone call to his accountant. Trump said he can’t because nobody wants to see his taxes. Trump said he can’t because he is being audited. Trump is a hysterically funny guy with all the lamebrain excuses.

And then there are Trump’s businesses that he won’t sell because of his hysterical emotional attachment to his own name on all those buildings. Time for Trump to grow up and be a man. President Jimmy Carter sold his peanut business and those nuts did not even have his brand name “Jimmy” stamped on each one. Trump can sell his businesses. It won’t kill him to take down the building signs with his name on them. Or maybe Trump will cry when “Trump” disappears all over the world? The hysterical crying is optional, depending on how emotionally mature Trump is.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you're still being hysterical.

If you're going to worry about being "sold out", why didn't you worry about the close connections between the past administrations and the Saudi Royal family? I think THEIR interests are far more inimical to ours than a bunch of hotels.

Good lord.

One of the things neither you nor THUGR not any of the other hysterics on the board have done is to define for yourselves ... WHAT ARE OUR INTERESTS? Now YOU, being an oil person, may have interests that are deeply different than the rest of us. But most of us don't- or IMHO shouldn't- give two shits about what "they" do "over there" unless it affects us. And so far, nobody has been able to show how Russia hurts out interests. China? Sure, an active economic adversary. N Korea? Yeah, a lunatic-run nation which SO FAR has been unable to reach us by missile-strike. Saudi Arabia? Yeah, well, we are locked together in our mutual dependence on the petro-dollar, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they've been fostering terrorism for over 40 years, and al Qaeda is just the latest branch. Qatar? Same problem as Saudi Arabia. The transnationals and the 45 people who control 40% of the world's resources? They HARDLY have our interests at heart! But seriously, who else has the means and the will to do us harm? Russia is a military competitor, but IMHO there's nothing there that a treaty couldn't solve.

Stop being so reactive. If you're going to worry about being sold out by anyone, worry about the deep state.

Quote:
Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

Russian paid troll says what?

Derp.

THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:41 PM

You tried to be slick. You destroyed Hillary in your posts thread after thread. You posted lies and quoted bullshit sources to do it. When confronted with you being for Trump you would say, I don't like him either. However, you would not continue on and lie about him as you did with Hillary. You were relentless with her. You barely insulted Trump in comparison.

Trump is definitely your guy.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously.
How can I politely call you a liar?
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Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.
'Outrage' over what? Trump's not 'my' guy. As a matter of fact, I was trying to get people to discuss what dems might do to block Trump's inevitable picks and policies. To no avail. You dolts seem completely mesmerized by Trump as much as you are by Putin, and completely unable to formulate any action on your own. Are you zombies? Or merely lobotomized?

And as to what to do about Trump, so far the answer is close to nada - except where you're focused even more on him. Well, that and the defector dem senators who are only too happy to go along.

Anyway, I'm just happy our president isn't bloody Hillary. And I'm waiting for the dems - YOU - to - get a brain or something.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:58 PM

The facts as they are won't do for you. This Trump business is unfolding as we converse SIG, and none of what's happening supports your conspiracy theories. What's unfolding supports what others have been saying for the past year, and continue to post in response to you today.

You post garbage from sources that make up fake news to get clicks they are paid for. The crazier the headline the more clicks. You post from sources that deliberately edit reputable news sources reporting so it appears to be reporting something it is not. Then they hide their identities as they report on what they say is being said by the reputable source.

This has been proven time and again SIG, and here you go again. You're a troll, nothing more.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
That's right Jack our democracy is under attack.

You're right, but it's not being attacked by Trump or his appointees. It's being attacked by the CIA. Think it through:

Flynn was head of the DIA, and it was 50 of the DIA's analysts who wrote an open letter of protest that their intelligence reports on Obama's pro-"moderate rebel" strategy in Syria leading to a "caliphate" of radicals were constantly being overwritten by the upper-ups into happy news for the White House.

Flynn was the head of the DIA at that time. And WHO would have had access to any telephone calls might have made?

The CIA is targeting FLynn as their first piece, they're going to use this to attack Trump, who is - you may recall- the DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA. Elected, I might as, as the result of a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

This is the same playbook as Ukraine: When a divisive but properly-elected leader is in office but is thwarting your goals, slag him (or her) constantly in the the press, use your CIA and State Department neocon contacts to organize and spy, launder any allegations- false, misrepresented, or otherwise- through John McCain and a compliant corporate press, pay civilian provocateurs to turn demonstrations into riots .... lather, rinse, repeat until you have brought down the government.

You see? In the other thread, people are exploring the thought that we may be trending towards fascism. My point there is that it's not a future event It's already here, and has been for at least 16 years. And it's not Trump.

I can only hope that as the CIA, State, and Congressional neocons are working to overthrow the Trump Presidency, Trump is gathering dirt on THEM, because they should be tried for treason.

IF Trump is going to prevail over the CIA and State Department neocons, he's going to have to be a lot smarter than he's been so far. And if he doesn't, we're doomed.

And then it won't matter WHAT you want: if you want peace, or more jobs, or better healthcare, or sovereign decision-making, you'll get endless war, sucked dry by health insurances (with taxpayer money), MORE free trade, absolutely no control over your environmental or energy or economic policies, but by GOD at least you'll have transgender bathrooms!

Sheesh.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

Really SIG? I haven't seen SECOND become hysterical, well, ever. You on the other hand get that way quite often. SECOND is calling for Trump to release his taxes. 70% of the country wants him to do so. Only people who wish to help him cover his ass don't. That would be you.

