Imponderables: Seasonal Visitors

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:33 AM

Smart creatures are heading south for the winter. Without Browncoat Island what are we to do?

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FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:34 AM

I hate winter. It went from southern weather to very cold over night ><;; damn new england.

DANCINGNEKO

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Smart creatures are heading south for the winter. Without Browncoat Island what are we to do?

Support the island state we do have by buying a nearby island and importing stuff in cheap? (Hey, you asked....)

PEACEKEEPER

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
I hate winter. It went from southern weather to very cold over night ><;; damn new england.

I'm flying to New York next week.I hear there is going to be snow?

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

TRAVELER

Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:49 AM

Not bad here yet in old Milwaukee. But I am sure we will get our share. These damn Great lakes increase the snowfall. They call it "Lake Effect".
I call it SHIT.

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NICODEMUS

Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:20 AM

You're all welcome to head this far south, but it's only early spring here, so it's still somewhat cold and wet (at times).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:52 AM

Sitting here between Lake Michigan and Lake Superior, it was 29 on Aug 30th, and 29 last night and 30ish tonight.
About time it cooled down, now the riffraff can move south.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
I hate winter. It went from southern weather to very cold over night ><;; damn new england.

flying to New York next week.I hear there is going to be snow?

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!
-_ you're not funny, Peacekeeper.

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ZEEK

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:26 PM

Still pretty nice weather down in Texas

If we could just get rid of the locals.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:51 PM

lucky you -_-

RUGBUG

Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:27 PM

We went from upper 80s to lower 70s almost overnight. It was like 'it's still summer' one day and 'oh crap, it's fall' the next.

Today is suppose to be nice (mid 80s) but will drop again tomorrow or the next day.

With fall comes wind. I HATE the wind. Trying to knock my little Vinnie down while going 45 is NOT nice.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:48 PM

Oh the wind... we've got similar issues Rugbug and I swear some days those gusts nearly send me airborn ( even as huge as I am)

It's definitely cool like fall, but I refuse to get my hopes up because Nevada can turn on you in a second and jump right back to summer... it's kinda like a drunken mother nature sort of swaving about it's summer.. no fall..summer.. fallwinter...

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:12 PM

OK here's a ponder I'm discussing with a friend. What's the range of time where "I love you" should start to be said? Is there a "too soon", "too late" and "juuuuuuust right"? For the sake of the discussion we'll say that these are two people who met and started dating right away. Which clears up some of the "well if you've known the person for a year before dating..." type of exceptions.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug: We went from upper 80s to lower 70s almost overnight. It was like 'it's still summer' one day and 'oh crap, it's fall' the next.

oh pooooor you. I'll trade. :P

*fingers freeze off because for some reason the AC in this school is still running, regardless of the fact that it's only in the mid-50s outside*

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
OK here's a ponder I'm discussing with a friend. What's the range of time where "I love you" should start to be said? Is there a "too soon", "too late" and "juuuuuuust right"?

Huh. Oddly enough, I was thinking about something along these lines last night. Unfortunately, with me, there's no easy answer.

When to say it - when you actually feel it. But from my perspective, that's sort of irrelevant when talking about timing. It's the recipient who determines whether it was too soon or too late, and each recipient is going to be different. So, when do *you* want to hear it?

My line of thinking was this: If someone easily, quickly, and frequently falls in love, does their love mean less than someone who may only fall in love once in their life? Guess that's my analytical robot side applying supply / demand scenario to your crazy hooman emotions.

ZEEK

Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
My line of thinking was this: If someone easily, quickly, and frequently falls in love, does their love mean less than someone who may only fall in love once in their life? Guess that's my analytical robot side applying supply / demand scenario to your crazy hooman emotions.

I would say it depends on the length of "quickly". To me if a person says it before they actually know their partner then it doesn't mean anything. I clearly don't believe in love at first sight. You can't love someone unless you know who that person is. So, then I guess the question is how long does it take to get to know someone. Maybe I should say, "how well do you need to know someone to love them". The other side of that coin is that you have to balance that it make take a long time to truly know someone. People have a right to know if a relationship is going somewhere.

Anyway, the answer I came up with is somewhere between 1 and 2 years. If you're saying "I love you" before a year of knowing someone then I say it's an illusion. If you still haven't said it after 2 years then you probably aren't in love.

