Jimmy Carter called out on anti-semitism!

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CREVANREAVER

Monday, December 4, 2006 11:21 PM

The worst U.S. president of the 20th Century, Jimmy Carter, has come out with a new book. It's title is 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid'. It's a hate-filled screed against the right of the Jewish people to defend themselves against terrorism.

Recently, while being interviewed on C-SPAN, a caller called him out on his blatant anti-semitism.

F...k you, Jimmy Carter!

CARTOON

Monday, December 4, 2006 11:40 PM

I haven't read the book, so I can't comment on it. However, Carter's been nothing of a disappointment to me for years now. At one time, I'd honestly believed he was a decent man, and when he started saying these crazy things, for a while I would give him the benefit of the doubt. A few years ago, however, I came to the distinct realization that he's quite bonkers.

I probably shouldn't admit this publically (particularly as a life-long conservative Republican), but I actually supported his bid for the White House in 1976 over President Ford. It didn't take long for me to realize what a big mistake that had been.

Although, everyone who knows that I supported Carter is either dead or has long forgotten by now -- except for one friend, who (fortunately) I don't see that much anymore. I'd hate for him to bring it up. (Although, if he did, I could always bring up how he supported McGovern in '72. Fortunately, he wasn't yet quite old enough to vote.)

I'd really like to know what happened to Carter. I'm left wondering if he was always this crazy, and I just wasn't perceptive enough to realize it, or if he'd actually (at one time) had a decent mind -- which has been ravaged by time and his party's bizarre agenda?

He's actually making his late brother, Billy, look like the sane one in the family.

What a shame.

RIGHTEOUS9

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 1:42 AM

Crevanreaver,

please post some examples of his "hate filled screed" against the israeli right to defend themselves.

As it stands, your post sounds like so much rhetoric.

I heard an interview with him on the book and nothing sounded the way you paint it, but by all means, educate us.

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 3:38 AM

The caller certainly had some choice names to call the ex-President. That's a great way to get your point across, call in to a talk show and call the guest names.

I'm not going to apologise for admiring Jimmy Carter. He has spent his post-presidential years trying to advance the cause of world peace, among other things. The Carter Center works to advance Human Rights, works towards erradicating diseases in the Third World, and offers to mediate conflicts both between warring factions inside countries and between nations in conflict. Not to mention the ex-pres personally showing up to help build homes with Habitat For Humanity.

Worst president of the 20th century? Hardly! He was too ineffectual to nab that title. Too busy trying to be a good man to be an effective president, in my opinion. Though winning that Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 sure should have showed him he had been wasting his time with that goody-goody stuff, right?

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 4:02 AM

So if a man disagrees with the policies of a government he therefore hates the ethnicity of the members of that government? The very idea is racist.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 4:17 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJester:

Worst president of the 20th century?

Aw hell....

He is just sore that GW has that title locked up already for the 21 st century.

SOUPCATCHER

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 4:33 AM

Good luck with that, Righteous9.

Even though CrevanReaver has been around the RWED for quite a while, I have yet to get a feel for his "voice". What he is good for, IMO, is to serve as a gauge for the outrage du jour going around the right blogosphere. But to expect actual discourse? That would be out of the ordinary indeed.

* edited to add: Well, color me pleasantly surprised.

CANTTAKESKY

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 4:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
It's title is 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid'. It's a hate-filled screed against the right of the Jewish people to defend themselves against terrorism.

I have always admired Jimmy Carter precisely for understanding the complex situation in the Arab-Israeli conflict and supporting the right of Palestinians to self-government. What Israel does practice now IS apartheid. Maybe Israel thinks she has a good excuse for it, but it is still wrong. I am glad someone of Carter's public stature is speaking out against it.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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--Ronald Reagan

CREVANREAVER

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 5:15 AM

In Chapter 17, Carter writes, "Some Israelis believe they have the right to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land and try to justify the sustained subjugation and persecution of increasingly hopeless and aggravated Palestinians; and some Palestinians react by honoring suicide bombers as martyrs to be rewarded in heaven and consider the killing of Israelis as victories. In turn, Israel responds with retribution and oppression."

In laymen's terms, what Carter is saying is that he believes that when Jews in the Middle East defend themselves, they are oppressors. When Middle Eastern Nazis (aka "aggravated Palestinians") kill Jews, it's in response to oppression from Jews.

People say that the Nobel Peace Prize lost legitimacy when it was given to Arafat. No, it truly lost all legitimacy when it was given to that idiot peanut farmer.

JIMMY CARTER IS WORSE THAN YASSER ARAFAT!