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THGRRI

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:59 PM

Let's not forget G that Trump lied by omission to his vice president. Trump and other staff were informed 9 days before the leaks started that Pence was lied to. He and the other staff chose not to tell the vice president until the story broke in the press. This is really serious. How can Pence trust Trump?

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

SIGNYM - you're being hysterical again. Hysterically funny. You're the one that voted for the guy who ticks all the Fascist boxes.

I think what you have is a big case of buyer's remorse. Trump isn't who you thought he would be (or maybe Trump is exactly who you thought he would be, eh? *evil laugh*). Even worse and more embarrassing, he's exactly what we thought he would be. Good news: crow is in season - have a feast.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.

But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections

But Putin! Was in contact with Trump's campaign during and after the election.

But Putin! Is being bloody Putin.

No worries - it wouldn't be you if you didn't suck at logic.

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SECOND

Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:25 PM

Michael Flynn's Valentine's Day Cards

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Hang him for treason, then go down the line with the rest of the Trump Russian traitors.

End this disgrace.

Who's the fascist?

lol

you're a silly bitch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This post is only one line Jack and you make no sense at all. What are you talking about?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This post is only one line Jack and you make no sense at all. What are you talking about?

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You only read what you want to read. In the case of somebody that you regularly don't agree with, you find the one sentence you disagree with most and throw everything else away. I will, therefore, keep my replies to you in three sentences or less since that is the limit of your attention span.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

Oh, that is fucking rich, coming from you. You, who assured us that Trump was The Man because he was the only one who could keep us safe from the undesirables (be they Mexicans, Muslims, refugees, or any other off-brand scary brown people).

You fucking VOTED for him, you fucking cunt.

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This post is only one line Jack and you make no sense at all. What are you talking about?

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You only read what you want to read. In the case of somebody that you regularly don't agree with, you find the one sentence you disagree with most and throw everything else away. I will, therefore, keep my replies to you in three sentences or less since that is the limit of your attention span.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You can't possibly know how much of your post I read. And because you post uneducated opinions that ramble on I don't focus on every point. The first premise of your post was that it was not legal to post the contents of other peoples emails, therefore we did not see Clintons.

You were wrong. I proved you wrong, and this post is how you respond. Not by admitting that you were wrong. And even your explanation does not match up with the post I said I didn't understand. I still don't know what "I forgot your add" means.

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SECOND

Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:04 AM

No one can get the White House’s story on Flynn straight — including Trump
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14613220/white-house-contrad
iction-flynn

The public has to parse through a confusing non-explanation of why one of the most powerful people in Trump’s administration was fired (or decided to resign) four weeks into the presidency.

Spicer repeated that Trump “instinctively thought that Gen. Flynn did not do anything wrong”. “Instinctively.” It’s an apt choice of words for a president who has repeatedly claimed to have a prescient understanding of government and world affairs. Doesn't understand as much as he thinks he does, does he?

How Vladimir Putin won Republicans' approval
He's an authoritarian strongman, and he's never been more popular with GOP voters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:41 AM

It's amazing SECOND. Spicer said Trump asked for Flynns' resignation because he can no longer trust him. Trump blames the press for his having to resign and Kellyanne says Flynn still has the complete confidence of the president. And they all lied to vice president Pence. It's simply amazing. This administration has the biggest set of liars I have even witnessed.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
No one can get the White House’s story on Flynn straight — including Trump
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14613220/white-house-contrad
iction-flynn
The public has to parse through a confusing non-explanation of why one of the most powerful people in Trump’s administration was fired (or decided to resign) four weeks into the presidency.

Spicer repeated that Trump “instinctively thought that Gen. Flynn did not do anything wrong”. “Instinctively.” It’s an apt choice of words for a president who has repeatedly claimed to have a prescient understanding of government and world affairs. Doesn't understand as much as he thinks he does, does he?

How Vladimir Putin won Republicans' approval
He's an authoritarian strongman, and he's never been more popular with GOP voters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND

Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SECOND. . . . It's simply amazing. This administration has the biggest set of liars I have even witnessed.

Not that amazing if you've lived in Texas and dealt with Trump-like characters ( loud, vulgar, ignorant-and-proud-of-it, greedy self-promoters ) running businesses. A Trumpish Texas businessman prefers to hire the kind of people working in Trump's White House. I should add that you really don't want to be a customer of one of the Texas Trumpish businesses because you will have to sue them and threaten them to make live up to all their oversized promises.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's amazing SECOND. . . . It's simply amazing. This administration has the biggest set of liars I have even witnessed.
Not that amazing if you've lived in Texas and dealt with Trump-like characters ( loud, vulgar, ignorant-and-proud-of-it, greedy self-promoters ) running businesses. A Trumpish Texas businessman prefers to hire the kind of people working in Trump's White House. I should add that you really don't want to be customer of one of the Texas Trumpish businesses because you will have to sue them and threaten them to make live up to all their oversized promises.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Alternate realities, and theirs comes from where, I swear I don't know.

Say hey to Summer for me.

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THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

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SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:13 AM

Quote:
The hysterical crying is optional- SECOND

Really??? Does that mean you'll shut up soon?

Geee... tax returns versus CIA coup.... tax returns versus a CIA coup ... I can't tell which is more important.

Quote:
Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics.

then he negates what he just said ..

Quote:
But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

So, SECOND, do you prefer the deep state? Or the Trump state? Think it through, because those are your choices.

Deep state?
Or Trump state?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:25 AM

Quote:

SIG

Geee... tax returns versus CIA coup.... tax returns versus a CIA coup ... I can't tell which is more important.