MSA

Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:29 PM

I don't think there's a hard and fast say I love you after this period of time, but I do think you should know the person extremely well first. And by extremely well I mean you should know how they feel about who they are, how they became who they are, how they feel about their family, what they need to be content in a relationship, where they seem themselves in the future, how they handle frustration, disappointment, anger, joy, etc, and how they complement and add to you as a person.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RUGBUG

Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Anyway, the answer I came up with is somewhere between 1 and 2 years. If you're saying "I love you" before a year of knowing someone then I say it's an illusion. If you still haven't said it after 2 years then you probably aren't in love.

I think your answer may be right for YOU, but it isn't right for every person. You may not be ready to hear that someone loves you before a year, but that doesn't mean someone else isn't...or that they're relationship is an illusion.

As I've gotten older, I've realized that I could date/fall-in-love/marry on a much quicker scale than when I was younger. I use to be of the mind that four years of dating was about right. Now, if it was the right person, a few months might cut it.

This could because I know myself better, I know what I want, what I don't want. I'm no longer willing to right-off huge character flaws because 'he's hawt' or whatever. And I can more easily see what those flaws are without spending years getting to know someone.

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
I don't think there's a hard and fast say I love you after this period of time, but I do think you should know the person extremely well first. And by extremely well I mean you should know how they feel about who they are, how they became who they are, how they feel about their family, what they need to be content in a relationship, where they seem themselves in the future, how they handle frustration, disappointment, anger, joy, etc, and how they complement and add to you as a person.

For me, that list would be if I was going to marry someone. I think you can be in love with someone and still know that taking a crack at forever is a bad idea.

Should you say you love someone even if you don't think 'forever' is a good idea? Sure.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:32 PM

Don't disagree on any particular point with HK. Say it when you feel like it, when you really feel you can say it. It's on the recipient whether or not the timing is appropriate.

Along your line of thinking though, HK, I don't think it means less if it's coming from someone who falls in love frequently, they just have more love to give, and have more than one person they feel right giving it to. they just need someone who loves them back just as much, and not everyone finds him/her on the first time out. least that's my sentimental hooman view.

ZEEK

Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
I don't think there's a hard and fast say I love you after this period of time, but I do think you should know the person extremely well first. And by extremely well I mean you should know how they feel about who they are, how they became who they are, how they feel about their family, what they need to be content in a relationship, where they seem themselves in the future, how they handle frustration, disappointment, anger, joy, etc, and how they complement and add to you as a person.

For me, that list would be if I was going to marry someone. I think you can be in love with someone and still know that taking a crack at forever is a bad idea.

Should you say you love someone even if you don't think 'forever' is a good idea? Sure.

I don't know. I'm with MsA on you need to know those things. Otherwise what is really the basis of that love? If I say I love someone shouldn't I love that person as a whole? Is it ok to be in love with just a sliver of a person cause that's all you know about them? To me if you don't really know the person then the love is an illusion.

One thing my friend brought is up is whether it's hurtful to not say it after a certain amount of time? I thought "yes" at first but thinking it over some more then it's almost saying that a person has to say it before they're personally ready. That's not fair either.

Quick Edit: originally I lumped a little too much into that "I agree with MsA" part. I don't wanna put words into her mouth.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 1, 2009 9:05 PM

I think we all agree on the "don't be like Ted" notion :P

I don't think you really get to know all sides of someone until you start living with them. That's really the time (IMO) when you realize whether or not you really love them and can live with them. Are they gonna be complete angels all the way around? No. But you find out whether or not you can live with their flaws.

I might just be rambling. :P

TRAVELER

Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:06 PM

Say it when you feel it. Your partner may not feel the same, but a relationship certainly can survive your being honest. In time your partner will know if they are heading in the same direction and let you know. Just don't push it. You have made your self known and now let your relationship take its course. Like all experiences you have to stumble around and fall a few times before you start walking straight ahead with confidence.
Good luck.

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RUGBUG

Thursday, October 1, 2009 11:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
I don't think there's a hard and fast say I love you after this period of time, but I do think you should know the person extremely well first. And by extremely well I mean you should know how they feel about who they are, how they became who they are, how they feel about their family, what they need to be content in a relationship, where they seem themselves in the future, how they handle frustration, disappointment, anger, joy, etc, and how they complement and add to you as a person.

For me, that list would be if I was going to marry someone. I think you can be in love with someone and still know that taking a crack at forever is a bad idea.

Should you say you love someone even if you don't think 'forever' is a good idea? Sure.

