This May Have Been Posted Here, But I'm Foaming at the Mouth Reading This

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 29, 2007 12:22 PM

A young man's life ruined.

Several questions before you read the article you need to ask yourself.

1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law?

2) If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!?

3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.)

4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime".

Who the F*** does this mother F***ING judge think he is?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19468666/

This boy's life is ruined. He was unable to finish high school with his peers, and will likely have a "sexual offence" on his record which will lump him in with child molesters in general and it will effect his ability to get a good job and, if not directly it will indirectly effect his personal life, given his immediate "handicap" and "dark history" going into any relationship. He was probably an otherwise normal kid who, since "graduating" from juvie, has spent the last 28 months in prison, not jail, PRISON! All because some holier-than-thou judge has passed a brutal judgement upon and has repeatedly denied bail for the kid. In that bastards own words "Wilson's conviction for one of the so-called 7 deadly sins makes him ineligable for bail."

F*** YOU Judge! Where is there justice in this country. I look very hard for it every day, yet it illudes me.

Is there anything we can do for this kid? There's got to be something that can be done. According to the article, a prominent New York City investment manager Whitney Tilson and 10 others volunteered to provide $1 million bail money for Wilson.

If they can't do it, I don't know what the hell to do, but I just recently lived those years of my life and I have to say that so far, my 17th to my 23rd year of my life were the best I've ever had and I just couldn't imagine pissing it all away in a prison with rapists because I had sex with my girlfriend on New Years Eve. I'm sick to my stomach for this kid right now.

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KANEMAN

Friday, June 29, 2007 1:55 PM

That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:20 PM

And yet it's a probation offense for Rethuglicans to go around humping the interns, ironic, eh ?

Notice how the ACLU is all so fired up hot to defend sleaze like Patrick Naughton, but in this kids case they're all hands-off - and ppl wonder why I hate em so.

Stuff like this is why I also do not work with fanatics, when it comes to it, they overreact with this kind of idiocy.

I'll get on the pipeline later today, if it can be done, it will be done - I don't give this case a week before we blow it to powder tho, honestly.

The problem is how many cases like this do not get enough notice for someone able to un-fubar things to DO something about it.. recently we had one guy get lit up on these kinda charges for naught more than taking a leak behind his house while waiting for a locksmith after lockin his keys in the car by accident.

Common sense just ain't all that common when it comes to the judges bench, is it now ?

We need to get our damn priorities straight.
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-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:23 PM

Minors cannot legally consent to anything.

The statutory rape laws in America were designed with that important basis as their cornerstone.

Now as far as this particular kid.... 10 years is absolutely ridiclous. If I were the judge I'd sentence him to no jail, just maybe 100 hrs. of community service helping kids with cancer or something.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:40 PM

Frem man....

I don't know who you are, or what people you know, but you've never seemed to me to be the type to bullshit about anything. If there is anything at all that you can do for this kid I'll be very greatful to you and happier than a pig in shit that I brought this story here for you to see.

In any event, thanks for taking any of your time out of your day and trying to help this kid. Anything I can do to help?

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:41 PM

This is EXACTLY what's wrong with this country!!!! NOBODY can just say "I was wrong."
Especially courts and judges.
"I was wrong to bring this to trial." You'll NEVER hear those words from a prosecutor, they have to go balls out on everything to preserve their financial asses.
Nothing makes sense when it's all about money- fines, fees, judgements.
Truth is killed so that the system can keep going. The system IS the truth now.

Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:51 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Minors cannot legally consent to anything.

The statutory rape laws in America were designed with that important basis as their cornerstone.

Okay. This may very well be true, according to law in America, but is it a wonder that we've got millions of man-children roaming the plains of America? Why is 18 the magical age somebody is granted the ability to think for themselves and deal with the consequences of thier actions?

Bottom line, I don't agree with that at all. Not the fact that what you're saying is the law isn't true, but that I don't agree with the law itself, particularly when you're talking about two minors having sex. I'm not using the "legal" definition of conscent here. I'm using the English definition of conscent meaning two kids wanted to blow each other, neither was an adult taking advantage of the other, and they weren't doing anything else that at least a million other kids their age didn't do that year. Big f-ing deal, I say.

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Now as far as this particular kid.... 10 years is absolutely ridiclous. If I were the judge I'd sentence him to no jail, just maybe 100 hrs. of community service helping kids with cancer or something.

Funny... I said pretty much the exact same thing to my brother today. As my Hunter Thompson quote says above, "the only final sin is stupidity". So the kid didn't think and took a video of it. If that video didn't exist, this kid would be living a normal life now. I'm glad we agree that this self-righteous ass of a judge had no business ruining this kids life for something he may very well have done himself at that age.

Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. He must have been too busy watching football when they had the sermon on that chapter of the Bible...

Four years wasted.... over nothing. I hope somebody can get that kid out before he's my age and lost the best years of his life completley.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:52 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Truth is killed so that the system can keep going. The system IS the truth now.

Does 2+2=5 yet Chris?

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STARRBABY

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:55 PM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?

My highchool days were about 10 years ago, so they are pretty fresh in my mind. I dated a 17/18 year old when I was 15/16 years old. We had a pretty chaste relationship, and I look back on our fun times fondly.

Had we decided to become physical with our relationship, It makes me ill to think that the poor guy would *still* be behind bars had my father pressed charges. Here I'd be, an adult with a college degree, a husband, a few kids . . . and he'd have no life, and he'd just now be getting out of prison.

Statatory (sp?) rape laws are not meant for these types of situations. They are meant to protect naieve kids for not-so-naieve adults. I hardly feel that the 18 year old was preying on the 15 year old.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 29, 2007 2:56 PM

Yeah there is, Six - get on the horn yourself to your local politicos with a healthy dose of "WTF is up with THIS shit ? am I gonna hafta worry about my kid winding up a sex offender on prom night ? what the hell is WRONG with you folks... yadda yadda"

Lay it on good and thick too, go for the cringe factor, cause you want em worried about how their community would react to such idiocy, and make it unmistakeable that said reaction would be bad.

Then pass it to the local newsies, if possible put the arm on one who has kids of this age themselves and push em to slip it in as their human-interest piece of the day.

Politicos HATE the spotlight coming down on them, and this'll fix it for the time being - but if you wanna more lasting solution you find out who appointed that judge and ensure THEY get an earfull too.

All that's the aboveboard stuff, of course, but it makes a difference, cause public pressure of a couple folks ain't much, but multiply it a bit, and it's like a tree root under a sidewalk, in the end the sidewalk ALWAYS loses, even though it's made of concrete.