CIA coup, shit Sig is that what you're trying to sell as factual now? You're a whack job.

Cites please;

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SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:29 AM

Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Cites please

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Quote:
Originally posted by THUGGER:
Cites please

Happy to oblige. I expect a thank you.

THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:28 AM

Quote:
But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.

So did GWB - TWICE! And so did Obama!~ But I don't see you bitching about it.

Quote:
But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections

He did neither. The elections were NOT hacked, and were NOT manipulated. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/opinions/russia-role-shocking-but-not-ha
cked-douglas/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-re
view-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.7f063298de92

Quote:
But Putin! Was in contact with Trump's campaign during and after the election.

Was neither.

And look at the definitive NYTimes article! Admissions there's no evidence! Unsubstantiated claims and allegations! Anonymous sources! DISCUSSING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL WITH THE PRESS!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-com
munications-trump.html?_r=0

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MARK MAZZETTI and MATT APUZZOFEB. 14, 2017

President Trump spoke with Vladimir V. Putin on Jan. 28. His national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, right, resigned Monday. Credit Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

Phone records ... intercepted calls (ie hacked by the US government) ... four current and former American officials (who?) ... American law enforcement and intelligence agencies (who?) ... intercepted the communications (ie hacked by the US government) ... trying ... three of the officials (who?) said ... (evidence?)... whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

But ... officials said ...

All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.

The officials said ... The officials declined ... intercepted communications ... investigates ... according to officials ... officials said... not been charged with any crimes
Law enforcement officials did not say to what extent the contacts might have been about business.

The officials would not disclose many details ... It is also unclear whether the conversations had anything to do with Mr. Trump himself.

A report ... American intelligence agencies ... did not address ... intercepted calls ... But ... The F.B.I. declined to comment ... The F.B.I. has closely examined at least three other people close to Mr. Trump, although it is unclear ... trying to assess ... dossier ... raft of allegations ... unsubstantiated claims ...

The F.B.I. has spent several months investigating the leads in the dossier, but has yet to confirm any of its most explosive claims.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:42 AM

I think I'll pass. You cite firefly fan threads. Not going to prove there's a CIA coup going on that way. Hey here's a thought. Why don't you actually post some truth so you don't always have to deflect this way.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Quote:
Originally posted by THUGGER:
Cites please
THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

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THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:45 AM

1kiki, 1kiki. The news is reporting on this shit every day. Your crap don't float.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Quote:
But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.
So did GWB - TWICE! And so did Obama!~ But I don't see you bitching about it.
Quote:
But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections
He did neither. The elections were NOT hacked, and were NOT manipulated.
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But Putin! Was in contact with Trump's campaign during and after the election.
Was neither.

And look at the definitive NYTimes article! Admissions there's no evidence! Unsubstantiated claims and allegations! Anonymous sources! DISCUSSING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL WITH THE PRESS!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-com
munications-trump.html?_r=0

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MARK MAZZETTI and MATT APUZZOFEB. 14, 2017

President Trump spoke with Vladimir V. Putin on Jan. 28. His national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, right, resigned Monday. Credit Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

Phone records ... intercepted calls (ie hacked by the US government) ... four current and former American officials (who?) ... American law enforcement and intelligence agencies (who?) ... intercepted the communications (ie hacked by the US government) ... trying ... three of the officials (who?) said ... (evidence?)... whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

But ... officials said ...

All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.

The officials said ... The officials declined ... intercepted communications ... investigates ... according to officials ... officials said... not been charged with any crimes
Law enforcement officials did not say to what extent the contacts might have been about business.

The officials would not disclose many details ... It is also unclear whether the conversations had anything to do with Mr. Trump himself.

A report ... American intelligence agencies ... did not address ... intercepted calls ... But ... The F.B.I. declined to comment ... The F.B.I. has closely examined at least three other people close to Mr. Trump, although it is unclear ... trying to assess ... dossier ... raft of allegations ... unsubstantiated claims ...

The F.B.I. has spent several months investigating the leads in the dossier, but has yet to confirm any of its most explosive claims.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:47 AM

THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:48 AM

Cites please SIG. I've been asking for cites showing where you got the information there is a CIA coup going on in this country.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Cites please

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:55 AM

Actually, what you asked for were cites that you're a deep state troll. I can't believe it, but you're so fucking dishonest you lie about your own posts, with quotes that disprove your own lies.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Cites please

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Cites please SIG. I've been asking for cites showing where you got the information

Cites please.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:59 AM

Meanwhile, here are the cites about you being a troll, as requested.

I expect a thank you.

THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SECOND

Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:07 PM

Donald Trump then spent the early morning Wednesday unhappily tweeting about this:

This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign.
6:08 AM -15 Feb 2017

If in fact all of this is “non-sense,” Trump has the power as president to make that clear immediately - by declassifying all government intercepts of communications between Russian nationals and anyone in his orbit.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/15/trump-has-the-power-to-declassify-
whatever-he-wants-including-the-russian-intercepts/

Trump has the power to declassify anything he wants, right now. But I think that is as unlikely to happen as Trump declassifying his income tax returns, you know, the returns he promised to publicize to show America what a truthful businessman he is, with no hidden, dishonest dealings.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, February 16, 2017 6:13 PM

If Trump had really intended to drain the swamp, fight the deep state, make America great, he should have planned ahead. But he didn't do the work. We will have to wait for the posthumous biographies to find out the real reasons why he didn't.

Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating. But either Trump can't think of a way to do that (he is a very weak planner) or else he must not agree with your assessment because he has done nothing other than tweet about it. This is very unwise of Trump, assuming he actually wants to be in charge of the White House.
www.marketwatch.com/story/intelligence-officials-withhold-sensitive-in
formation-from-trump-report-2017-02-15

Maybe the office of President should be filled with somebody more decisive and with more ideas than Trump. Perhaps Pence? If Trump keeps acting like he has early onset dementia he will be run over by the bureaucracy.

From my experience with Trumpish Texas businessmen, they are loudmouth jerks, in it only for the money, who will back down if you confront them. The CIA has confronted Trump. The New York Trump doesn't appear to have more strength of character or knowledge of how to handle powerful opposition than the average Texas Trumpish blowhard out to get rich.

Maybe Trump is too old, too rich and too lazy to do the job of being President. Or too crazy.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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The hysterical crying is optional- SECOND
Really??? Does that mean you'll shut up soon?

Geee... tax returns versus CIA coup.... tax returns versus a CIA coup ... I can't tell which is more important.

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Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics.
then he negates what he just said ..
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But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

So, SECOND, do you prefer the deep state? Or the Trump state? Think it through, because those are your choices.

Deep state?
Or Trump state?

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 6:43 PM

No 1kiki, that's how SIG responded to my request for cites. So I asked for them again. You know that, you're the liar here and that's nothing new.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Actually, what you asked for were cites that you're a deep state troll. I can't believe it, but you're so fucking dishonest you lie about your own posts, with quotes that disprove your own lies.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Cites please

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Cites please SIG. I've been asking for cites showing where you got the information

Cites please.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 6:48 PM

The Republicans are blocking appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Trumps ties to Russia. But they want to investigate the leaks. Keeps in mind, the leak was truthful and without it Flynn would still be national security adviser. He would still be sitting in on our countries most sensitive intelligence updates. Even Trump said he asked for his resignation because he couldn't be trusted.

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Originally posted by second:
Donald Trump then spent the early morning Wednesday unhappily tweeting about this:

This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign.
6:08 AM -15 Feb 2017

If in fact all of this is “non-sense,” Trump has the power as president to make that clear immediately - by declassifying all government intercepts of communications between Russian nationals and anyone in his orbit.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/15/trump-has-the-power-to-declassify-
whatever-he-wants-including-the-russian-intercepts/

Trump has the power to declassify anything he wants, right now. But I think that is as unlikely to happen as Trump declassifying his income tax returns, you know, the returns he promised to publicize to show America what a truthful businessman he is, with no hidden, dishonest dealings.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:19 PM

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If Trump had really intended to drain the swamp, fight the deep state, make America great, he should have planned ahead.

Agreed

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Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

"Nobody" is not a choice. It's either the elected President of the USA, at least nominally in charge, or it's whoever the deep state chooses. You and I don't have a choice of "neither of the above".

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Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating.

And hopefully, if Trump can't figure out a way, his advisors can, and he will be smart enough to listen.

I voted for Trump for a reason. I knew ahead of time, and said so quite often, than Trump would be a loose cannon and- look!- Trump is a loose cannon! But Trump is NOT a deep-stater, or a transnational global financialist; he's far too nationalistic for that. IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN BACKING INTERNATIONAL FASCISM VERSUS NATIONAL FASCISM, I'LL CHOOSE NATIONAL FASCISM. Because if the control is here, in the USA, WE (Americans) have the possibility of fighting for our future. But if the nexus of control is spread across the globe, and the USA has no more control over its own economic, environmental, energy, labor etc policies than (say) Greece, but must bend to the will of some unreachable unelected organization someplace else ... WHAT THEN, SECOND?

I thought that if Trump was elected, I - and others who feel like me- would be fighting Trump on a number of issues, either at the state level (under states rights) or at the Federal level, with every LEGAL, DEMOCRATIC means at our disposal. And in four years, or eight- depending on how quickly a viable left-of-center candidate is put forward - we will start fulfilling the will of the American people.

But a bunch of idiots- like you- who whine, bitch, moan, and riot against the FACT of the Trump Presidency - who are willing to use, approve of, and abet non-democratic means to "get rid of Trump" .... who would cheer on the deep state to fulfill your media-inflamed short-sighted temper tantrum .... are a bigger danger to our freedom than Trump himself.

So, gee thanks.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:37 PM

And I'm not the only left-of-center person to think so* (*see above):

Quote:
"Wake Up America" Dennis Kucinich Defends Trump, Issues Dire Warning About "Deep State"

In the interview, Kucinich blamed factions of the US intelligence community for wanting to end any positive relationship between Russia and the US, hoping for a return of the cold war.

"...the American people have to know that there's a game going on inside the intelligence community... at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war... wake up America!!"

Kucinich did not see this as an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russia game:

“It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”

This is like “Deep State” said Kucinich.

I'm taking a LEFT WING stance, not a RIGHT WING one. People on the left- like Glenn Greenwald, Kucinich, and Matt Taibbi - know where it's at. Obama was not a "left wing" President, any more than Hillary was a "left wing" candidate. Liberals are so used to identifying themselves ... and anyone who claims to be a liberal ... as some sort of enlightened left-of-center group that when they get criticized FROM THE LEFT they don't even recognize where the criticism is coming from - they assume it's from the right.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:59 PM

Shit SIG, this is all quoted from zerohedge except the one regarding Flynn. Can't you ever tell the truth? Your refusal to stop lying, and posting from sources that are known to be lying, removes any doubt of you being a troll. Daily SIG, daily, you are shown to be posting lies. It also proves once again you have no intention of being an honest broker in these threads. I'm still waiting for your cites showing were you got your information on a CIA coup taking place in America. I'm sure I'll wait till hell freezes over because we both know that's a lie as well.