I don't know. I'm with MsA on you need to know those things. Otherwise what is really the basis of that love? If I say I love someone shouldn't I love that person as a whole? Is it ok to be in love with just a sliver of a person cause that's all you know about them? To me if you don't really know the person then the love is an illusion.

One thing my friend brought is up is whether it's hurtful to not say it after a certain amount of time? I thought "yes" at first but thinking it over some more then it's almost saying that a person has to say it before they're personally ready. That's not fair either.

Quick Edit: originally I lumped a little too much into that "I agree with MsA" part. I don't wanna put words into her mouth.

But, some of MsA's list will never be known by some people. Is a person who doesn't know who they are, where they are going or how they get where they are now, unworthy of being loved? Some one can be a complete and total mess and still be loved...truly loved, not just an illusion of it.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Friday, October 2, 2009 2:59 AM

maybe I just prefer introspection.. I think you can love all kinds of people, but the true deep permanent love is only with someone who can show you all of themselves...someone who despite growth and change is still the person you love.

You can love someone who's a total mess so long as the both of you know that and it is part of your awareness...

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, October 2, 2009 2:36 PM

can't disagree and couldn't've said it better :P

so does anyone know any techniques to not be anxious? Especially when you've had bad experiences in the past about specified event?

RHYIANAN

Friday, October 2, 2009 3:09 PM

To completely get rid of anxiety, no. To get through to the other side with your sanity mostly intact, yes. It mostly depends on the event. The best thing you can do is make sure you are as prepared for the event as possible. Actual anxiety attacks can be averted through breathing techniques. Without knowing more, it's impossible to know what else would be helpful in your situation.

...but if all else fails, massive amounts of chocolate can't go amiss.

I'm a leaf on the wind

SOLARFLARE

Friday, October 2, 2009 3:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
so does anyone know any techniques to not be anxious?

I suffer from the whole anxiety thing. I tried medication, but it made me feel crappy. So, now, when I feel the whole anxiety thing eating me up, I find a quiet place and do some deep breaths. Not exactly scientific, but it helps.

As for the love thing... If you love someone, then you love all of them. Humans have faults. And it makes sense that you could love someone while realizing that their faults means that a more serious relationship is a bad idea.

Anyone who feels like they have to declare their love in the first few hours of each relationship, though, needs to examine why they are doing that. There's something not healthy about it. Since I'm not a psychologist, I can't say exactly what that is, though.

RUGBUG

Friday, October 2, 2009 5:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:

so does anyone know any techniques to not be anxious? Especially when you've had bad experiences in the past about specified event?

I feel a little silly answering this because the only anxiety I face is relatively minor in comparison to what a lot of people go through...but mine is very event related.

I occasionally have some anxiety related to jumping horses. I fell in '05 and was injured. While it wasn't extremely serious, it took a long time to recover from physically.

These days, I will sometimes be cantering down to a jump and my brain will start telling me I'm going to crash and die. the whole "this is the jump that's going to kill you" thing. While not likely, it is a possibility (did you know horseback riding is one of the most dangerous activities? It's supposedly more dangerous than motorcycle riding

).

To combat those thoughts, I focus on a few things:

1. Breathing. I take some deep, slow breaths (if possible, sometimes this happens on the way to a jump so there's not a whole lot of time to sit around and breath).

2. I tell my brain* to shut the hell up.

3. I think about my riding checklist...how I need to be riding and how my horse needs to be responding in order to give us the best chance at safely making it over the jump.

4. Then I just do it.

*notice I sort of compartmentalize the thoughts and attribute them to "my brain." This helps me from allowing my body to become frozen in fear....which is the last thing I want to do because it would increase the chances of a crash.

I know this is a petty little example but it's all I've got. Maybe there is a bit of information that could help you?

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Friday, October 2, 2009 6:13 PM

Best advice I ever got...
Figure out what the worst possible outcome is for what's going on and decide how to deal with that. If you know you have a plan for the worst then nothing else seems as distressing. Plus once you've honestly figured out what the worst that could happen is, most times you realize it's not that bad..

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RUGBUG

Friday, October 2, 2009 6:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Best advice I ever got...
Figure out what the worst possible outcome is for what's going on and decide how to deal with that. If you know you have a plan for the worst then nothing else seems as distressing. Plus once you've honestly figured out what the worst that could happen is, most times you realize it's not that bad..

Somehow death or serious physical injury doesn't comfort me at all. ;)

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Friday, October 2, 2009 6:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Somehow death or serious physical injury doesn't comfort me at all. ;)

But you can easily form a plan for how to handle it. If dead, then take dirtnap. With your plan ready to go you are all set!