CREVANREAVER

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 5:31 AM

By the way, on the accusation that Israelis "confiscate and colonize Palestinian land":

Quote:
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented....Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us."
-- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi to the Peel Commission, 1937

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"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not."
-- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

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"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
-- Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

Here's are some interesting webpages:

http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/july01/history_palestine.
html

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/palestine.htm

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 6:13 AM

I found it interesting that somebody put in all the villages that used to exist before the Israelis purged much of the Palestinian population in the fiftys into Google Earth.

Funny that when Israel uses armed force against an insurgent population, the US supports them, when Serbia does it they get bombed by the US ?

PIRATECAT

Tuesday, December 5, 2006 6:23 AM

Jimmy Carter is a scum bag always has been. After 9/11 the arabs got to go. Could care less what libs from England think. Give back Ire before you bash Israel. Carter give back your farm to the Indians. They all are phonies who wil get your throat cut. Look the lib in England before WW2 Chamberlain sold out his people. The American press would comment on what Adolf had for breakfast. These are the same people who will tell you your racist while their family owned slaves and helped with the jim crow laws, 1st amend. for non amercians, and understand muslims while they don't want christian religon in school.

I like smacken em.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:15 AM

How do I disagree, let me count the ways:

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The worst U.S. president of the 20th Century, Jimmy Carter,

Not even close. Truman, FDR, Johnson, and let's not forget Wilson. Clinton's not one of my favorites either. Jimmy Carter is my favorite democrat, because he actually understood that business and diplomacy were important. He even was seriously trying to do something about energy policy, and was not creating large scale social programs and wars like a typical democrat president of the 20th c.

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has come out with a new book. It's title is 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid'. It's a hate-filled screed against the right of the Jewish people to defend themselves against terrorism.

I haven't read the book, but I find this hard to credit.

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Recently, while being interviewed on C-SPAN, a caller called him out on his blatant anti-semitism.

Okay. I listened.

What nonsense. Carter is a zionist. That's my major gripe with him. If someone think's carter is anti-semitic then I can safely ignore them because they will be impossible to please.

Zionism has no place in American politics. We should not be pro or anti any other nation on earth, we should be neutral, and neutral tending positive on our allies. We should never under any circumstance be pro- the expansion of a foreign power. We should only really truly be pro- one nation and that nation should be the United States of America.

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"Some Israelis believe they have the right to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land and try to justify the sustained subjugation and persecution of increasingly hopeless and aggravated Palestinians; and some Palestinians react by honoring suicide bombers as martyrs to be rewarded in heaven and consider the killing of Israelis as victories. In turn, Israel responds with retribution and oppression."

Sounds like a statement of fact describing what's going on on the ground. A lot of people in Israel think so too. Probably a majority.

But I don't know what the part of israel that is methyl-israel is on.

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After 9/11 the arabs got to go.

An anti-semitic rant! I knew I could identify one if it jumped up and hit me in the face.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:30 AM

I live about 4 miles from the Jimmy Carter Library, here in Atlanta. I've never set foot on the grounds, and never intend to. My loathing for this man only grows with the passage of time. Instead, I plan on visiting the Ronald Reagan Library, which is clear on the other side of the country.

Jimmy Carter is an embarrassment and a national disgrace.

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CREVANREAVER

Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:32 AM

Now even Carter's own people are turning against him:

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=170792

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:34 AM

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
The worst U.S. president of the 20th Century,

Funny, I've got another candidate. Guy who got himself impeached, and resigned in disgrace. Name was Tricky Dick Somebody-- nix on him...

But maybe y'all are too young to remember that far back. Or maybe too partisan.

Oh that's right , I fergot- he was a victim of the liberal biased media.
Whereas, your even handed, objective, fair and balanced attack on Carter isn't biased.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:10 AM

re Carter.
Somewhere in the commentary about Old Star Trek was a statement that Spock did not have the right temperament to command. He was plenty smart enough, honest and decent, but no good at command.
Which might sum up J C.
I don't doubt his faith, his honesty, or his smarts, but he didn't do a good job of leading the country, and he did bilge the BIG ONE. He shoulda started WW 3 if necessary, over the Tehran Embassy thing. ANd I'm dead serious about that. Civilized nations do not permit the kidnapping of diplomats, not even by civilian or militia groups within their borders.

It is not done.

And any nation that permits it should pay such a high price that nobody ever does it again.

CREVANREAVER

Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Guy who got himself impeached, and resigned in disgrace. Name was Tricky Dick Somebody-- nix on him...

Nixon was never impeached. Get the facts right before you post.

In the 20th Century, the former governor of Arkansas was the one who was impeached.

CITIZEN

Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:24 AM

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Could care less what libs from England think. Give back Ire before you bash Israel.

Luckily "Liberals" and "Conservatives" alike in the UK couldn't give a toss what brain damaged morons think...

Give back Ireland? I assume you mean Northern Ireland, the mostly loyalist area whose majority wants to remain part of the UK? What a surprise, a conservative American who believes not only in an American empire but doesn't believe in democracy. You voted Bush right.