Think on that one a while - just get enough thumbs on the bastards that they start to sweat it, and sweat it good.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Does 2+2=5 yet Chris?

Always has; look at OJ.

Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, June 29, 2007 3:24 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yeah there is, Six - get on the horn yourself to your local politicos with a healthy dose of "WTF is up with THIS shit ? am I gonna hafta worry about my kid winding up a sex offender on prom night ? what the hell is WRONG with you folks... yadda yadda"

Lay it on good and thick too, go for the cringe factor, cause you want em worried about how their community would react to such idiocy, and make it unmistakeable that said reaction would be bad.

Then pass it to the local newsies, if possible put the arm on one who has kids of this age themselves and push em to slip it in as their human-interest piece of the day.

Politicos HATE the spotlight coming down on them, and this'll fix it for the time being - but if you wanna more lasting solution you find out who appointed that judge and ensure THEY get an earfull too.

All that's the aboveboard stuff, of course, but it makes a difference, cause public pressure of a couple folks ain't much, but multiply it a bit, and it's like a tree root under a sidewalk, in the end the sidewalk ALWAYS loses, even though it's made of concrete.

Think on that one a while - just get enough thumbs on the bastards that they start to sweat it, and sweat it good.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

If only the system worked that way, I would guess that is how it was intended to work...

Would you be surprised if that judge was appointed by folks who received their funding by groups from the religious right ?

And if the cash flow put him there, it'll keep him there despite any public statements to the contrary. The Politicos are cash eating beasts.

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, June 29, 2007 4:27 PM

I've known about this for a couple of years. I caught it on the news the first time around because there was a big stink that his future was being ruined...apparently he had a football scholarship lined up.

There is one tidbit you've let out of the equation: it was video taped. That brings it into a different field. Now you have a 15 year-old girl on video performing sex acts. Yes, it was still two kids, but that bit is what got him.

Do I agree? Yes and no. I think there should have been something done. I don't think it should have been anywhere near 10 years. Someone mentioned service hours? Maybe.

Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

Agreeing there. Still, why isn't SHE in jail too????
It wouldn't hurt her porn career....

Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Friday, June 29, 2007 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

Agreeing there. Still, why isn't SHE in jail too????
It wouldn't hurt her porn career....

Chrisisall

Because she is a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for her actions.

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:

Because she is a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for her actions.

I don't follow...wasn't HE a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for his actions?

Puzzled Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Friday, June 29, 2007 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Fletch2:

Because she is a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for her actions.
I don't follow...wasn't HE a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for his actions?

Puzzled Chrisisall

Actually I modify my answer. Age of consent in Georgia is 16. Since she was 15 and he was 17, he having sex with her was illegal because she was under 16, her having sex with him WAS legal because he was over 16.

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
her having sex with him WAS legal because he was over 16.

!?

More puzzled Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Friday, June 29, 2007 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
her having sex with him WAS legal because he was over 16.

!?

More puzzled Chrisisall

It's a basic tennant of the law that no agreement made by contract over rules that prescribed by statute. For example, if I am terminally ill, I cannot consent to a doctor to end my life. In fact no waiver or document I sign can legally give him permission to kill me because our agreement (contract) cannot over ride the statue that says that one person willfully killing another is murder.

In this case the statute says that persons under the age of 16 cannot give their consent and that sex with a person under 16 is illegal. So when he has sex with her he is breaking the law. Now when she has sex with him, she is having sex with a 17 year old, and that is NOT illegal. So in this case one of them is breaking the law and the other isn't, even though they both consent and even though we are talking about the same act.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 29, 2007 7:36 PM

The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.

Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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Always look upstream.

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 29, 2007 8:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white.

I missed that.
Damn.
That DOES have an effect on the landscape.
Now I truly understand the sit.

Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Friday, June 29, 2007 9:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.

Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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Always look upstream.

What does that have to do with anything?

SUNLITLAZ

Friday, June 29, 2007 9:58 PM

Why did you have to play the race card?

"This IS Georgia after all" So now you are branding the whole state, and its residents as racists?

I for one think 10 years is insane, but let's not overlook the fact that this actually played out within the law. It may be harsh, and I/we may not agree, but he still broke the law.

It may have been consentual, or it may have been that he did indeed take advantage of a minor. None of us really know, all of this outrage is from a news article as far as I can tell. None of us were there in the courtroom and heard the evidence that was put on the table. As posted earlier, the age of consent is 16, not 18, so she was a minor and he was not.

There is an element of self responsibility here. If you boil it down to it's most basic element and cause, you see that if he hadn't had relations with, and videotaped a minor, he wouldn't be in prison. He made that decision to go down that road, noone forced him.

Before you get the industrial strength flamethrowers out, let me re-iterate that I think the sentance is insane, I just wanted to point out that it's not simply some judge with an agenda. This kid willingly did something that *could* have gotten him in trouble, and it in fact did. He just happened to get a judge that wanted to (in my humble opinion) make an example out of him.

Fire away ...

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DEEPGIRL187

Friday, June 29, 2007 10:35 PM

I've heard about this case before, and yes, it makes me sick too.

I thought I should probably point out here that the prosecutor in question was black. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that race wasn't an issue in the case. Speaking as a black person, I know that it is more than possible to act in a racist manner towards our own people. But I'll also say that it's unfair to generalize all of Georgia because of it's past. Hell, I live in Michigan, and we got plenty of racist folks here.

I think, perhaps more than race, the issue in this case is power. The prosecutor in question is afraid of losing face, and as a result, a young man is suffering the consequences.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 29, 2007 11:36 PM

Re: recording it.

That just makes him stupid and tasteless, neither of which are, or should be, crimes.

-F

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, June 29, 2007 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Re: recording it.

That just makes him stupid and tasteless, neither of which are, or should be, crimes.

But a video depicting an underager engaged in sexual activity is illegal.

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:02 AM

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"This IS Georgia after all" So now you are branding the whole state, and its residents as racists

No, I was branding Georgia as a bunch of backwoods hicks who think that a 15-year-old virgin is OLD.

Nah. Just kidding.

But if I got this corectly there were THREE people involved, and one of them was the videographer. Whatever happend to him/her?

I think in CA there is some slack for consenting sex above a certain age if the age difference is less than 2 years. That seems more logical to me.

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Always look upstream.

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

Agreeing there. Still, why isn't SHE in jail too????
It wouldn't hurt her porn career....

Chrisisall

I'm in 100% agreement with that girl & Chris on this. Where's her glistening mug been? What kind of life could have brought a 15 year old girl to do this on film? Could it possibly be, do ya think maybe...the 42 billion porn sites that are available & accessed daily with one touch of a button?...Is that the final gift of our civilized culture to our progeny, from homo sapiens that crawled up from the trillibyte slime we began as, and fought & struggled for millenium? Good Grief!

