Guns, Guns, Guns.
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I tried to. My grandmother had dementia, but the gun in her house helped her feel safe. She never shot anyone, so who am I to question that?
I have also put forward this same argument to my own family - though I hide my crazy better with family than I do on here, so I imagine that argument doesn't work as well here.
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Byte, I just really hate all the talk going around about people with mental illness not being allowed to own guns, or even be in a house where someone ELSE owns a gun. This isn't even a slippery slope; it's downright discrimination. Someone with a history of problems who has mental illness, or someone who SEVERAL independent psychiatrists think might be a risk, or some other caveat, is one thing. But to just deny EVERYONE who's ever sought treatment for a mental illness--which means we've been diagnosed because if you see a p-doc, you come out with a diagnosis, since almost nobody GOES to a p-doc unless something's wrong enough to make them want help, so we're immediately "mentally ill"--the ability to defend themselves? That's truly insane, and talk about stigmatizing us!
Just think about how many millions of Americans have been diagnosed with "Clinical Depression"... Just think about the VAST majority of us who deal with our disability in such a way that you'd never even know we HAVE one, and who are perfectly innocent, contributing members of society...
Anthony, I'll answer a couple of your questions:Quote:
Would the owner's estate be credited for the value of the arms in question? And would the owner be fully compensated if they elected to surrender the weapon early?
I should think anyone would be compensated for any gun they turn in, ever.Quote:
What is the purpose of a permit? Given that safety courses and background checks are part of your plan, what is the permit designed to accomplish?
I think a permit or license would be helpful in keeping track of who has what, and would help the police in the case of a crime. And yes, I'd want to limit any permit/license just like a registry: so that it could not be used except when investigating a crime with a court order.Quote:
Do you realize that such a limit would outlaw several lever-action rifles from the late 19th century?
In my opinion any limitation on bullets would apply to modern weaponry, not to existing weapons. Just like the ban Feinstein is proposing, I'd "grandfather" in everything currently owned...I don't like it, mind you, but it makes sense. And for me, the number of rounds pertains to semi-automatic anything. Semi-auto weapons eat rounds and make mass murder easier if they don't have to be reloaded.
None of this is easy, would be accepted, or is possible, and I'm sure there are tons of ways around all of it. But in my opinion it would be a START at least, and better than doing nothing, for the sake of the future and at least making SOME kind of dent in the firepower we've seen abused.
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permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
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It would be wiser to have people complete a gun safety course before buying a gun.
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What is the difference between the two? What am I missing?
Hello,
Well, it seemed the 'permit' was referring to concealed weapons permits, which is a seperate issue from gun purchasing.
--Anthony
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no, Anthony, I wouldn't "be willing to accommodate some training or safety course that would allow someone to obtain prohibited weapons and/or accessories".
Hello,
This would seem to indicate that the 500,000+ police officers in this country would be held to the same standards as the rest of us. If so, I consider this a big step towards fairness and it proves a legitimate concern for the public safety. I could never understand how one could be concerned about inherently dangerous weapons and then want over half a million people to be able to run around with them.
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I propose we change "assault weapon" to "semi-automatic weapon", for clarity purposes.
Well, that's more specific, so I laud it. But does that mean you want to ban all semiautomatic weapons, or only those with certain features?
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I'm not sure what, aside from semi-autos, would be considered an assault weapon; please educate me if there are others.
Fully Automatic weapons are actual assault weapons. When you pull the trigger, they have the ability to fire more than one time. When you think of a modern military rifle, this is what you're thinking of. These weapons are currently legal only with extensive background checks, copious expenditures of money, and/or special permits.
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What do you think of the gun-show loophole?
You probably don't remember, but I have previously been willing to close this loophole. I just don't want gun lists accessible without a court order, in the investigation of a crime. (Which would ostensibly prevent someone from printing out lists of everyone armed in the neighborhood and going out to collect their weapons.)
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I think we already know your opinion of internet sale of guns, I seem to remember we discussed that one before--
I'm not sure what you're worried about with internet sales. You can pay for a gun online, but you have to go to a dealer and proceed through the normal background check before taking possession of it. The only guns exempt from this are antique style blackpowder weapons.
--Anthony
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
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Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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the ability to defend themselves? That's truly insane, and talk about stigmatizing us!
Agreed. I said before, I'm not so sure the problem here is mental illness in general, but people with mental illness at some kind of breaking point. I think we need to address the issues that drive people to that breaking point.
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I think a permit or license would be helpful in keeping track of who has what, and would help the police in the case of a crime.
Hello,
I'm not sure how a permit is helpful if you're going to conduct the background check anyway. I'm not sure how a permit helps investigation of a crime, either. Everyone is 'permitted' if they meet the criteria, so issuing physical permits seems redundant. What are they for, exactly?
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And yes, I'd want to limit any permit/license just like a registry: so that it could not be used except when investigating a crime with a court order.
This is a major issue for me, so I'm glad it's one you'd be willing to accept.
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In my opinion any limitation on bullets would apply to modern weaponry, not to existing weapons. Just like the ban Feinstein is proposing, I'd "grandfather" in everything currently owned...I don't like it, mind you, but it makes sense. And for me, the number of rounds pertains to semi-automatic anything. Semi-auto weapons eat rounds and make mass murder easier if they don't have to be reloaded.
I am particularly interested in a historical shooting sport that uses firearms styled after 100+ year antiques. The Winchester rifle of Wild West fame is one example. It had a tubular magazine that held 15 rounds. But this is not a removeable magazine that can be swapped out. Once empty, a person has to feed ammunition back into the rifle one bullet at a time. I'd want old-fashioned manually actuated weapons like this one to be excluded from a ban. They are not generally considered good weapons for mass murder because of how long it takes to reload them once they are discharged. Their lever has to be cranked after each shot. Their value lies primarily in sport shooting and heritage re-enactments. (Although they are also useful for hunting certain types of game.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_rifle
You've probably seen these rifles in Westerns.
--Anthony
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Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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the ability to defend themselves? That's truly insane, and talk about stigmatizing us!
Agreed. I said before, I'm not so sure the problem here is mental illness in general, but people with mental illness at some kind of breaking point. I think we need to address the issues that drive people to that breaking point.
Hello,
I think I've heard "is a danger to themselves or others" before. That seems like a pretty common-sense measure of dangerous mental illness.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:Okay, let's get this straight, nearly EVERYONE has mental health issues.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Agreed. I said before, I'm not so sure the problem here is mental illness in general, but people with mental illness at some kind of breaking point. I think we need to address the issues that drive people to that breaking point.
In this country nearly half of its populace voted for Romney, the other half suffers from depression, anxiety, whatever.
Being a little nuts in NO WAY should limit gun ownership any more than being allowed to drive a CAR.
Being batshit murderous should cancel BOTH, all right?
Identifying THAT is not easy....
Well, sometimes it is.
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Identifying THAT is not easy....
Hello,
Agreed, and we must be careful to uphold people's liberties while we figure out how to make such determinations.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:On the other side of this equation, going cheap on NOT employing REAL PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE to watch monitors & respond to emergencies is a major problem IMO.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
we must be careful to uphold people's liberties while we figure out how to make such determinations.
After 9-11, I would have expected an investment in this area, how stupidly wrong I was.
Again, all about saving costs to boost return.
Return our murdered children, you profit pigs.
Sorry; parent here.
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