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The American press would comment on what Adolf had for breakfast.

Of course, a lot of people in the US liked Hitler, he was their hero, by the sounds of your post not much has changed.

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After 9/11 the arabs got to go.

Maybe you can put them in "camps" that "concentrate" them all together so that they can be with their own kind. Then if these "concentration camps" get too full you can send some of them for a "shower".

Aren't Arabs semites? Wouldn't that mean this is an anti-Semitic sentiment? Does anyone else feel the delicious Irony of some anti-Semite ranting against another for their anti-Semitism?

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for non amercians, and understand muslims while they don't want christian religon in school.

Because understanding Muslims aren't evil Satan spawn and not letting Christians get their own way all the time forcing their religion down other peoples throats are equivalent.

If you reply I expect lots of shouting about how it's not racist to call for genocide of an entire ethnicity, and in fact I'm the racist one. Get to it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Guy who got himself impeached, and resigned in disgrace. Name was Tricky Dick Somebody-- nix on him...

Nixon was never impeached. Get the facts right before you post.

In the 20th Century, the former governor of Arkansas was the one who was impeached.

OK, you're right about that , if you split the hairs fine enough.

" He is the only U.S. President to have resigned from office. His resignation came in the face of imminent impeachment related to the Watergate scandal. Nixon's abuse of his office,..."
seems I remember the House voted yes on some articles of Impeachemnt, but I might be wrong about that, too.

He certainly came close. If he hadn't 'a "cut and run"...
But he still qualidies for the short list of worst...

CREVANREAVER

Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:35 PM

Nixon wasn't impeached on any articles. That's why he resigned. It was based solely on an inevitable impeachment. The resignation was to avoid any of that.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, December 7, 2006 10:24 PM

Nixon was a great president. His so-called impeachment was a social dem coup.
Nixon and Carter got along swimmingly with one another.

CARTOON

Thursday, December 7, 2006 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Nixon was a great president. His so-called impeachment was a social dem coup.
Nixon and Carter got along swimmingly with one another.

Have to agree with Dream on this one.

Nixon's biggest mistake was saying that Helen Gahagan Douglas was "pink" right down the color of her underwear in his 1950 bid for her Senate seat. The liberal press never forgave him for that. That he also worked for McCarthy, didn't help, either.

The press never credited Nixon for the way he conducted himself in November 1960 when JFK's daddy bought him the White House. Nixon could've pulled a Gore, contested the election (and likely won -- as Joe Kennedy did have the fix put in several key districts in Chicago -- and probably elsewhere). But Nixon conceded the stolen election because the welfare of the country was more important than his personal political life.

Regarding Watergate, Nixon apparently was guilty of two things. #1) That he wasn't a very good judge of character, and picked some fellows for his re-election committee who were a bit overzealous (and felt that the law, as regarding "breaking and entering" didn't apply to them). #2) That when he found out about what they'd done, rather than hang them out to dry, he covered it up.

In hindsight, it's easy to say that he should've immediately fired the perpetrators (and their immediate superiors), and allowed them to be prosecuted for their clear violation of the law.

My guess, however, is that he was paranoid about how the media would handle the fact that some of his re-election committee broke into the Watergate Hotel, and felt he wouldn't get a fair shake in the press (and given their life-long hatred of him, he was almost certainly right about that).

If Nixon had done as he should have (and subsequently not been forced into resignation), Carter never would've gained the White House in 1976 (he barely defeated Ford as it was, even given the backlash against the Republican party because of Watergate). Who knows how things might've gone in Iran then? (Not to mention Iraq -- where, because of Iran, we backed that idiot, Saddam Hussein. And we all know where that's brought us.)

At the very least, we wouldn't be here talking about Jimmy Carter's incessant blunders and embarrassments to his country, as likely, none of us would've ever heard of him. (As in McGovern who?)

If only...

DARKJESTER

Thursday, December 7, 2006 11:02 PM

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Have to agree with Dream on this one.

Nixon's biggest mistake was saying that Helen Gahagan Douglas was "pink" right down the color of her underwear in his 1950 bid for her Senate seat. The liberal press never forgave him for that. That he also worked for McCarthy, didn't help, either.

The press never credited Nixon for the way he conducted himself in November 1960 when JFK's daddy bought him the White House. Nixon could've pulled a Gore, contested the election (and likely won -- as Joe Kennedy did have the fix put in several key districts in Chicago -- and probably elsewhere). But Nixon conceded the stolen election because the welfare of the country was more important than his personal political life.

Regarding Watergate, Nixon apparently was guilty of two things. #1) That he wasn't a very good judge of character, and picked some fellows for his re-election committee who were a bit overzealous (and felt that the law, as regarding "breaking and entering" didn't apply to them). #2) That when he found out about what they'd done, rather than hang them out to dry, he covered it up.