MSA

Friday, October 2, 2009 6:55 PM

Well yeah Rugbug, but you're doing something that's inherently dangerous... most people aren't serious athletes:)

LOL Zeek... well then we might have to follow the U of Florida's zombie disaster plan ( if they hadn't taken it off the website)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, October 2, 2009 9:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan: but if all else fails, massive amounts of chocolate can't go amiss.

Oh, I just got a looooot of chocolate for my birthday, so I'm stocked up for that contingency and prepared to use it.

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA: Figure out what the worst possible outcome is for what's going on and decide how to deal with that. If you know you have a plan for the worst then nothing else seems as distressing. Plus once you've honestly figured out what the worst that could happen is, most times you realize it's not that bad..

I've already faced the worst possible outcome for this particular thing, and barely averted it. I don't know if I have the emotional strength to face it again (even though medical discharge might seem minor to some people).

The whole preparing thing (this is about having to PT this weekend, when I was only given TWO WEEKS notice, and my PT test for this year is still current until next June) doesn't really seem to work for me in this situation, because in Basic we were training every day save sunday for six straight weeks, and I still had the worst anxiety attack ever when it came time to do it for real. Same thing happened in tech school a few months later. Now it's hittin' me again (given all the bullshit I've been through with medical), which is why I want it to rain all day tomorrow (it's supposed to pour all weekend, first time I've ever wanted the weathermen to be right). I just don't feel ready, and it's giving me the shakes and freaking me out so I can't sleep at night ><;; I need to calm down in case the weather clears and I still have to go through with it tomorrow (which is what I'm planning for)

FREELANCERTEX

Sunday, October 4, 2009 12:25 PM

*Sunday morning bump* sorry for the tirade :P

no ponders for the moment.

Ok I lied. Why is it sometimes so hard to start an assignment *before* the night before it's due?

BRIGLAD

Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
I hate winter. It went from southern weather to very cold over night ><;; damn new england.

flying to New York next week.I hear there is going to be snow?

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

Had snow flurries here the other day... I've seen four inches on the first Weekend of October here in Vermont before...

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FREELANCERTEX

Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:42 PM

*shiver* Don't talk about snow yet ><;;

Really weird weather in CT though...I mean, yesterday it was cold, dark, and not only rainy, but thundering and lightning like nobody's business. Today it started out cool and foggy, then the sun raaaaaaaandomly came out and The temp all of a sudden shot up 20 degrees O_O

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:11 PM

Thanks, Zeek, I really appreciate it.

Miracle of miracles, I actually got an email from her late last evening. ---

As for me being crazy, I can't say that's an entirely false statement, but it's not at all true in this situation. I know it doesn't matter to you or anyone else, but I hate being lied about. And I, quite frankly, am sick to death of this bullshit. Here are two screen-caps proving that I've emailed her once a week since D*C: two each week to her two email accounts, and once via Facebook.

(((links images removed)))

MSA

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:20 PM

HUGS and HUGS HK... People like that with that kind of behavior is one of the few times I will get on my high horse and rant...
This " nothing is ever my fault victim here " mentality makes me sooooo angry.
You were being kind and generous and got repaid with rudeness and bratty behavior and I am very sorry I can't slap the person for you.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, October 5, 2009 4:44 PM

Well she really did seem to honestly believe she didn't get any emails. She PMed me that you sent her proof that you did send them and she says she's just baffled about it. Personally I believe her. Whether it was user error or an internet glitch I think she never saw the emails.

Sounds like you two have it all worked out now though. So, at least that's good.

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, October 5, 2009 5:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Sounds like you two have it all worked out now though. So, at least that's good.

Yeah, I think so. Thank you very much for your help.

You know her better than I do, so I'll respect your opinion.... This whole fiasco just conflicts with just about everything I've heard about her, so I'm at a complete loss as to why this all happened the way it did. Hopefully, it'll be over in a few days....... ((shrug))

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, October 5, 2009 6:22 PM

Glad to hear you seem to be working things out, HK. Hope it'll all be resolved soon :)

MSA

Monday, October 5, 2009 9:12 PM

Ah confusion..mediation is always helpful

YAY Zeek the great mediator

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, October 5, 2009 10:05 PM

I didn't do much really. Just got communication started. You're welcome though, HK. Glad to hear it's all being resolved.

I think you've heard correctly about her. She's always seemed like a really nice person to me.