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:11 AM

BDN, i'm well aware of that - but his mere possession of such a thing constitutes more of an idiocy than a crime, surely not one worth the sentencing.

I say this because while they're oh so busy making an example of this kid, there's a good 30,000 sites running out of a certain place in North Carolina *producing* and then SELLING such a product over the net - which are allowed to function damned near unhindered due to political contributions and the fiction that they're based overseas, which they are not.

You just think of what kind of smack in the face it is to folks who have been trying to get REAL predators behind bars it is when those guys walk on house arrest and they totally fry some kid like this.

FYI - The Governor can commute this kids sentence, so any GA browncoats who feel he's paid enough of the price are welcome to up the pressure on him if they want to.

If he ain't learned his lesson about it by now there just ain't no point TO it, is there ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:51 AM

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The Governor can commute this kids sentence, so any GA browncoats who feel he's paid enough of the price are welcome to up the pressure on him if they want to.

GA Browncoat here, and Genarlow has paid way more than he should have. What's sadly ironic here is that the laws against 'sodomy' were overturned some 10 yrs ago, but the child molestation laws were so poorly written that no distinction was made between a 15 yr old having sex w/ a 40 yr old and a 15 yr old having sex w/ a 17 yr old. Genarlow is a smart kid, academically, and was on course to get scholy offers to play football at some of the finest schools in the country. And now ? Because of some hayseed hick attitudes, his life is basically ruined. Gov. Purdue should do the right thing and pardon the kid, and let him salvage what's left of his life.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:57 AM

Thank you all for your responses and it's great to read your reactions to this kid's plight. It's nice to know that an overwhelming majority (I belive all but one) agree that this was fubared from start to finish.

Thanks for your GA insight as well AURaptor. I sure something can be done to end this madness.

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JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:09 AM

I just wanted to add that I think it's amazing we haven't seen Reverand Al, or Jesse, or even Oprah, or any of the multitude Of Hollywood bad boys & girls come to speak for this kid. I guess sin and redemption is all relative and selective. The bottom line here is that this looks to me like a conspiracy of Mississippi Burningesque qualities. I can hear the bloodhounds barking, the shotgun shells being loaded & the ropes being oiled.....Yeee Haw!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:43 PM

Very good point Jogsstraw. I must admit myself that I wasn't even aware the kid was black until somebody else mentioned it on this forum, though I had thought that may have been the case. Immediately after I read here that he was black that thought (about Jesse and Sharpton) crept into the back of my mind. I just hadn't brought it up because I didn't want to play up any race issue here.

Racism could have been a large or even a small part of the issue here, but I think it was more a morality issue and this kid was a witch this guy could easily burn and make an example of. I think if any racism was existant here it was that people just turned a blind eye to the horrid sentence and inhumane way this kid has been treated afterwards because the boy was black.

As for Jessie and Sharpton and the rest of their race-baiting, hate-monguering ilk.... I think they pick and choose whatever events and topics they can get on their soapbox about and get another month of fame for. You know... the stories that are so hard to argue against that you look like a racist for even suggesting they're wrong. There's too many angles here other than race and I don't think this would have been an easy case for them to act like the ignorant racists they are and just slide.

Just my opinion on that.

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:

I think, perhaps more than race, the issue in this case is power. The prosecutor in question is afraid of losing face, and as a result, a young man is suffering the consequences.

That was actually my first thought. And it's probably the main thrust there.

And What's with the anti-Jesse talk hereabouts?
When did HE become a bad guy? Did I miss something??

Rev. Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:51 PM

Sorry man. Coming from someone who considers themselves a complete non-racist, Jesse Jackson is the Grand Wizard of the hate-whitey group. His kid is the scariest thing I've ever seen. He could say, "I hate whitey" in such an eloquent way that at the end of his speech, he could have an auditorium of 65 to 85 year old white people giving him a standing ovation. He's so subersive.......

Admitedly, I may have been a little harsh on Sharpton. He's a genuine media whore, but that might be the extent of his antics.

That's all i'm going to say on race here. It's already far too much. I didn't want to go there. This is about the kid.

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SIRI

Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 PM

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... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]

I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.

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... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]

If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.

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... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]

Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.

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... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]

And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?

And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.

Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.

Siri

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by Siri:
Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.Siri

Thank you for that post Siri. I can't find anything to speak against it. I just wanted to point specifically that last part out. The main point is that almost every argument which is relatively harmless to families and individuals and can be solved without Government involvement, should be solved without Government intervention.

I'm not an Anarchist. I believe we need a modicum of Government, even on a Federal level. But, unless we want to admit to ourselves that we're all on show to be judged like high schoolers by the entire world...... shouldn't we keep some of this stuff in our own back yards?

Do you really want to live in a world where everybody airs out their dirty laundry for the world to see because the law says it's mandatory?
(I'm thinking not, of course... it's a rhetorical question.)

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AMITON

Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:14 PM

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... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]

I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.

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... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]

If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.

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... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]

Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.

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... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]

And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?

And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.

Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.

Siri

This is pretty close to what bothers me about the entire situation, and I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't been brought up before. This is, of course, resultant to the coverage of this case that I have been exposed to. AU may be a little more familiar with the particulars, but the outrage reaches deeper than 6string and others have shown.

The entire case has been ridiculous from the outset. It's all based on a strict interpretation of the law at the time, and nobody but the prosecutor has been happy about it. Her family believes the sentence is crazy. The jurors in the case have openly stated that they felt guilty rendering the verdict, but felt forced to the result under the instructions given to them from the DA. They have also since said that they would rather face obstruction charges than render the same judgment again. The judge issued the sentence because it was tied to the spe

MARINA

Sunday, July 1, 2007 4:01 AM

If you're interested, you can reach the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Parole by fax at (404) 651-8502 or the governor's office by mail or phone:

Office of the Governor
Georgia State Capitol
Atlanta, GA 30334

Phone: 404-656-1776

Don't make faces.

BIONICBATMAN

Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:25 AM

I drive by there every week. I could go pay old Perdue a visit myself.

But as mostly what everyone is saying: If both kids had the same thing in mind and both agreed to do it, it shouldnt be JUST the guy who gets ALL the heat. The whole thing is just wrong.

RIVER6213

Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.

Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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*Sigh*
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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:28 PM

Just gotta shake my head at the hypocrisy and double standards of the so-called "justice" system...

Prosecutor under fire in teen sex case
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer
36 minutes ago

David McDade has handed out some 35 copies of a video of teenagers having sex at a party.