In hindsight, it's easy to say that he should've immediately fired the perpetrators (and their immediate superiors), and allowed them to be prosecuted for their clear violation of the law.

My guess, however, is that he was paranoid about how the media would handle the fact that some of his re-election committee broke into the Watergate Hotel, and felt he wouldn't get a fair shake in the press (and given their life-long hatred of him, he was almost certainly right about that).

If Nixon had done as he should have (and subsequently not been forced into resignation), Carter never would've gained the White House in 1976 (he barely defeated Ford as it was, even given the backlash against the Republican party because of Watergate). Who knows how things might've gone in Iran then? (Not to mention Iraq -- where, because of Iran, we backed that idiot, Saddam Hussein. And we all know where that's brought us.)

At the very least, we wouldn't be here talking about Jimmy Carter's incessant blunders and embarrassments to his country, as likely, none of us would've ever heard of him. (As in McGovern who?)

If only...

And don't forget Nixon was a MASTER at foreign policy. What he accomplished with the Chinese I think surprised everyone.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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CARTOON

Thursday, December 7, 2006 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
And don't forget Nixon was a MASTER at foreign policy. What he accomplished with the Chinese I think surprised everyone.

That goes without saying.

Nixon brought us to the table with both China and the Soviet Union. That was no small parlour trick, given our status with both of those nations in the two decades prior to his administration.

It's unfortunate that his bad choice regarding how to deal with the break-in (after the fact) has tarnished his otherwise very exceptional administration.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 9, 2006 7:18 PM

Carter’s views on the Middle East, and most other things, are pretty wacked, but he is still a former US president and the caller’s attitude was disrespectful. You don’t call into a program to speak with a former US president and go off on a name-calling tirade like that. Now considering Carter’s own attitude towards criticizing sitting presidents, it would seem he has little more respect for the office of the presidency, but that doesn’t make the caller’s belligerent attitude right.

Saying that Carter is worse then Yassar Arafat makes someone look silly. You can’t honestly make that statement and know anything about Arafat.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CREVANREAVER

Friday, December 15, 2006 8:59 PM

Here's a San Francisco Chronicle article on the Jimmy Carter anti-semitism controversy:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2006/12/13/cstillw
ell.DTL

CREVANREAVER

Friday, December 15, 2006 8:59 PM

Here's an article in The Jewish Week:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=13420

CHRISISALL

Friday, December 15, 2006 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Jimmy Carter is an embarrassment and a national disgrace.

If that's true, then by that barometer GW is a pre-meditated murderer.

But I suspect neither are actually the case.

Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If that's true, then by that barometer GW is a pre-meditated murderer.

But I suspect neither are actually the case.

pre-meditated MASS-murderer

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, December 22, 2006 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If that's true, then by that barometer GW is a pre-meditated murderer.

But I suspect neither are actually the case.

That barometer is: a president that kowtows to terrorism is an embarrassment, but one who fights terrorism is a pre-meditated murderer? Not sure I buy that. Though I do agree with you that Bush is not a murderer and neither is Jimmy Carter, but Carter has indeed embarrassed the Clinton and the Bush administrations and it always seems like someone, both Democrat and Republican, are distancing themselves from one or more of Carter’s polemics. So while I certainly don’t think that Carter has any comparison to Arafat, I think it is certainly reasonable to say that he has become an embarrassment.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Friday, December 22, 2006 1:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So while I certainly don’t think that Carter has any comparison to Arafat, I think it is certainly reasonable to say that he has become an embarrassment.

Truth is sometimes embarrassing.
Not that he has the corner on it, but he tells enough to stir things up.

Good on him

Chrisisall

SKYWALKEN

Monday, December 25, 2006 8:39 PM

In May of 2006, the ultra-liberal website Media Matters attacked Michael Savage for calling Jimmy Carter out on what he is...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605180005

CAUSAL

Monday, December 25, 2006 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:

Worst president of the 20th century?

Aw hell....

He is just sore that GW has that title locked up already for the 21 st century.

If you really believe this, you've got far more faith in humanity than I do.

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HKCAVALIER

Monday, December 25, 2006 10:21 PM

Anyone tell me who the hell this Michael Savage is and why we care what he thinks? At first blush he looks like Rush Limbaugh with a college degree. Jimmy Carter is "like Hitler?" Why, 'cause they're both vegetarians?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:00 AM

Michael Savage is the screenname for a radio talk show host and author named Dr. Michael Weiner, Ph.D. I’m sure that I wouldn't blanketedly compare him to Rush Limbaugh. His views tend to be much more diverse then Limbaugh’s. I’ve read several of his books and I sometimes listen to his radio show. Although I sympathize with many of his opinions, I think they are often more radical then I would care to commit myself. Although some might say that Savage/Dr. Weiner is telling enough truth "to stir things up."