MSA

Monday, October 5, 2009 11:13 PM

Brain is jello..plus sides are sore 'cause I did an observation in a first grade music class and all the singing banging etc made the baby bee bop about happily for nearly an hour

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:04 AM

So you were treated to the dreaded first grade music class. Just be glad I was not there. I can't sing a note or play an instrument in time with the others.

Just thinking about anxiety makes me nervous. The biggest joke I find is when I am worried about some future event, it is something else that is waiting around the bend for me. But I am still alive and kicking. We pass through trials and forge ahead. Everyone has a Kobayashi Maru. "You just dust yourself off and start all over again."
I think that is a Bing Crosby song.
I love to quote.

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SOLARFLARE

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:38 PM

Zeek: Well done! We can now place you in charge of "public relations."

MSA: Got a chuckle out of the phrase "baby bee bop."

FLT: Had an issue with an anxiety flare-up yesterday at work. Was able to get away from my desk and take a 10 minute walk. It really helped.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:41 PM

Solar: *hugs* sorry :( glad you were able to cool off, though. I think it should be mandatory that if you start feeling uber stressed at work you should be allowed a 30 minute break to collect yourself.

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA: I did an observation in a first grade music class and all the singing banging etc made the baby bee bop about happily for nearly an hour

Sorry your sides are hurting as a result of his unbridled enthusiasm, MsA. It sounds like the kid is gonna be a fan of dancing, or of music in general. or both :P lol

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:19 PM

*Zeek sleepy*

Got up all early to go to the doctor's. Power went out 15 minutes before appointment. Flashlight needs new batteries. Combed hair by candle light. Not great. Got to hospital. Machines down from power outage. Got to wait until the power came back on. Heart is "beautiful" apparently. Got to work. Servers down from power outage. Gonna be a long day.

MSA

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:26 PM

HUGS Zeek and his beautiful heart

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
*Zeek sleepy*

Got up all early to go to the doctor's. Power went out 15 minutes before appointment. Flashlight needs new batteries. Combed hair by candle light. Not great. Got to hospital. Machines down from power outage. Got to wait until the power came back on. Heart is "beautiful" apparently. Got to work. Servers down from power outage. Gonna be a long day.

Jeez, that's a lot of power outages in many consecutive places O_O glad heart is beautiful :)

I vote work to be canceled in light of power outage. *hugs Zeek*

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:41 PM

Well it's probably all in like a 5 mile radius. So, not too crazy for the power outage to hit all of them. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing that I can see my office building from my apartment.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:47 PM

I wondered if it might be a 'city-grid' thing, but I don't know much about how city electricity workings are structured :P, or how close your place of work and the hospital were to your place. (I didn't want to do that horrible thing and 'assume'. --I'm used to living in a town. power outages are very localized)

Re: view of work from home: Well, if you don't like your job, I can see it being bothersome, being able to see your work from your home. If you like your job, then the opposite.
Or, from a transportation/traffic perspective, at least you're somewhat close :) Long commutes can be annoying, and tiresome.

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
Re: view of work from home: Well, if you don't like your job, I can see it being bothersome, being able to see your work from your home. If you like your job, then the opposite.
Or, from a transportation/traffic perspective, at least you're somewhat close :) Long commutes can be annoying, and tiresome.

I don't like work cause it's work. I'm like Peter from office space. If I could, I'd do nothing.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:09 PM

lol, can't really disagree on that sentiment ;)

Ponder on words: I'm reading Jane Eyre for Lit., and this question always seems to come up when I read certain books. How do words evolve from one form to another? I mean, how does "for ever" turn into "forever"; or "to-night" into "tonight"; "whatever" into "whatsoever" (if I'm right in the latter being the actual progression of the word) and so on? I would expect common spoken language would have to play a part (maybe, I could be wrong), but usually conversational English doesn't heavily affect the way things are established as far as I can tell (otherwise run-ons and fragments would be grammatically correct in written English, least that's my view). At what point does a colloquial change become a 'correct' word, since not all coined words end up in the dictionary? Why were certain words (like the ones above) separate to begin with if people speak and perceive them as a single word?
Thoughts? References? Links? whatever?

RUGBUG

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:11 PM

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Heart is "beautiful" apparently.

Yeah for beautiful hearts.

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Originally posted by Zeek:

Got to work. Servers down from power outage. Gonna be a long day.

I vote you go home. Whenever we have sustained power outtages here...we get to go home.