Content Checked For Plagiarism:

Wake Up America" Dennis Kucinich Defends Trump, Issues Dire Warning About "Deep State"

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And I'm not the only left-of-center person to think so* (*see above):

Quote:
"Wake Up America" Dennis Kucinich Defends Trump, Issues Dire Warning About "Deep State"

In the interview, Kucinich blamed factions of the US intelligence community for wanting to end any positive relationship between Russia and the US, hoping for a return of the cold war.

"...the American people have to know that there's a game going on inside the intelligence community... at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war... wake up America!!"

Kucinich did not see this as an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russia game:

“It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”

This is like “Deep State” said Kucinich.

I'm taking a LEFT WING stance, not a RIGHT WING one. People on the left- like Glenn Greenwald, Kucinich, and Matt Taibbi - know where it's at. Obama was not a "left wing" President, Hillary was not a "left wing" candidate. Liberals are so used to identifying themselves ... and anyone who claims to be a liberal ... as some sort of enlightened left-of-center group that when they get criticized FROM THE LEFT they don't even recognize where the criticism is coming from - they assume it's from the right.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:13 PM

THUGR, your ability to resist the truth is amazing. You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

Here is Kucinich, per the link helpfully provided by Zerohedge, and he has a LOT MORE to say about this than the deep state. Much of his criticism is pointed directly at you and people like you, THUGR, for being idiots, puppets, patsies, dupes... whatever you want to call it.

And what's with posting the same link a half-dozen times? Do you think it makes you look like you did some "research"?

heh heh heh
THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL
AND A LIAR

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:46 PM

Again you miss the point. You keep going back to the well of misinformation as your source. What you posted was written by people who HIDE THEIR IDENTIES. I check a lot of your quotes out before I read them. If they come from a bullshit source I won't read them. I'll just point that out.

The other thing is that you found someone who wrongfully believes it's our intelligence agencies that are driving the message. It's not, it's Russian activities that are driving the message; globally. And it is patriots, and Trumps own advisors who are engaged in a power struggle amongst themselves, that are leaking.

The problem you and Kucinich share is that the leaked information is true. Nothing you post changes that. Also it's worse than just Flynn. Others in Trumps campaign were in contact with the Russians during, and after, the campaign. That is also true and being investigated.

Just another negative anti-American post by SIG THE TROLL.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, your ability to resist the truth is amazing. You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

Here is Kucinich, per the link helpfully provided by Zerohedge, and he has a LOT MORE to say about this than the deep state. Much of his criticism is pointed directly at you and people like you, THUGR, for being idiots, puppets, patsies, dupes... whatever you want to call it.

And what's with posting the same link a half-dozen times? Do you think it makes you look like you did some "research"?

heh heh heh
THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL
AND A LIAR

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:09 PM

Quote:
Again you miss the point. You keep going back to the well of misinformation as your source. What you posted was written by people who HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES.

BUT POST LINKS TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. SO THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT TOO LAZY OR STUPID, (you seem to be both) CAN FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

And having had your ass handed to you on what Kucinich said ... and how he implicitly criticized deep-state tools like you ... you try to divert the conversation and bury the posts. That doesn't even deserve a "nice try", troll.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:35 PM

REPOSTED

Quote:
If Trump had really intended to drain the swamp, fight the deep state, make America great, he should have planned ahead.

Agreed

Quote:
Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

"Nobody" is not a choice. It's either the elected President of the USA, at least nominally in charge, or it's whoever the deep state chooses. You and I don't have a choice of "neither of the above".

Quote:
Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating.

And hopefully, if Trump can't figure out a way, his advisors can, and he will be smart enough to listen.

I voted for Trump for a reason. I knew ahead of time, and said so quite often, than Trump would be a loose cannon and- look!- Trump is a loose cannon! But Trump is NOT a deep-stater, or a transnational global financialist; he's far too nationalistic for that. IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN BACKING INTERNATIONAL FASCISM VERSUS NATIONAL FASCISM, I'LL CHOOSE NATIONAL FASCISM. Because if the control is here, in the USA, WE (Americans) have the possibility of fighting for our future. But if the nexus of control is spread across the globe, and the USA has no more control over its own economic, environmental, energy, labor etc policies than (say) Greece, but must bend to the will of some unreachable unelected organization someplace else ... WHAT THEN, SECOND?

I thought that if Trump was elected, I - and others who feel like me- would be fighting Trump on a number of issues, either at the state level (under states rights) or at the Federal level, with every LEGAL, DEMOCRATIC means at our disposal. And in four years, or eight- depending on how quickly a viable left-of-center candidate is put forward - we will start fulfilling the will of the American people.

But a bunch of idiots- like you- who whine, bitch, moan, and riot against the FACT of the Trump Presidency - who are willing to use, approve of, and abet non-democratic means to "get rid of Trump" .... who would cheer on the deep state to fulfill your media-inflamed short-sighted temper tantrum .... are a bigger danger to our freedom than Trump himself.

So, gee thanks.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:36 PM

REPOSTED
THUGR, your ability to resist the truth is amazing. You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

Here is Kucinich, per the link helpfully provided by Zerohedge, and he has a LOT MORE to say about this than the deep state. Much of his criticism is pointed directly at you and people like you, THUGR, for being idiots, puppets, patsies, dupes... whatever you want to call it.