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CREVANREAVER

Friday, January 19, 2007 6:22 PM

Even liberal Alan Dershowitz is standing up to that anti-semitic bastard Jimmy Carter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244303,00.html

ERIC

Friday, January 19, 2007 7:29 PM

Jimmy Carter.

The only president to get an Arab country to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Anti-Semitic.

Right.

Asshats.

QUANTUMCAT

Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:55 AM

Perhaps we could get folks in the Middle East
to agree that all the folks abusing those poor
donkeys should forfeit their land,citizenship,
etc. and get some serious medical and spiritual
help.

After all,no rational being condones cruelty
and/or neglect.

Certainly no People of the Book would go along
with such actions.

Removing the perpetrators of such abuse would
free up a lot of jobs and property.

The parties responsible for the beasts' injuries
could get straightened out before they could do
further damage and be kept away from potential
victims before their dysfunctional behavior
escalates.

Maybe,if these warped folk weren't around,some
of the countries' other ills would diminish.

It's been said that those who would do great
diabolic acts would begin by hurting the most
vulnerable and 'insignificant'.

Today they victimize a stray animal,then a pet
or child,an elder or disabled person or spouse.

Tomorrow they may attack a neighbor or an 'enemy'.

Is all this genocide due to past conflicts and
ideologies?

Are there groups behind the hatred who would
dispassionately destroy others for their own
agenda?

Or do those infected with Despite use war as an
excuse to do on a wide scale what they would do
to anyone any day for no reason but that they
lack the will or the ability to act sane?

Maybe it's time to quit blaming groups for our
sin and start accepting responsibility ourselves.

Countries and sects and other groups don't rape,
murder,pillage or destroy the world we live in.

That's the work of individuals who do the crimes
or let them happen.

Let's stop minimising such acts by declaring
them 'acceptable damage' in pursuit of right.

Call it sickness,call it sin-but call it off.

Once the perennial abusers are excised from the
scene,maybe the rest of us could implement some
reasonable solutions to our problems.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eric:
Jimmy Carter.

The only president to get an Arab country to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Anti-Semitic.

Right.

Asshats.

Yep. Something he did 30 yrs ago washes away everything he's said or how he feels now. Never mind that more and more are resigning from the Carter Centre, specifically because of his anti-semetic comments and position.

Asshat

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Even liberal Alan Dershowitz is standing up to that anti-semitic bastard Jimmy Carter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244303,00.html

I would expect that Dershowitz would have a lot to say about Carter’s position on this issue. Dershowitz is a strong pro-Israel hawk, and he’s ideal for rebutting Carter’s remarks. I’ve not read Carter’s book yet, so I don’t know what I can say about it, but the fact that many of Carter’s associates have come out strongly against him, tells me that he's really way off the mark with this book. With as weak a position as Carter may have on this issue, I would not want to go up against someone like Dershowitz.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SKYWALKEN

Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:36 AM

We're now learning more about Carter's history:

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:48 AM

Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me. The other day I was watching CSPAN and Carter was asked why his book did not include any comment on Palestinian children being taught to kill Jews in Palestinian public schools. Carter’s response to this astonished me. He argued that it was the same thing as Israeli text books not including maps of Israel that included the Palestinian territories. Assuming for the moment that the constantly changing borders of the Palestinian territories has nothing to do with it, how the hell can any reasonable person equate these two things?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SKYWALKEN

Friday, January 26, 2007 6:50 AM

Apparently Carter once complained there were "too many Jews" on the government's Holocaust Memorial Council and rejected a Christian historian because his name sounded "too Jewish".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article53954.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 26, 2007 10:16 AM

Nice man. Everybody hates jews, don't they?

It must be nice to be Jewish and be able to win every arguement by calling somebody a Nazi if they don't agree with you.

Go to hell.

Quite frankly, I'm just as tired of hearing Jews bitch and moan about everything as I am any minoirity. My life ain't all peaches and bubble baths bro. Everything about my life has been a struggle and because I'm white, male and hetrosexual nobody gives two shits. Can we please stop talking about stupid bullshit like this that does nothing but divide races even further, rather than heal them and bring them together?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

KHYRON

Friday, January 26, 2007 10:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quite frankly, I'm just as tired of hearing Jews bitch and moan about everything as I am any minoirity. My life ain't all peaches and bubble baths bro. Everything about my life has been a struggle and because I'm white, male and hetrosexual nobody gives two shits. Can we please stop talking about stupid bullshit like this that does nothing but divide races even further, rather than heal them and bring them together?