McDade is no porno kingpin, but a district attorney. And he says Georgia's open-records law leaves him no choice but to release the footage because it was evidence in one of the state's most turbulent cases — that of Genarlow Wilson, a young man serving 10 years in prison for having oral sex with a girl when they were teenagers.

McDade's actions have opened him up to accusations that he is vindictively misusing his authority to keep Wilson behind bars — and worse, distributing child pornography.

"This has been a ferocious, vindictive prosecution of Genarlow Wilson," said state Sen. Vincent Fort, an Atlanta Democrat. "What is going on is a vendetta."

McDade, who is district attorney in Douglas County, in suburban Atlanta, did not immediately return calls Thursday.

He has said that while the law required him to release the video, he also believes the footage helps his case — by showing that Wilson is not the squeaky-clean football star and honor student portrayed by his supporters.

"Most of those who do not want people to see the tape know that it's damning to their position," McDade told The Associated Press.

He released the video after receiving an open records request from the AP, and said he has given it to about three dozen people, including reporters, lawmakers and several members of the public who requested it.

It shows Wilson, then 17, receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl and having intercourse with another 17-year-old girl. It was shot at a 2003 New Year's Eve Party at a hotel room by another partygoer.

Earlier this week, Georgia's chief federal prosecutor, U.S. Attorney David Nahmias, said the video "constitutes child pornography under federal law," and he called on McDade's office to stop releasing copies.

"These laws are intended to protect the children depicted in such images from the ongoing victimization of having their sexual activity viewed by others," Nahmias said.

Nahmias' office refused to say whether he would bring criminal charges against the D.A.

Critics say that at the very least, McDade should have obscured the faces of the underage girls to conceal their identity, or sought a protective order to keep the material under seal.

Such steps are common in sex abuses cases, especially those involving underage victims, said Diane Moyer, legal director for the Pennsylvania-based National Sexual Violence Research Center.

"The bottom line is we need to have respect for the victims in these kinds of cases," Moyer said. "To release this kind of thing, to me it's prurient and it takes the open records law too far."

Several Wilson supporters likened McDade to disgraced Duke lacrosse prosecutor Mike Nifong and called on Georgia's attorney general to investigate.

"Mike Nifong lost his license, and if he lost his license, then certainly a district attorney that distributes child pornography ought to be investigated," the Rev. Raphael Warnock, pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, said Thursday.

State Sen. Emanuel Jones said he would introduce legislation to block district attorneys from handing over photographic images in sex cases.

"I'm going to call it the David McDade Act," Jones said. "Sometimes we have to protect our kids from district attorneys."

Wilson was convicted of aggravated child molestation for having oral sex with the 15-year-old girl. He has served more than two years of a mandatory 10-year sentence.

The law Wilson was convicted of breaking made consensual oral sex between teens a felony. It has since been changed by the Georgia Legislature. But the state's courts have held that the new law cannot be applied retroactively.

A judge last month called Wilson's sentence "a grave miscarriage of justice" and ordered him set free

KANEMAN

Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:44 PM

I fucked more 15 year old girls when I was 17 years old than this guy....FFF.NET women who fucked you first? 16? 17? 18? think about it........This kid should not be in jail......and if he had to go jail ..he should have at least had a chance to bang that little ho in the ass.....

KANEMAN

Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Starrbaby:
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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?

My highchool days were about 10 years ago, so they are pretty fresh in my mind. I dated a 17/18 year old when I was 15/16 years old. We had a pretty chaste relationship, and I look back on our fun times fondly.

Had we decided to become physical with our relationship, It makes me ill to think that the poor guy would *still* be behind bars had my father pressed charges. Here I'd be, an adult with a college degree, a husband, a few kids . . . and he'd have no life, and he'd just now be getting out of prison.

Statatory (sp?) rape laws are not meant for these types of situations. They are meant to protect naieve kids for not-so-naieve adults. I hardly feel that the 18 year old was preying on the 15 year old.

Thank you.....

Love always kaneman

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 13, 2007 1:28 AM

Wonder who put the bad spotlight on the DA.....?

What a prick that guy is. What better way to prove you're trying to "protect" those that have said they didn't need your protection in the first place by giving unobscured sex-tapes featuring them away like you're a pissed off K-Fed putting up sex vids of Britney on You Tube for the world to see. What the F?

Is this Underage Georgia Girls Gone Wild? Where were the waivers that the girls should have had to sign before these tapes were distributed? (Assuming that they're now over 18 years old and parental conscent is not an issue anymore)

I'll bet if you look on the bit-torrent sites, it won't be long before you could watch this too if you wanted too, for informational and educational purposes only of course.... 'cause we all need to know what an evil little bastard this kid is so we can understand why he should rot another 6 years with the molesters and murderers and rapists....

3 dozen people, huh? I wonder who the "several members of the public" were that they mentioned. What sort of screening process do these unspecified "members of the public" need to go through before they are deemed mentally fit to have child porn distributed to their households for educational purposes? And for what reason would anybody outside of the courtroom even need to witness any of this?

How would one even go about asking for said material without even being under suspicion of interest and possible distribution in underage porn in the first place? The fucking balls on these perves....

At this point, if there were any neigh-sayers, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that the boy is just as much a victim as anybody else here.

That son of a bitch should be disbarred, sued by all parties involved in the tape, and thrown behind bars where he can spend the next ten years with child molesters and murderers. If he gets the justice he diserves, somebody will break off a mop handle and give him the Jeffery Dahmer treatment.

Thanks for keeping the light on this subject Frem. It's great to hear the support this kid has even though some people who were "on the fence" before are against him now after seeing the video. Screw them. Who are they to judge anyhow? Georga must be the most sex free state where everyone is righteous, I guess.

I hope to hear more good news about this guys professional and hopefully personal demise.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

STARRBABY

Friday, July 13, 2007 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

Thank you.....

Love always kaneman

I'm assuming that you're thanking me for helping to prove your point. You're more than welcome.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 20, 2007 1:12 PM

Case Update: Hearing supposedly today, rumor is that the prosecutor is gonna push for a postponement, mostly as a vengeful act to keep Wilson in jail longer, and also in the hopes of the "fickle media" finding something else to talk about, thus lessening the pressure on certain folk over this case - which just *ain't* gonna happen, folks, cause there's a boot planted FIRMLY in his ass, the Judge is gonna more than likely refuse postponement and may even go with summary judgement on the facts and merits of the case, taking into consideration that the law itself that the kid was prosecuted under was badly written and poorly executed to begin with, ergo, chances are 70/30 that Wilson walks today.