And what's with posting the same link a half-dozen times? Do you think it makes you look like you did some "research"?

heh heh heh
THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL
AND A LIAR

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, February 17, 2017 12:10 AM

So, GSTRING, aside from making me the focus of your post (in your usual trollish fashion) do you have anything ON TOPIC to say?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Friday, February 17, 2017 4:50 AM

Again, SIG THE TROLL. They alter the text to make it appear as though it is saying something else.
You ignorant bitch.

It's why they hide their identities. I've said that here at least a dozen times. You continue to ignore the truth of it. Which explains why you hold the title of Russian troll.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Again you miss the point. You keep going back to the well of misinformation as your source. What you posted was written by people who HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES.
BUT POST LINKS TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. SO THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT TOO LAZY OR STUPID, (you seem to be both) CAN FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

And having had your ass handed to you on what Kucinich said ... and how he implicitly criticized deep-state tools like you ... you try to divert the conversation and bury the posts. That doesn't even deserve a "nice try", troll.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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SECOND

Friday, February 17, 2017 4:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
REPOSTED
Quote:
If Trump had really intended to drain the swamp, fight the deep state, make America great, he should have planned ahead.
Agreed

Quote:
Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

"Nobody" is not a choice. It's either the elected President of the USA, at least nominally in charge, or it's whoever the deep state chooses. You and I don't have a choice of "neither of the above".

Quote:
Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating.
And hopefully, if Trump can't figure out a way, his advisors can, and he will be smart enough to listen.

I voted for Trump for a reason. I knew ahead of time, and said so quite often, than Trump would be a loose cannon and- look!- Trump is a loose cannon! But Trump is NOT a deep-stater, or a transnational global financialist; he's far too nationalistic for that. IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN BACKING INTERNATIONAL FASCISM VERSUS NATIONAL FASCISM, I'LL CHOOSE NATIONAL FASCISM. Because if the control is here, in the USA, WE (Americans) have the possibility of fighting for our future. But if the nexus of control is spread across the globe, and the USA has no more control over its own economic, environmental, energy, labor etc policies than (say) Greece, but must bend to the will of some unreachable unelected organization someplace else ... WHAT THEN, SECOND?

I did not vote for Trump because I am extremely familiar with the type. Texas is infested with little wannabe Trumps, little super-patriots waving their huge American flags on poles outside their businesses. The Trumps of Texas and New York state are loud, aggressive, greedy, and, when they are not looking after their own interests, lazy and ignorant. People like Trump run and hide from people who aren't profitable for them. Trump will do a terrible job for you, Signym. It is in his nature. Trump gave a press conference today and he revealed himself:
www.vox.com/2017/2/16/14640956/trump-press-conference-flynn-fired

or there is this Trump talk:

ALEXANDER: You said today that you had the biggest electoral margin since Ronald Reagan, 304, 306 electoral votes. But President Obama had 365....

TRUMP: Well, I'm talking about Republicans.

ALEXANDER: George H.W. Bush, 426 when he won as president. So why should Americans trust you?

TRUMP: Well no, I was given that information. I don't know, I was just given—we had a very, very big margin.

ALEXANDER: I guess my question is why Americans should trust you when you use information...

TRUMP: Well, I don't know, I was given that information. I was given—I actually, I've seen that information around.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/my-job-just-got-lot-easier

Trump is a lazy ignoramus who can't talk sense. And Signym voted for him. Signym's whys for voting Trump are as bad as Trump's explanations for why he fired Flynn.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, February 17, 2017 5:36 PM

AH, THE TRUTH WILL OUT: MARK ZUCKERBERG HATES AMERICA

Mark Zuckerberg Rejects "America First", wants something else OVER AMERICA.

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Mark Zuckerberg Rejects "America First", Calls For Global Community

First, there is no such thing as "the global community". That presumes the "global community" have a commonality of interests .... We want more food and less war ... and the means to make it happen. IF that were the case, there wouldn't be so many wars, and so many millions of displaced people. Mark Zuckerberg has yet to stop a war.

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Hot on the heels of retailers who have halted sales of Ivanka Trump's clothing line in protest against Trump (and free marketing buzz), the tech "resistance" against Trump got its lead from Facebook CEO Mark Zuckeberg who on Thursday posted a lengthy note "rebuking isolationist “America First” sentiment, and touting the merits of globalization and a “global community” working for innovation and progress."

And deliver poverty and tyranny. So, spies and software giants find themselves in the same "globalization" camp.

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In short, the CEO of the "social network", whose business model is predicated upon uninhibited globalization allowing advertisers to reach into every corner of the world with 3 second video clips, is calling for a global government. Not all that surprising.

So tell me , Mark, how has your technology made the world a better place? Other than for advertising, that is?

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As the Daily Beast, which first reported about Zuckerberg's post, summarizes:

Discouraged by the underlying suspicion of foreign entities, as seen during the 2016 election and the rise of President Trump, Zuckerberg wrote that he wants to refocus Facebook on helping people ~~come together~~ access products across borders.

“We have to build a global community that works for ~~everyone~~ me . I really don’t have much doubt that this is the right direction to go in the long term.” Part of his goal, he wrote, is to make Facebook a global community that is ~~supportive, safe, informed, civically engaged, and inclusive.~~ supportive of our products

Some more excerpts from Zuckerberg's sermon for globalization:

On our journey to connect the world, we often discuss products we're building and updates on our business. Today I want to focus on the most important question of all: ~~are we building the world we all want~~ Am I making as much money as I want?