Hear, hear.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CITIZEN

Friday, January 26, 2007 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quite frankly, I'm just as tired of hearing Jews bitch and moan about everything as I am any minoirity. My life ain't all peaches and bubble baths bro. Everything about my life has been a struggle and because I'm white, male and hetrosexual nobody gives two shits. Can we please stop talking about stupid bullshit like this that does nothing but divide races even further, rather than heal them and bring them together?

A lucid post? What the fuck are you doing here. Pick up the rock and throw, the guy criticised the actions of some Jews you loony.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 26, 2007 12:25 PM

Your post doesn't even remotely make any sense, whichever English you try to decode it in.

Care to re-word your statement so that English speaking, English speaking people may be able to understand it Gitizen?

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KHYRON

Friday, January 26, 2007 12:39 PM

Citizen was joking. He's got a good, sarcastic sense of humour, but sometimes it's difficult to tell when he's joking and when he's attacking somebody. This time he was joking. Let me paraphrase (don't forget to keep in mind that it's sarcasm):

"You said something that made sense!? How dare you say something that makes sense when almost everybody else is busy witch-hunting!?"

As I see it, he was giving you a compliment.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CITIZEN

Friday, January 26, 2007 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 'Gitizen':
Pick up the rock and throw

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Your post doesn't even remotely make any sense, whichever English you try to decode it in.

Care to re-word your statement so that English speaking, English speaking people may be able to understand it Gitizen?

See, that's not half bad

.

As for the rewording thing, I would, but Khyron already did.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 26, 2007 1:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quite frankly, I'm just as tired of hearing Jews bitch and moan about everything as I am any minoirity. My life ain't all peaches and bubble baths bro. Everything about my life has been a struggle and because I'm white, male and hetrosexual nobody gives two shits. Can we please stop talking about stupid bullshit like this that does nothing but divide races even further, rather than heal them and bring them together?

You mean like you generalizing Jews as bitching and moaning about everything. That really helps your case, dude.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KHYRON

Friday, January 26, 2007 8:33 PM

Quote:
You mean like you generalizing Jews as bitching and moaning about everything. That really helps your case, dude.

Finn, you're right to point out that the wording of the original statement wasn't totally kosher in its political correctness. But nonetheless I have a problem with the sort of argument you made - maybe not so much in the context that you used it, but in the context that the PC Police likes to use it (and I don't consider you a part of that crowd... unless, of course, you actually are, but I think you're too smart to think in absolutes like those people like to do). So don't think any of the following is a response to you directly, it's a response to that sort of argument in general, when it's used for the wrong reason.

I'll use Jews as a representative minority group instead of the more cumbersome "minority group A", but my arguments apply to all minorities.

The biggest problem I have with the argument is that it deliberately deflects the criticism contained in the original statement from the specified target to another, much broader group of people. While we can all agree that the wording isn't great, which makes such a target-shift easy, I think we can also agree that 6string didn't mean to imply that ALL Jews are moaners and bitchers, but rather the small but vocal crowd that likes to cry anti-semitism whenever somebody higher up is critical of something that somebody who happens to be Jewish has done. Of course, that vocal crowd isn't composed only of Jews, but all manner of folk who take it upon themselves to show the world how morally superior they are by claiming to know what offends other people and accusing others of being bigots. These people, in general, like to argue along the lines of "This and that statement is offensive to Jews", even though it's very likely that it's only a small number of Jews that are actually offended by it (unless the original statement is unambiguously racist, but those aren't the statements I'm talking about). The PC Police takes it upon itself to represent ALL Jews and how it is they supposedly feel towards something (and hence tell Jews that they should be thinking this way if they consider themselves to be part of the broader Jewish community), and in this sense if somebody says "Jews should stop complaining", it's really directed towards the PC Police who takes it upon itself to represent Jews.

My second gripe: implied racism by the poster. By saying "you're generalising all Jews to be whiners and bitchers", one is basically saying "you describe everybody of this group by using a derogatory term, so you must not like this group, so you're a racist", even though it should be clear to people from the context that this isn't actually the case (again, I'm not talking about the cases where there genuinely IS a racist comment).

Finally, since the racism accusation tends to stick and automatically makes everything else invalid, the actual point the poster tried to make is lost. In this case, the poster also said "Can we please stop talking about stupid bullshit like this that does nothing but divide races even further, rather than heal them and bring them together?", and a very good call as well, but this sentence has been made insignificant because the first sentence of the paragraph has been twisted into making it sound like the poster is racist, so "why should we listen to what else you have to say?".

Basically, what it comes down to is this kind of dialogue (in reaction to person A saying statement B that is critical of what some members of group C have done, but not by any means racist):

PC Police: "Group C is offended by person A saying statement B, it's racist and thus so is person A."
Sick-of-PC-dude: "Statement B isn't racist, so group C should stop moaning and bitching about it, this discussion is pointless and only promotes hate."
PC Police: "Are you calling ALL members of group C moaners and bitchers!? RACIST!"