Best of luck, Kid...

Related article follows, written in a laughably fawning and apologetic tone..
"Oh, we're so sorry we lynched him, but teens are evil and stupid and kinda deserve it because they behave like capitol hill republicans and we gotta send a message this is unacceptable for the peons..
*snark*

Anyhows, Justice isn't a passive thing, sometimes folk gotta see it done, and sometimes folk gotta push the boulder even if they didn't start it rolling, and without namin any names, a LOT of folk have done good solid work here for no personal or financial gain of their own.
So a big thanks to those many unnamed folk, and a big piss off to a certain author who thinks altruism is societies greatest evil, Grrrr.

-Frem
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Story URL
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0720/p02s01-usju.htm

Georgia's high court hears a case Friday concerning merits of a 10-year sentence for a sordid but unforced act.

By Patrik Jonsson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Even after a judge last month deemed Genarlow Wilson's 10-year prison sentence "a grave miscarriage of justice," the state of Georgia has kept him locked up.

Twenty-eight months ago, a Douglas County, Ga., jury found the former star athlete and high school scholar guilty of aggravated child molestation for having oral sex, as a 17-year-old, with his girlfriend, then 15, at a videotaped hotel-room party on New Year's Eve in 2004.

On Friday, the Georgia Supreme Court will hear an appeal by the state attorney general, who seeks to uphold the sentence.

The case, experts say, confronts the legacy of race-conscious justice in the South, as well as how attitudes toward teenage sexuality are evolving, or not, in the Bible Belt.

The court's ruling, if it favors Mr. Wilson, could even impel 1,300 other men serving long jail terms in Georgia for similar offenses to appeal their sentences.

"Those critical [of the prosecution] see it in terms of broader social ramifications and changing norms, but to [the district attorney] it's more about what happened in the hotel room," says Ron Carlson, a law professor at the University of Georgia in Athens (UGA).

Wilson's case has stirred enough of a ruckus to spark legislative reform at the statehouse. Earlier this year, Georgia lawmakers tempered tough state molestation laws by passing a "Romeo and Juliet" provision that takes into account similar ages of perpetrator and victim.

To keep the case moving forward and preserve the state's reputation, the Supreme Court moved Wilson's court date up by two months. The court is scheduled to address the merits of the so-called habeas corpus ruling in June that deemed the punishment unjust. Also at issue in the appeal: the subsequent denial of a bond hearing in Douglas County, where Wilson was originally tried.

Such actions by two branches of government indicate that prosecutors may have overreached their bounds in the case, says Donald Wilkes Jr., also of the UGA Law School.

The moves "tell us they're concerned," and that the sooner justices address it "the less Georgia will appear to be the medieval laughingstock to the rest of the country, and indeed the world," says Professor Wilkes.

How many blacks view the case

For many African-Americans in the US, the case represents a form of arcane justice in

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:45 AM

Further Update: Case is heard, no decision yet.

The State's case is utterly asinine (see underlined, below) in that the whole concept seems to be that, yes, we know the law was wrongly applied, and that he was wrongly imprisoned, but we can't *admit* that for it would make us look stupid because we misused it on other people too, you just didn't catch us then.

The Judge knew it was wrong, admitted it, the guy who *wrote* the law (see italics, below) knew it was wrong, the Jury knew it was wrong, but thanks to the distortion of the Jury's role in our "justice" system to no more than a rubber stamp for the court, felt powerless to act as they damned well should have.

This case is a CLASSIC example of why Jury Nullification exists, and why manipulating and misinforming a Jury should be in and of itself a crime.
http://www.fija.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
If YOU should ever find yourself on a Jury, remember this debacle and be reminded that your purpose isn't just to determine whether someone is guilty, but whether the law itself is wrong, being misapplied, or should even BE a law.

The state and it's cronies seem intent on stalling "till it blows over" and hoping that the pressure comes off if they do - make sure it doesn't folks.

-Frem
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URL - http://www.ajc.com/wireless/content/metro/stories/2007/07/20/wilson_07
21_web.html

Ga. top court finishes hearing Wilson's appeal

By MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 07/20/07

The Georgia Supreme Court heard arguments Friday morning on a pair of appeals in the closely watched Genarlow Wilson case, though no ruling was expected immediately.

The courtroom was packed for the hearing, and arguments were broadcast live over the Internet. The hearing came after justices decided earlier this month to speed up the process in the case of Wilson, the Douglas County man imprisoned for receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl when he was 17. Wilson's attorneys argue his 10-year prison sentence is cruel and unusual punishment.

The justices are considering two appeals in the case.

Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker is appealing a Monroe County Superior Court judge's decision to reduce Wilson's felony conviction to a misdemeanor and free him from prison. Baker said the judge overstepped his authority when he granted Wilson's motion last month.

Following the Monroe County judge's decision, Wilson's attorneys requested he be released on bond pending Baker's appeal, but on June 27, the trial court in Douglas County denied the request. Wilson's attorneys have appealed that decision.

B.J. Bernstein, Wilson's attorney, addressed the bond issue first at Friday's hearing, arguing for 10 minutes that her client should be granted bond while his case is under appeal.

"Every day that a defendant spends in jail is a precious day in their life," Bernstein told the justices. Bernstein said that in the past 10 days, "two clients of mine died in prison."

Bernstein argued that the trial court, in refusing bond, improperly applied the criminal appeal bond statute when it should have applied the habeas bond statute, since the Monroe County judge had ruled on a writ of habeas corpus, determining that Wilson had the right to make a claim of cruel and unusual punishment.

However, Douglas County District Attorney David McDade, the original prosecutor on Wilson's case, countered in his time before the justices that state law is clear that "no appeal bond shall be granted to any person who is convicted of a list of crimes, and aggravated child molestation is included in that list."

"It's not vague. It's not gray. It's not subject to interpretation," McDade said. "It is the plain letter of the law that applies in this case."

In its appeal of the reduction of the felony conviction to a misdemeanor, the state has argued that the ruling could open the door for many other sexual criminals to have their sentences reduced.

Wilson's attorneys argued that such fears are invali

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:03 PM

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State GOP lawmaker Eric Johnson of Savannah, leader of the Georgia Senate, says he went from having no opinion on the case to a strong opinion in favor of the sentence after seeing the tape. The nature of consent – complicated by the age of the girl and obvious drug and alcohol use – is the core issue, he says.

