This May Have Been Posted Here, But I'm Foaming at the Mouth Reading This
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Monday, December 24, 2007 20:06
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Thank you all for your responses and it's great to read your reactions to this kid's plight. It's nice to know that an overwhelming majority (I belive all but one) agree that this was fubared from start to finish.
Thanks for your GA insight as well AURaptor. I sure something can be done to end this madness.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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I just wanted to add that I think it's amazing we haven't seen Reverand Al, or Jesse, or even Oprah, or any of the multitude Of Hollywood bad boys & girls come to speak for this kid. I guess sin and redemption is all relative and selective. The bottom line here is that this looks to me like a conspiracy of Mississippi Burningesque qualities. I can hear the bloodhounds barking, the shotgun shells being loaded & the ropes being oiled.....Yeee Haw!
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Very good point Jogsstraw. I must admit myself that I wasn't even aware the kid was black until somebody else mentioned it on this forum, though I had thought that may have been the case. Immediately after I read here that he was black that thought (about Jesse and Sharpton) crept into the back of my mind. I just hadn't brought it up because I didn't want to play up any race issue here.
Racism could have been a large or even a small part of the issue here, but I think it was more a morality issue and this kid was a witch this guy could easily burn and make an example of. I think if any racism was existant here it was that people just turned a blind eye to the horrid sentence and inhumane way this kid has been treated afterwards because the boy was black.
As for Jessie and Sharpton and the rest of their race-baiting, hate-monguering ilk.... I think they pick and choose whatever events and topics they can get on their soapbox about and get another month of fame for. You know... the stories that are so hard to argue against that you look like a racist for even suggesting they're wrong. There's too many angles here other than race and I don't think this would have been an easy case for them to act like the ignorant racists they are and just slide.
Just my opinion on that. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:That was actually my first thought. And it's probably the main thrust there.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I think, perhaps more than race, the issue in this case is power. The prosecutor in question is afraid of losing face, and as a result, a young man is suffering the consequences.
And What's with the anti-Jesse talk hereabouts?
When did HE become a bad guy? Did I miss something??
Rev. Chrisisall
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Sorry man. Coming from someone who considers themselves a complete non-racist, Jesse Jackson is the Grand Wizard of the hate-whitey group. His kid is the scariest thing I've ever seen. He could say, "I hate whitey" in such an eloquent way that at the end of his speech, he could have an auditorium of 65 to 85 year old white people giving him a standing ovation. He's so subersive.......
Admitedly, I may have been a little harsh on Sharpton. He's a genuine media whore, but that might be the extent of his antics.
That's all i'm going to say on race here. It's already far too much. I didn't want to go there. This is about the kid. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:
... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]
I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.Quote:
... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]
If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.Quote:
... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]
Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.Quote:
... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]
And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?
And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.
Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.
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Originally posted by Siri:
Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.Siri
Thank you for that post Siri. I can't find anything to speak against it. I just wanted to point specifically that last part out. The main point is that almost every argument which is relatively harmless to families and individuals and can be solved without Government involvement, should be solved without Government intervention.
I'm not an Anarchist. I believe we need a modicum of Government, even on a Federal level. But, unless we want to admit to ourselves that we're all on show to be judged like high schoolers by the entire world...... shouldn't we keep some of this stuff in our own back yards?
Do you really want to live in a world where everybody airs out their dirty laundry for the world to see because the law says it's mandatory?
(I'm thinking not, of course... it's a rhetorical question.)
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Quote:
Quote:
... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]
I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.
Quote:
... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]
If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.
Quote:
... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]
Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.
Quote:
... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]
And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?
And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.
Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.
Siri
This is pretty close to what bothers me about the entire situation, and I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't been brought up before. This is, of course, resultant to the coverage of this case that I have been exposed to. AU may be a little more familiar with the particulars, but the outrage reaches deeper than 6string and others have shown.
The entire case has been ridiculous from the outset. It's all based on a strict interpretation of the law at the time, and nobody but the prosecutor has been happy about it. Her family believes the sentence is crazy. The jurors in the case have openly stated that they felt guilty rendering the verdict, but felt forced to the result under the instructions given to them from the DA. They have also since said that they would rather face obstruction charges than render the same judgment again. The judge issued the sentence because it was tied to the spe
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If you're interested, you can reach the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Parole by fax at (404) 651-8502 or the governor's office by mail or phone:
Office of the Governor
Georgia State Capitol
Atlanta, GA 30334
Phone: 404-656-1776
Don't make faces.
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I drive by there every week. I could go pay old Perdue a visit myself.
But as mostly what everyone is saying: If both kids had the same thing in mind and both agreed to do it, it shouldnt be JUST the guy who gets ALL the heat. The whole thing is just wrong.
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