So Sick-of-PC-dude has been labelled a racist because of unfortunate semantics on his part, and bigotte

SKYWALKEN

Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:49 AM

Here a clip from an interview with Al Jazeera, in which Carter actually claims the so-called "Palestianians" are in some ways being treated worse than blacks under apartheid South Africa:

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24024&only&rss

CHRISISALL

Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skywalken:
Here a clip from an interview with Al Jazeera, in which Carter actually claims the so-called "Palestianians" are in some ways being treated worse than blacks under apartheid South Africa:

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24024&only&rss

Glad to see you're into spreading the truth, although I feel it is an exaggeration in some ways.

Moderate Chrisisall

KHYRON

Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skywalken:
...in which Carter actually claims the so-called "Palestianians" are in some ways being treated worse than blacks under apartheid South Africa:

Why is that so hard to believe? Don't you think it's possible that you either underestimate what the Palestinians are going through, or overetimate what blacks went through under Apartheid?

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

ANTHONYT

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:29 AM

I don't know much about Carter...

But I've been reviewing the arguments and statements made on this thread about him.

Is it possible that Carter isn't anti-Jewish, but rather pro-Palestinian?

Has he actually said anywhere that Jewish people are bad people and he wants to see them maligned or killed?

Or has he defended Palestinians against what he perceives as Jewish wrongdoing?

I mean, if someone defended the Jewish people against perceived Palestinian wrongdoings, would they be anti-Palestinian?

Would anyone care about an Anti-Palite (heh) the way they might care about an anti-Semite?

If we were talking about Chinese people and Japanese people, would there be as much drama to it?

What does that say about us?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:30 AM

Khyron - I gotta say man... I think you nailed it on the head man. You've eloquently summed up just about every thought I've ever had about the whole PC movement and how it's spiraled out of control to the point where one almost feels like they can't say anything anymore without somebody crying foul about it and in turn losing their good reputation, their job, their house, their money or all of the above in court. I love how you point out the fact that because one part of a picture that somebody tries to paint might seem racist to somebody, once somebody claims they are racist for it, the entire point of the picture is lost and invalidated.

Thanks for validating my opinion here. Personally, I don't think I need any validation, but in todays diseased PC world, any attempt at brodening sanity and any help the sane can give each other is priceless.

Citizen - Sorry about the misunderstanding. I thought you were attacking me there somehow. I know we see eye to eye on about as much as we disagree about. Sorry about the Git thing too. I thought your reply was pretty funny though. Glad you kept your sense of humor about it.

Edit: Heh... looking back on your first post I see that it was the "lucid" thing that got me. I really didn't get that you were being sarcastic and I couldn't figure out if you were agreeing or disagreeing.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Is it possible that Carter isn't anti-Jewish, but rather pro-Palestinian?

Has he actually said anywhere that Jewish people are bad people and he wants to see them maligned or killed?

Or has he defended Palestinians against what he perceives as Jewish wrongdoing?

I mean, if someone defended the Jewish people against perceived Palestinian wrongdoings, would they be anti-Palestinian?

Would anyone care about an Anti-Palite (heh) the way they might care about an anti-Semite?

If we were talking about Chinese people and Japanese people, would there be as much drama to it?

What does that say about us?

Anthony - I won't pretend to know much about Carter or the situation either. Actually, I know much more about it now because of this thread than I ever did before. I do, however, have to give Carter the benefit of the doubt in this situation for the reasons I've stated above.

I think you bring up probably the most valid and insightful questions on this thread. My particular favorite was:

"Is it possible that Carter isn't anti-Jewish, but rather pro-Palestinian?"

Very good question here Anthony. I think we've been so brainwashed as a populous in school, in the newspapers, on TV and in movies for years about the holocaust and the hardships of the Jews that they've become untouchable to the point that many of us wouldn't ever even stop to think about asking that very important question. I think the immediate "knee-jerk" reaction almost anyone would have against Carter here would be to say that he was racist against Jews. (Except of course, the obvious extreme of true rscists that take glee in watching a Jewish person die, but that's not who we're talking about here) I don't even blame people who take that approach against Carter here... they've never been taught differently.

Just because you don't agree with a Jewish person (or any person from any "minority") or an entire race's standpoint on an issue, does not make you a racist.

Personally, I see no more reason why we're helping anyone in Isreal than I do for the entire war we're in. If those people really are so important to us than I think maybe we should give them Amnesty in our country... let the ones who want out have safe harbor come here, and leave the rest to fight if they want. It really is none of our business in the first place, and I think that giving them Amnesty here is more than generous.

Am I a racist for saying we shouldn't be involved in battles that are none of our damn business?