"When you hear that it's 10 years for consensual oral sex for two kids, you go, 'That doesn't sound right,'" says Senator Johnson. "But when you see the tape, you see ... drugs, alcohol, attitudes, arrogance, and disregard. While it may be consensual, you don't know about intimidation or if she feels obligated. That's why you set an age in the first place where you can make a decision like that."

drugs, alcohol, attitudes, arrogance, and disregard. With or with out drugs and alcohol, much of what teens do and say is full of what the Senator sees. Those things aren't crimes!! As shocking as it may be to HIM, that's pretty much what one can expect from teens and often pre-teens in today's world. Not EVERYWHERE, but it's fairly common.

And why even bring up the issue of intimidation , if you don't know either ?? It's a moot point,imo. How often have teens been caught up in a moment, only to figure out afterwards they might have screwed up? That's kinda the point of being a teen, figure out what in life one likes and dislikes. When it comes to attitudes, arrogance and disregard, I'd hate for my adult self to be judged on what my teen age self did. And I doubt I'm alone in saying that my adult self would like to smack my teen age self around if anyone had taken a video of some of the things that went on. I'm just sayin'.

Free Genarlow!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:20 PM

The governor should have pardoned this case. The Supreme Court is likely to side with the lower court and release Wilson, which while good for him, could lead to releasing actual rotten people.

Knee jerk reactions about racism aside, the real issue here probably concerns some fairly debasing behavior seen in the video. And children are easily intimidated into doing things they would otherwise not. I don’t know what’s on the tape, but I don’t doubt that if people saw it, it's entirely possible that sympathy for Wilson would erode quickly, especially if you were a father of a teenage daughter.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:45 PM

Quote:
And I doubt I'm alone in saying that my adult self would like to smack my teen age self around if anyone had taken a video of some of the things that went on. I'm just sayin'.

Nope, not alone in that at all.

Cute little irony tho, is getting the chance to do it - one of my associates is mentally, damned near a clone of me, only 15 years younger, and I *DID* smack him upside the head for doing some of the exact same stupid shit I did.

Very satisfying.
"Why you smackin me for stuff YOU did?"
"I was smackin both of us, that's YOUR half."

Thought you'd get a snicker out of that.

-F
PS.

"State GOP lawmaker Eric Johnson of Savannah" slamming someone else for "attitudes, arrogance and disregard" ?

Hilarious Hypocrisy, and no, not partisan snark, for ANY politician to slam on a teenager for such things is so pathetic, it's funny.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:59 PM

Also: Further Note, The Tape.

Shoulda been restricted, no-copy courtroom evidence only, what's on that is between the parties involved and the court that decided the case.

None of ANY damn body elses business, none.

And, on conclusion of the case, should have been purged and destroyed.

But since yon prosecutor was so free in passing it out, as Six pointed out, it's likely to get wilded, and how would you like to be the girl, or her parents, and stumble across it being offered as entertainment on the net ?

All the rest, I'd let go in exchange for Wilson being freed, guilty of anything or not, he's done paid his damn debt already and if that didn't teach him, ain't nothin going to.

But passing copies of the tape out like that ?
No, that one doesn't slide, and McDade is gonna pay for it, and pay dear, he should count himself lucky if all he gets is disbarred for it.

Sure, the kid did wrong, but WTF is McDades *issue* that he took it so ludicrously far and played fast and loose with the evidence besides ?

I mean to find the hell out, cause something does not pass the smell test, and I think it's more than simple racism, if that even has jackdamnall to do with it.

Oh, and... Wilson "Broke the Law" and "It's not vague. It's not gray. It's not subject to interpretation" - yeah, well then, McDade broke the law too, as the US Attorney has ruled.

So why the fuck isn't HE in jail ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:37 PM

Related "Dirt".

Firstoff, the guys a dirtbag, with a history of sexual misconduct.
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/07/mcdade_has_been_in_trouble_bef.php

Secondly, he shoulda been taken off the case due to conflict of interest given that two of his listed professional associations are...
Chairman, Douglas County Child Abuse Protocol Committee.
Lt. Governor's Task Force Over Child Abuse.
As lifted from : http://www.douglascountyda.org/Biography.htm

Which is all fine and dandy, on the surface, but setting the protocol even as you prosecute it qualifies as a geniune conflict of interest and should have been taken into account on a case of this nature - which means he never should have been allowed to prosecute it in the first place.

He also had better damned well be able to account for EVERY tape and who he gave it to, and I would lay pretty good odds at this time that he cannot do so, because he sent one or more of those tapes *unsolicited*, giving lie to the FOIA request - the paperwork in question seems to indicate this was indeed the case.

He also completely overstepped his bounds with the girls mother.
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2007/07/08/0709edwi
lson.html
(FYI, Six.. Sharpton did help organize a march, bastard that he is, he *was* helpful in this, not just for the march, but other support.)
And ouright ordered her to commit perjury, and apparently did so on tape.
A FOIA has been filed for THAT tape, and care to bet on the chances of getting it, eh ?

That ain't the *half* of the dirt that's gonna spill if Wilson don't walk out a free man within a week - at the end of this, it oughta be McDade doin time, not Wilson.

Oh, and this one's for you AL, cause yeah, joking or not, I said I would do it.
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Hey McDade!

Updates as they're available.

-Frem

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Looks like you beat me to it Frem. I just read this story tonight at work. Don't know how I missed your update last night at work. I was just about to post the same story you just did. This guy's gonna get off, I just know it.

Nice to see Justice done, and because that's just so rare to witness, it makes it all that much sweeter.

So before I go bashing the "Reverend", as I had originally planned on reading that he finally got his ass involved in this case, I'll just ask the question without insinuating any of the numerous dark reasons that I've come up with in my mind. Why is he involved now, ant WTF took him so long?

Okay... I can't help myself. I've got to come right out and say it. Is he a part of it now because he can get his face all over cable and the newspapers again after this kid gets off and he can be the hero again?

His self-serving presense only serves to make this a racial issue. He sure as shit wouldn't be anywhere in sight if this kid were white.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:58 AM

From my understanding, like I said in the beginning of this thread, no one had specifically brought it to his attention till pretty late in the day - it didn't initially get the huge media attention bump it's gettin now, and wrangling stuff past the office staff of a dude so politically involved isn't very easy, cause you got any number of bitchers to deal with who may or may not have a legit gripe.

Sharpton, and his crew, have indeed been helpful, not just with the march and the media fronting perspective (and yes, ole AL is gonna do some media whoring in this, it's his nature) but also from a legal research perspective and helping with the dirt-diggin shovelwork, too.

It strikes me, that at this point he's realized his chances for any real major office are about shot, and he's starting to realise he needs us honkeys too if he's ever to get anything done so he's toned down a lot of that let's-hate-on-whitey shit he used to pull and started to get with it on a more we're-all-in-this-together front, although it's not stopped him from a bit of race baiting here and there even now.