History is the story of how we've learned to come together in ever greater numbers -- from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to ~~empower us to achieve things we couldn't on our own~~ make sure that most of us were heading in the same direction, which was usually the direction that made a few people fabulously wealthy

Today we are close to taking our next step. Our greatest opportunities are now global -- like spreading ~~prosperity and freedom~~ poverty and powerlessness , promoting ~~peace and understanding~~ advertising and propaganda , lifting people out of ~~poverty~~ independence , and accelerating ~~science~~ conformity . Our greatest challenges also need

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Friday, February 17, 2017 6:15 PM

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AH, THE TRUTH WILL OUT: MARK ZUCKERBERG HATES AMERICA,

Seriously, he hates America, Even the THOUGHT of America makes him sick, Yanno, kinda like THUGR, who can't even imagine what he's FOR about America.

Sarcasm on. Zuckerberg must hate America because, with 2 billion users of Facebook, many who are not living in the USA, Zuckerberg is in charge of the 3rd largest network in the world. The 2nd largest network is the Internet with 3.5 billion users. The largest network is Money with 7.3 billion users. Signym could argue that the Internet and Money are without net value to super-patriotic Signym because those networks extend across national borders, as does Facebook. Close the borders to save American jobs and save American lives from terrorists! Sarcasm off.

http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2017/02/top-ten-cybergs.html

Oh, I forgot to mention that Trump's dementia is starting to show. If you can watch his news conference all the way to the end and think he has got all his marbles, you have lost your marbles. The entire point of this press conference seemed to be directed at one thing: accusing the press of being horrible and dishonest. This came up in nearly every Trump answer. This is a great strategy for shoring up his base, of course. As near as I can tell, conservatives all thought this dumpster fire of a press conference was a terrific performance. Sad.

The nine most insane moments from Donald Trump’s reality-challenged press conference
https://qz.com/912956/real-leaks-fake-news-nine-insane-moments-from-tr
umps-press-conference/

Here Are Your Highlights of Today's Trump Press Meltdown
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/here-are-your-highlights-todays
-trump-press-meltdown

Donald Trump’s explanation for why he fired Michael Flynn makes no sense
www.vox.com/2017/2/16/14640956/trump-press-conference-flynn-fired

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 17, 2017 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The first premise of your post was that it was not legal to post the contents of other peoples emails, therefore we did not see Clintons.

That is not at all what I said. The media told people that it was illegal for us to read Clinton's emails, therefore we should let them read them and tell us what was in them. Take a much needed course in reading comprehension for adults at your local community college.

Per CNN:

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remember... it's illegal to possess these stolen documents. It's different for the media. So everything you learn about this, you're learning from US.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 17, 2017 10:29 PM

ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the developed nations of the world know that except for THGGRI.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Friday, February 17, 2017 11:03 PM

We all remember the past year and a half and SIGs’ barrage of attacks against Hillary, and her staunch support of Trump. The same SIG who argued vehemently Trump would be a much better choice for President, is now finding ways to post how he sucks. Think about it. It’s very consistent. She bashes everything American. Trump is now the president so it’s time for her to pivot. Trump is bad, because Trump represents America. It will seem a bit Schizophrenic because she will be praising his support for Putin, until or if that changes, but Trump will now come under her attack. This is the point. Not what she will be saying against him.

As for her labeling Zuckerberg un-American, that too is obvious. When someone suggests she is heartless, she starts a thread to show she is not. Usually it’s over the top if you know what I mean. That’s all this is. She is calling Zuckerberg un-American as if to say hey, look at me, this proves I love America.

Let me be clear about what I believe gives the most insight into what SIG is about. She constantly cites untrustworthy and fake news sources to assist her in “trolling theses threads”. It would be great if she was confronted about her sourcing by others when she does that. I believe when she quotes others, who themselves are quoting others through untrustworthy sources, (by people who hide their identities), discussing anything but her source, is to argue against material she has posted that is subjective and void of the realities of the actual topic. To me it only makes sense to not discuss the topic, and instead call her out on her source.

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THGRRI

Friday, February 17, 2017 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The first premise of your post was that it was not legal to post the contents of other peoples emails, therefore we did not see Clintons.

That is not at all what I said. The media told people that it was illegal for us to read Clinton's emails, therefore we should let them read them and tell us what was in them. Take a much needed course in reading comprehension for adults at your local community college.

Per CNN:

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remember... it's illegal to possess these stolen documents. It's different for the media. So everything you learn about this, you're learning from US.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Jack you're chasing your tail here. You'll have to do that on your own.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:03 AM

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Jack you're chasing your tail here. You'll have to do that on your own.

It's becoming clear that I'm wasting my time speaking with you. You suffer from some form of learning disability or something that makes it impossible to have intelligent conversation with you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:20 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack you're chasing your tail here. You'll have to do that on your own.

It's becoming clear that I'm wasting my time speaking with you. You suffer from some form of learning disability or something that makes it impossible to have intelligent conversation with you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Let me clear that up for you Jack. If you put forth an intelligent conversation you will get one back. So far you have yet to do so.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 18, 2017 4:58 AM

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Let me clear that up for you Jack. If you put forth an intelligent conversation you will get one back. So far you have yet to do so.

I have yet to see an intelligent thing come from any of your posting since my sobriety THGGRI. When you're losing an argument, which is all of the time, you just lean back into your basket of deplorables insults or resort to calling somebody a troll or a communist sympatizer. But please, do continue to show everyone how obsessed you are with me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Let me clear that up for you Jack. If you put forth an intelligent conversation you will get one back. So far you have yet to do so.