The only problem with visible workplace is that you can get caught easier when playing hookie. :D I live about two miles from work ON the street A LOT of people travel to get to work. I used to park in the driveway. This all adds up to calling in sick only when you're really sick and not because you want to sleep in and then go play with the horses. :D

I now park in the garage.

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MSA

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:59 PM

LOL Rugbug...sleep and go play with the horses ( which is usually my mom's excuse for playing hookey from work too)

I work from home some days mainly because my commute is over 120 miles a day. Which is a pain.

I love Jane Eyre:)Such an archetypal set of characters and yet nuance and detail really makes them absolute. One of the better gothic fiction pieces:)( Though I do love the tongue in cheek sassiness of Northanger Abbey)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

SOLARFLARE

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 5:10 PM

120 mile commutes! That is just awful. Sorry you have so far to go.

I loved Jane Eyre too. Great book. Haven't opened it for years. I'll have to get it back out.

Regarding words: Language evolves. When enough people start using a word (or set of words) a certain way, it becomes accepted. Of course, it only becomes accepted if the empowered socio-economic class is included in the group of people using the word. Otherwise, it's called "slang."

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by solarflare:
Regarding words: Language evolves. When enough people start using a word (or set of words) a certain way, it becomes accepted. Of course, it only becomes accepted if the empowered socio-economic class is included in the group of people using the word. Otherwise, it's called "slang."

As a kid I always imagined there was some king sitting on a throne somewhere who came up with words and spelling at a whim. Mainly because they aren't logical. So, I just figured it had to be some big wig playing a big practical joke on the rest of us. Darn big wigs!

GORRAMGROUPIE

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:38 PM

I wish power would go out here, I need more of a nap, too many long days and short nights. Yeah, so I work from home, and if I have no power, so no work, but no fault. I'm too honest to call in and lie about it though....

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:54 PM

I would never be able to work from home. I find that when surrounded by several more appealing venues, I get easily distracted from what I'm *supposed* to be doing :P

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Originally posted by MsA: I love Jane Eyre:)Such an archetypal set of characters and yet nuance and detail really makes them absolute. One of the better gothic fiction pieces:)( Though I do love the tongue in cheek sassiness of Northanger Abbey)

It's proving to be one of the more enjoyable books I've been assigned this semester. It's weird, I can't stand any of the books in my Modern Novel class (early 20th century), but I tend to gravitate towards 18/19th century writing. It's either 1600's-1900, or 1960/70-present, almost everything between 1900 and 1960/70ish (I'll have to recheck the dates on some of my books to be sure) I just can't stand.

I'll have to take a look at Northanger Abbey

RUGBUG

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:13 PM

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Originally posted by freelancertex:
I would never be able to work from home. I find that when surrounded by several more appealing venues, I get easily distracted from what I'm *supposed* to be doing :P

I could only work from home if it was a salaried situation. If it was hourly, I'd have a hard time doing what I was suppose to do for X amount of hours a day (I kind of face that AT work, too). Salaried would be awesome. I can get A LOT done in a short amount of time and then I'd get to use the excess time for other pursuits.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:53 PM

HUGS Rugbug.. I see you've been watching me... as long as you're not on camera it's yay because you can push yourself and accomplish a lot then doodle around for the rest of the day

and yes my commute sucks. It's about 600+ miles per week and while pregnant it mega sucks... but hey maternity leave in 3 days:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:06 PM

So, at my company they try to be all "equal" and give Dad's maternity leave too. Which immediately makes me want to abuse the heck out of that and get a bunch of women pregnant at like 4 week intervals or whatever. Sure the child support would be a pain but heck at 100% maternity leave I could work a ton of jobs at once! Send me those paychecks

RUGBUG

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:22 PM

Zeek, hon...they call it Paternity leave. *

My friend's hubby got paternity leave. It rocked because she could get sometime to herself to recoup while hubby bonded with the baby. She definitely seemed more refreshed after giving birth than the women whose husband's didn't have that option.

Oh...and a lot of fathers can take leave by way of FMLA, it's just whether they have access to paid leave that's the issue.

*BTW: I do not like that winky face. It is not nearly happy enough or mischevious enough to be winking. It's like a robot wink. Blargh!

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:18 PM

I am profoundly grateful that Joe will be home while I'm on maternity leave. One more pair of hands to diaper, hold, walk, and take care of baby. My brother in law couldn't take time and my poor sisters only got showers or a few minutes to themselves if I went over to help...