Can't say I like the guy, cause yah, he's a self centered arrogant media whore still, but when someone waved this case under his nose, he stood up and got to work on it, and that I can respect even if I don't like him personally.

He could be the devil hisself for all I care, long as Wilson walks and he helps mop the floor with McDade's face.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:03 AM

I agree. I just don't want to hear about how this is a race thing and i'm an asshole for being white again. When I read the story, I didn't know the kid was black until days later. I didn't care any less about it when I found that out either. But hey, if an innocient man can finally go free after 4 years of wrongful imprisonment, what is a little more white-bashing in the media. Not like there wouldn't be a ton of it there anyways. Everybody knows he's pretty much a whore and an asshole. Glad to have him aboard otherwise.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:27 PM

Recent Editorial that's a bit refreshing in it's slam-down honesty.

Original URL - http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Commentary_1/ Don_t_Blow_It_The_Genarlow_Wilson_Saga.shtml
(link space to avoid screenwrap)

Commentary
Don't Blow It!: The Genarlow Wilson Saga
By Michael-Louis Ingram
Aug 12, 2007

NEW YORK -- If our judicial system was truly one of equal justice under the law, you would never have heard of Genarlow Wilson.
Wilson, a 17-year old from Atlanta, was bringing in 2003 with friends at a New Year's Eve party. In the course of the evening's activities, he had consensual oral sex with a 15-year old female.

There were other kinds of sex going on that evening as well, as some of Wilson's friends had intercourse with the girl, with the whole incident videotaped.

Police arrested Wilson and the others because the girl was judged to be inebriated beyond the point of consent.

For the ones who engaged in intercourse, the charge was rape -- but because of a Georgia state statute that allows for consensual sex among teenagers, Wilson was found not guilty of rape.

He was, however, found guilty of having non-procreative sex with a minor in 2005, carrying with it a mandatory 10 year sentence and a lifetime listing as a registered sex offender.

The young woman never pressed charges against Wilson, admitted publicly that she consented to the act with the young man, but let's say it like it is -- the kid got 10 years for fellatio -- a blow job.

So for the last 28 months, Wilson, an honor roll student with a 3.2 grade point average, no criminal record and by all accounts a regular teenager, has marked time because he responded to the normal urges of sexual beings.

Because of the egregious nature of the sentencing, a groundswell to expunge the archaic law from the books has been successful, but not retroactive to Wilson's situation.

The attorney general who put Wilson in jail, Thurbert Baker, probably never received a blow job in his life -- how else could one explain the bellicose nature of such an anal-retentive translation of the law?

That the light has been turned on for young Wilson is a welcome thing -- but it again shows the roaches of reality always scurry back to hide from the real issues.

And here the real issue as I see it is two-fold: the rigidity in the translation of the law and America's puritanical views on that three letter word -- S-E-X.

Genarlow Wilson's situation is a clear case of Prosecutors Gone Wild. Georgia's ass-backwards approach to the law in this case on all levels seemed to take the power from the presiding judge to inject some common sense into the equation.

Many times judges have used good, sometimes innovative judgment in dealing suitable punishments for crimes committed. How many times have you heard of people who were caught and convicted for, say shoplifting and then because of their (lack of) a hardened criminal record, forced to wear a placard outside of the mall or Wal-Mart proclaiming they stole and are doing penance via public humiliation?

It may seem a poor example in comparison to being charged with rape, but it makes a difference when appointed judges can go beyond the cookie-cutter approach to prosecution.

In the 1970s, New York governor Nelson D. Rockefeller decided to flex his legislative muscles by introducing legislature that called for a mandatory 25 years to life sentence for possession of illegal drugs. With no judicial wiggle room, you did the same time whether you had 24 kilos of cocaine or a nickel bag of marijuana.

Many citizens had their lives ruined by this law, which has gained attention over the last decade.

The lock-step mentality by the Georgia Attorney General's office in insisting this kid do hard time because he got blown instead of screwing the girl got him screwed anyway.

Never mind that the girl in question admitted sex with Wilson was consensual and did not file charges once she was of clear mind; let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

In all honesty, there is no way thi

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:33 PM

I don't have a lot to update here, McDade and his cronies are trying to lay low and hope it blows over - which isn't gonna work.

Even protect.org - to my surprise, stepped in on this one, and they'd like to see McDade doing 10 years for distro of the tape, cause it's sounding a lot like McDade gave to the tape to certain political folk, then used their possession of it as a form of blackmail to get their support.

I want Wilson out of prison, dammit, and I *will* see it done.

And I'm not through with you yet Dave, not by a longshot...

-F

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:33 AM

Great news to hear my man. I'd love to see those assholes burn on their own crosses for a while.

Mr. Ingram writes a good article, though I see he's jumping all over the race issue here too like Jesse would. Whatever it takes to get this kid justice though, I suppose, but it just pisses me off how everything needs to be a race issue. Everything else he wrote about I agree with 100%.

What I think he fails to understand is that he's almost right on the mark when he makes the statement "It's no wonder as to why the bitch [Justice] wears a blindfold -- she knows how fucked up the system really is if you're black", all he has to do is change the word "black" to "poor" there, and every instance it was used above, and that racist fallacy becomes a very true and powerful statement.

Hey... you don't gotta tell me that the Bushes, and the Rockafellers and the Hiltons and most of the rich folk running the show are whites or jews.... just don't give me and the other apartment/trailerpark dwellers that we're a part of that bullshit. We're supposed to be on the same side.

Divided we fall, and all of that.... right?

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Thanks for the update Frem. I'm looking forward to this kid getting the justice he deserves after all of these years and I'm pretty blown away by your involvement in the situation.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:54 AM

Well, he was tryin to write that from a young black dudes perspective, and he slammed it home - I don't see that one so much race baiting as "quit kickin the brothas, homie!" which is understandable, but as you say, a bit of a fallacy unless you consider the intended audience of the article.

Most of the fellow anarchists I know couldn't give a shit about race anyway, there's always been a lot of socialist-leaning movements in the black community, and it's not that long of a step from there to anarchism, so as Gus put it so very well "hey, some of us black blocs are blacker than others, just means them bitches can see us better, right ?"

I think it's downright amusing that most of the beard-waggin, knuckle-draggin, redneck lowbillies that Dave expected to jump right on this (believe me, HE has done his share of race-baiting and then some, from the other side, his own color notwithstanding...) jumped in from the OTHER side, with a little encouragement, cause of a lot of them have kids, most of whom are humpin one another in various fashion, and realise they too could find themselves where wilson is, if someone wanted to make an issue of it.