I have yet to see an intelligent thing come from any of your posting since my sobriety THGGRI. When you're losing an argument, which is all of the time, you just lean back into your basket of deplorables insults or resort to calling somebody a troll or a communist sympatizer. But please, do continue to show everyone how obsessed you are with me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What I posted Jack was relevant to the facts we were discussing. It's unfortunate but you kept shifting it as a defense. I could lay it all out, but it's not worth doing when you would only shift the point again.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:34 PM

THGRRI

Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh look, the deep state troll just posted.

The term deep state is being used as a way to explain leaks within the White House. It's a conspiracy theory and why SIG says the CIA is staging a coup. She provides nothing to back that up.

It's the same with the Trump administration. The concept deep state is being used to deflect from and explain the investigations going on concerning Russia. As well as Trump and his aids constant lying. If they are not lying they are answering the questions of the press by changing the subject.

It's a strategy that will not work. Only 30 to 39 percent of the population is solid Trump. The other 60 or 70 percent are not. The facts already show Obama was much more successful during this time period in his presidency.

"Deep state" has historically been associated with countries like Turkey, where sophisticated shadow governments allegedly control or influence key aspects of state policy, but the term has gained attention in the United States as the Trump administration has struggled to control its bureaucracy in the face of leaks from the intelligence community.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:17 PM

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Oh, I forgot to mention that Trump's dementia is starting to show. If you can watch his news conference all the way to the end and think he has got all his marbles, you have lost your marbles. - SECOND

SECOND< THANK YOU for posting the link.

I listened to the entire press conference. and if there was anything in it that I disagreed with, I don't remember what it was

Yes, the press is dishonest
Yes, the leaks of confidential information are illegal
Yes, the leaks were done by the CIA/ NSA because they are the only ones with the capacity to listen in on telephone conversations.
Yes, the leaks were done by the CIA to prevent rapprochment with Russia.
YES, ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT RUSSIA IS A SCAM
No, Flynn did not do or say anything illegal
YES, to repeat myself, this is part of a CIA plot
Yes, Pompeo and whoever is the next head of the National Security Advisor head better start firing hundreds and polygraphing thousands of staff

MAYBE CHARGE A COUPLE OF THESE CLOWNS WITH TREASON.

Did you even listen to this yourself?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:21 PM

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Oh look, the deep state troll just posted. - THUGR

The term deep state is being used as a way to explain leaks within the White House. It's a conspiracy theory and why SIG says the CIA is staging a coup. She provides nothing to back that up.

It's the same with the Trump administration. The concept deep state is being used to deflect from and explain the investigations going on concerning Russia. As well as Trump and his aids constant lying. If they are not lying they are answering the questions of the press by changing the subject.

Oh look, the Deep State Troll is defending itself.

It's no good, THUGR. You have finally outed yourself as a supporter of the deep state. You have said nothing against it, are constantly defending it and its actions, no matter how heinous. That just goes to show who you really are: a paid troll. They should get their money back.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:28 PM

REPOSTED WITH CORRECTED FORMATTING

AH, THE TRUTH WILL OUT: MARK ZUCKERBERG HATES AMERICA

Mark Zuckerberg Rejects "America First", wants something else OVER AMERICA.

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Mark Zuckerberg Rejects "America First", Calls For Global Community

First, there is no such thing as "the global community". That presumes the "global community" have a commonality of interests .... We want more food and less war ... and the means to make it happen. IF that were the case, there wouldn't be so many wars, and so many millions of displaced people. Mark Zuckerberg has yet to stop a war.

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Hot on the heels of retailers who have halted sales of Ivanka Trump's clothing line in protest against Trump (and free marketing buzz), the tech "resistance" against Trump got its lead from Facebook CEO Mark Zuckeberg who on Thursday posted a lengthy note "rebuking isolationist “America First” sentiment, and touting the merits of globalization and a “global community” working for innovation and progress."

And deliver poverty and tyranny. So, spies and software giants find themselves in the same "globalization" camp.

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In short, the CEO of the "social network", whose business model is predicated upon uninhibited globalization allowing advertisers to reach into every corner of the world with 3 second video clips, is calling for a global government. Not all that surprising.

So tell me , Mark, how has your technology made the world a better place? Other than for advertising, that is?

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As the Daily Beast, which first reported about Zuckerberg's post, summarizes:

Discouraged by the underlying suspicion of foreign entities, as seen during the 2016 election and the rise of President Trump, Zuckerberg wrote that he wants to refocus Facebook on helping people ~~come together~~ access products across borders.

“We have to build a global community that works for ~~everyone~~ me . I really don’t have much doubt that this is the right direction to go in the long term.” Part of his goal, he wrote, is to make Facebook a global community that is ~~supportive, safe, informed, civically engaged, and inclusive.~~ supportive of our products

Some more excerpts from Zuckerberg's sermon for globalization:

On our journey to connect the world, we often discuss products we're building and updates on our business. Today I want to focus on the most important question of all: ~~are we building the world we all want~~ Am I making as much money as I want?

History is the story of how we've learned to come together in ever greater numbers -- from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to ~~empower us to achieve things we couldn't on our own~~ make sure that most of us were heading in the same direction, which was usually the direction that made a few people fabulously wealthy

Today we are close to taking our next step. Our greatest opportunities are now global -- like spreading ~~prosperity and freedom~~ poverty and powerlessness , promoting ~~peace and understanding~~ advertising and propaganda , lifting people out of ~~poverty~~ independence , and accelerating ~~science~~ conformity

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