Damn!! Sorry MSA here... didn't check the log in

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TRAVELER

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:22 AM

Lost phone service at home for two days last week. I have DSL and could not get on the internet. Felt like I was on an island all by myself.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:50 PM

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Lost phone service at home for two days last week. I have DSL and could not get on the internet. Felt like I was on an island all by myself.

At least you could watch TV. When I'm home and the power goes out I'm like a lost child. What is there to do without power? Especially if it's night and there isn't even light to read by.

Still no internets is pretty bad. I'd go stir crazy after two days.

MSA

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:56 PM

LOL we need to get you guys some good books:)

Also some candles and flashlights:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:03 PM

Books? Who reads books anymore? That's like watching a black and white or heck a silent movie. Get with the times! :-P

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:19 PM

Blasphemer!!!!! Books are the awesomeness of life!!!

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by freelancertex:
Blasphemer!!!!! Books are the awesomeness of life!!!

They have them in moving picture form these days. You should check them out.

Seriously I hardly ever read these days. Condense to 2 hours and slap some hot chicks on the movie poster and I'm there. Otherwise just too much of a waste.

RUGBUG

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:07 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

Still no internets is pretty bad. I'd go stir crazy after two days.

I'd actually get some sleep if there was no internets. I try very hard to not turn my computer on weekdays when I get home because if I do...I'll be up until 12 or 1 or so. This is not good for Rugbug's sleeping patterns...nor is it good for her co-workers who don't like to be snapped at. The ones that don't mind being snapped at have no problem with the lack of sleep.

Books: good sometimes. Others not so much. I guess it depends on the books. After reading a bunch of books in a row, I'm taking a break. I have a bi-polar reading disorder: I read book after book for a while and then won't touch another book for months.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:53 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
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Originally posted by Zeek:

Still no internets is pretty bad. I'd go stir crazy after two days.

I'd actually get some sleep if there was no internets. I try very hard to not turn my computer on weekdays when I get home because if I do...I'll be up until 12 or 1 or so. This is not good for Rugbug's sleeping patterns...nor is it good for her co-workers who don't like to be snapped at. The ones that don't mind being snapped at have no problem with the lack of sleep.

Books: good sometimes. Others not so much. I guess it depends on the books. After reading a bunch of books in a row, I'm taking a break. I have a bi-polar reading disorder: I read book after book for a while and then won't touch another book for months.

I'd watch waaaaaay too much TV if I didn't turn on my computer at night.

At least you're right half the time about books.

MSA

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:59 PM

OK we will develop brain books where we can beam the book directly into your brain ( whereupon I will beam all the Harry Potter books in there)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:10 PM

LOL

I do read. But I like to connect with people. Not being able to get on this forum really made me a gloomy gus.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
OK we will develop brain books where we can beam the book directly into your brain ( whereupon I will beam all the Harry Potter books in there)

Fine fine. Then I'll have every right to call them lame. :-P

MSA

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:07 PM

Ah but once we've tinkered around in there... er um did I say tinker... I meant beam..
Anyway trust me you'll love them

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:12 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Ah but once we've tinkered around in there... er um did I say tinker... I meant beam..
Anyway trust me you'll love them

I will not. I choose to remain stubborn. Nice try though.

TRAVELER

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:13 PM

Just not the Harry Potter books. Anything but the Harry Potter books.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

MSA

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:21 PM

You people have no soul....

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:24 PM

If I had a soul I would be in serious trouble. I know where it would finally end up and I hate heat.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:29 PM

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Originally posted by traveler:
If I had a soul I would be in serious trouble. I know where it would finally end up and I hate heat.

But you don't have to shovel sunshine.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:36 AM

pssh, movies are rarely as good as books (barring a few exceptions. I do not deny liking movies)

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Originally posted by MsA: OK we will develop brain books where we can beam the book directly into your brain

You know, the author Dan Simmons thought of that, interestingly enough. In his duology Ilium and Olympos all humans had a weird sort of DNA based nano technology that allowed them to immediately scan any book into their brains. Thus, no one knows how to read, but they can still absorb all the contents of any book.

TRAVELER

Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:46 AM

But not Harry Potter.

I'm joking. I actually have read a few of the Harry Potter books.

Typical day of traveler on the net. Then it goes down.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:56 PM

*almost spits coffee all over screen* She almost reminds me of a female Fred *I can't stand Fred @_@*

As my friend would put it: this is why normal people shouldn't have twitter. ><;;

ZEEK

Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:21 PM

*Zeek bored*

We need a ponder but I got nothing. Bah!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:47 PM

Fantasy lifestyle.