But in the end, race, religion, all the various things that divide us, are ultimately products of the establishment that wishes fervently to do so, much like prison wardens turn the gangs against one another to save themselves hassle and headache.

Done more than my share of makin folk aware of that, and such support is currently united in the belief that Dave is an asshole who did this for personal reasons having naught to do with his office - and we're not gonna let it go, black or white, the cause is Right.

I'll save the details of that bastards reasons till it's said and done with, cause he's got a nasty shock comin, he does, when it comes to cases.

Wilson walks, or people talk - that's the deal, and we'll see if he takes it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:16 AM

Quote:
But in the end, race, religion, all the various things that divide us, are ultimately products of the establishment that wishes fervently to do so, much like prison wardens turn the gangs against one another to save themselves hassle and headache.

Like Tupac said, "Give 'em guns, step back, watch 'em kill each other".

Except it's ALL poor people, and "Guns" in this case would be a metaphor for hate.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

LEADB

Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:28 PM

Frankly, I did not believe this fellow would still be in jail at this point. This is appalling.

Just sent a note off to the Gov. of Georgia. It may not be much, but it can't hurt either:

http://www.gov.state.ga.us/contact.shtml

If you think this boy's prison term is too harsh, consider shooting a note. (And Frem, I'm clear you are going well beyond this, but figured I'd post it up for folks who felt the desire to do 'something')

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:01 PM

Hey, the more thumbs on these falsely pious SOBs the better - every bit helps and I want em sweatin it, and sweatin it good, I want em to realize it's NOT just gonna blow over if they lay low for a while.

Everyone else should bitch at the Governor too, cause he can commute/pardon - it's good enough for Libby, it's good enough for Wilson, right ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

EMPIREX

Monday, August 20, 2007 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white.

Oh damn! See I *knew* something seemed fishy! Why the hell would some kid get 10 years for that?

Hmm. Maybe cuz the judge is a racist pig?

Patsy: When you were two years old, we tied you to the central reservation of a motorway.

Edina: But you were like a homing pidgeon, sweetie....back within a week!

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, August 20, 2007 5:35 AM

Nah, the Judge actually wanted to pitch it, or at least cut down the sentance, but was straighjacketed by mandatory sentencing rules.

Heck, even the guy who WROTE the law said this was a misuse and misinterpretation of it.

And the Jury, being misinformed, and vaguely threatened, as they always are these days, felt they were risking obstruction and contempt charges to do anything but rubberstamp a guilty verdict for the prosecutor.
(more commentary on this above in previous posts)

So it boils down to the prosecutor, who is also black, who has apparently run with this ball for personal reasons outside the scope of his office and the case in question - to the point of threatening the girl and her mother, demanding they commit perjury, and mailing unsolicited copies of the tape to politically-involved folk, and then blackmailing them into supporting his end of the case with their possession and viewing of said tape....

AND this prosecutor has a nasty history of conflict of interest, sexual misconduct and other bad habits besides that.

His name is David McDade, and he deserves to be disbarred, fired, charged and if convicted, imprisoned.

Race and religion aside, the core of this seems a personal vendetta between McDade and Wilson, and McDade misused his office, the court, and our legal system to settle it to his benefit.

Go back and read through the thread carefully, it'll be informative.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, August 20, 2007 6:04 AM

This just in.

Apparently Andre got his hands on an admission that McDade not only cannot account for all the tapes, but also sent some AFTER he was informed it was illegal to do so.
http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2007/07/who-requested-genarlow-w
ilson-tapepart_26.html

I have a lot of respect for US Postal Inspectors, as their efficiency and effectiveness are what drove predators to the internet in an effort to avoid them, and if McDade shipped that material via USPS, especially AFTER being told it was illegal, he's gonna have some Postal Inspectors all up in his ass too.

As for how many of em were unsolicited, prolly no knowing that, but there's evidence of one, and one is enough - especially with him admitting he cannot account for all the copies.

Not done with you Dave, not by a long shot...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:38 PM

Nope, not done with ya Dave, by the way, you made it into the top ten, ain't you proud ?
http://bennettlawfirm.typepad.com/badprosecutors/

And if your boss won't act, we're gonna take it up the line, mister Baker has his own dirt to be shovelled too.

Let the kid out.

-F

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:05 AM

Hey Frem. Any new news on this? I haven't heard anything myself. Somebody at work was just asking me if I heard about this story and I thought it was good that it's finally getting exposure where somebody would be asking me about it.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, December 24, 2007 7:32 PM

Oh, you mighta missed it with your schedule and all, Jack.

Wilson walked on October 26, 2007, they ruled 4-3 on it and booted him from slam later that day.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=31220
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_v._State_of_Georgia

If you mean more recent and specific updates ?

Ain't been posting em cause not many seem to give a damn about much beyond their own personal feuds around here no more.. but sure, ok.

We're still all up in McDades ass, and bent the Parole board a bit on the rest of the poor sodders who didn't have the media and political support Wilson did, Williams got sprung last April, and we finally cracked em this past week on most of the rest, getting Willis out this Wendsday past, followed speedily by Barnwell and Robinson on Friday.

http://www.ajc.com/green/content/metro/stories/2007/12/21/genarlow_122
2_web.html

That leaves just Henry, but that part of the case is a bit more messy...

And a big shout out for BJ (Wilsons Lawyer), who's one tough chick under all that sweetness.
http://www.dailyreportonline.com/Editorial/News/singleEdit.asp?individ
ual_SQL=12%2F21%2F2007%4020252

And one even for that bastard Sharpton, cause he has indeed been helpful, not just on Wilson, but on the rest of them, too, allowing his office personnel to volunteer their time on this as they wished, and putting a quiet word or two in the right ears when he saw an opportunity where it might do some good - strangely, without so much of the media grandstanding, neither, so he's bought himself a bit of "cred" with me should he need it down the road, cause I pay my debts.

McDade is, unfortunately, still employed, but at this point a laughingstock and whipping boy for all those who wish to politically distance themselves from that mess, and rather blatantly watched like a hawk for any excuse whatever that would justify his dismissal and followup lynching in the court of public opinion.

While unhappy that it took so long, I think we've got the best real-world possible set of results we're gonna, and it's a done issue for me save for poking at the parole board over Henry.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, December 24, 2007 8:06 PM

Quote:
vacuous, venal and venereal vainglorious vermin

You gotta love that.

Thanks for the article and updates. Happy holidays.

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Aude sapere (Dare to know). -- Samuel Hahnemann, M.D., founder of homeopathy