My buddy John says he wants to be a civilian military contractor in country by night, tattoo artist by day. He's already halfway there.

I already kinda live mine. Just wish there were a way I could make moderate amounts of money while doing things I like.

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ZEEK

Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:09 PM

Crazy rich so money is no longer an issue. Use free time to go to veterinary school and go volunteer with an organization like Emancipet. They provide free spay and neutering for pets to people who can't afford the operation. Keeps the pet population down and has helped Austin reduce the number of animals they euthanize each year. Granted I'd be very part time cause I'd be sleeping til noon every day and being super lazy most of the time. Still once in a while I'd probably need a good reason to get out of the house.

RUGBUG

Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:33 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Crazy rich so money is no longer an issue. Use free time to go to veterinary school and go volunteer with an organization like Emancipet. They provide free spay and neutering for pets to people who can't afford the operation. Keeps the pet population down and has helped Austin reduce the number of animals they euthanize each year. Granted I'd be very part time cause I'd be sleeping til noon every day and being super lazy most of the time. Still once in a while I'd probably need a good reason to get out of the house.

Ah...who knew you were such a softie. ;) Got to Vet school...there's incentives for men, especially those interested in small animal practices.

Dream for me: well, it couldn't be mre predictable, but uber-rich so that I could afford horses/showing the way I'd like, but also still be able to give a LARGE amount of $$ to charities so I didn't feel so bad about using a ton of money on such a selfish pursuit. Don't know what that balance would have to be, but 50/50 or close.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Ah...who knew you were such a softie. ;) Got to Vet school...there's incentives for men, especially those interested in small animal practices.

Nah I couldn't be a regular Vet. I'd never be able to handle it if someone couldn't afford something the pet needed. I'd always cave and do it for free.

I probably wouldn't be a good vet overall cause if someone was neglecting their pet I'd probably flip out and beat the heck out of them. I've always been an animal lover. Something about them being innocent is so much cooler to me than people who can choose to be jerks.

MSA

Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:15 PM

Hmm well I am so utterly thrilled with my life at this point there's no real fantasy to have

But it would be nice to be able to run a school the way I want it run.... so maybe that:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Hmm well I am so utterly thrilled with my life at this point there's no real fantasy to have

But it would be nice to be able to run a school the way I want it run.... so maybe that:)

Are you running for political office or something? Sounds way too PC and not reality. Come on you don't want to take an expensive vacation? You don't want a shorter commute to work? You don't want an endless supply of skittles?

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:07 PM

Nuthin' wrong with focusing on the positive, Zeek :)

here's a random ponder: anyone have any salad solutions for a picky eater? The Other Half hates olives (all kinds of greek olives, as well as regular old black olives), hates cucumbers, and only really likes *steamed* carrots, as opposed to the raw bits of carrot you can just skin, rinse, and put in salad. I still put raw carrots in salad, but basically all I have to work with is lettuce/spinach, red cabbage, carrot, and feta cheese. I like having craisins (and cucumbers, and olives) in my salad, but I add those after for myself.
What else can I add, then, to make it not so flimsy as four ingredients? Any ideas?

GORRAMGROUPIE

Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:11 PM

Radishes, so he sees the error of his ways. I can think of all kinds of stuff (eggs, cheese, croutons, bacon, etc) but they are all unhealthy, so they kinda negate the health benefits of the salad.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

ZEEK

Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:18 PM

Mushrooms! How can you have a salad without mushrooms?

Maybe snow peas. You can always try something a little different like water chestnuts.

MSA

Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:17 PM

Sorry dude...just really happy( well ok right this minute I'm sad 'cause NV ended up having to leave a day early for his hunting trip and I didn't get to kiss him goodbye, but generally so happy)
Honestly if I could have a whole school run just my way...oh yay yay that would be so great.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:35 AM

I like a little onion in my salad.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

TRAVELER

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:37 AM

Hello FreeLancerTex:

I needed a little humor and thought I would share. Glade you enjoyed it.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:57 AM

lol thanks for sharing XD

MSA

Friday, October 9, 2009 2:30 PM

Morning all...

I now resent my dogs... I got maybe 2 hours sleep last night and am about to get ready to head to work and there they are happily curled up with their pillows planning to sleep the day away

Ponder anyone else give in to occasional irrational resentment?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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