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CITIZEN

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Am I a racist for saying we shouldn't be involved in battles that are none of our damn business?

No, it makes you a terrorist, haven't you been keeping up

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:54 AM

Heh..... yeah. I should have known better. I'm pretty sure that there's somebody from the CIA that's watching all of my posts on here and MySpace among other places. Maybe I'm just paranoid (No... not me, right?) I'm guessing I'm walking the tightrope and haven't crossed the line yet because I haven't had any warrantless searches of my apartment..... or have I?

I figure either I haven't crossed the line yet, they're waiting for me to run for political office before they dump all of this on the American public or they're just waiting for me to give them a whole arsenal of "anti-American" rants to come after me with.

Fthem. I love this country and I'm a patriot. Love for your country and love for a tyrannical government are two seperate things, though the latter would have you believe that they are inseparable. (Wow!... I really like that quote. I'm gonna have to remember that one).

If it ever gets real bad, I'll let them make me a martyr.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skywalken:
Here a clip from an interview with Al Jazeera, in which Carter actually claims the so-called "Palestianians" are in some ways being treated worse than blacks under apartheid South Africa:

That’s nonsense. Apartheid and the Palestinian territories have nothing to do with each other. The Palestinians are not in the shape they are in because a bigoted Israeli government is oppressing them, but rather because a fanatical Palestinian government is oppressing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn, you're right to point out that the wording of the original statement wasn't totally kosher in its political correctness.

I don’t care anything about 6strings political correctness; I’m not much of the PC type, but sometimes I get the feeling that people use the politically incorrect argument to justify nonsense. Essentially, what 6string’s argument boils down to is “we would all get along if minorities would just shut up.” I don’t buy that. It doesn’t make any sense for one thing and it’s pejorative. I don’t know if that was what he was trying to say or if he just didn’t phrase it very well. Maybe he is a bigot for all I know, but I’m not going to assume that, I’ll simply say that what he said didn’t help his case any, and I did. He came across like someone who wants to inflame race tensions, not assuage them.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KHYRON

Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Essentially, what 6string’s argument boils down to is “we would all get along if minorities would just shut up.” I don’t buy that.

Had he said that, I wouldn't have bought it either, but I didn't read it that way, and by his reaction to my post I think I read it right. I saw it as: "If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done." Very different wording, but I think the message is the same.

But I'm tired and not in the mood to discuss this any further.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
"If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done."

Pure genius... and exactly the point I was trying to make. You should be a speech writer for a politician. One of the good kind of politician (such a thing does exist).

Maybe the American public will get a small dose of truth and common sense that will be written so well that it can't be called racist.

Now you just have to find somebody who can speak as well as you can write.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Is it possible that Carter isn't anti-Jewish, but rather pro-Palestinian?

He might be anti-Semitic. Certainly some of what he has said suggests it, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think he’s pro-Palestinian, at least not in any functional way. I would say that he is anti-Israeli.

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Has he actually said anywhere that Jewish people are bad people and he wants to see them maligned or killed?

No. Not to my knowledge.

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Or has he defended Palestinians against what he perceives as Jewish wrongdoing?

I’m sure that’s exactly what he thinks he’s doing. Or he thinks a good controversy will sell his book, I’m not sure, possibly a combination.

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I mean, if someone defended the Jewish people against perceived Palestinian wrongdoings, would they be anti-Palestinian?

No one calls Carter anti-Israeli because he is defending Palestinians. He gets called anti-Israeli because, according to some of his own supporters, he holds an uncompromising view of Israel as a solely responsible for the conflict.

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Would anyone care about an Anti-Palite (heh) the way they might care about an anti-Semite?

Why wouldn’t they? In fact, this country has been high-strung about anti-Arab sentiment since 9/ll.

And Palestinians are Semitic, but generally the term is anti-Arab.

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If we were talking about Chinese people and Japanese people, would there be as much drama to it?

The Chinese and the Japanese aren’t killing each other anymore, but back when they did, yes, there was as much “drama” (whatever that means.)

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
What does that say about us?

What does what say about us?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Had he said that, I wouldn't have bought it either, but I didn't read it that way, and by his reaction to my post I think I read it right. I saw it as: "If over-sensitive, knee-jerk reactions propagated on the behalf of minority groups persist as the norm in contemporary society, in the long run more harm than good will be done." Very different wording, but I think the message is the same.

According to 6string, you evidently did read it right. And I don’t see anything wrong with your interpretation, in fact, I’m sympathetic to it.

I actually don’t know any oversensitive minorities. I haven’t since college, actually. But everyone’s oversensitive about something in college. I know many Jews and Jewish people; none of them ever push the Holocaust in my face. And I know many African-Americans, who never play the race-card. In college, there was always someone protesting how Whitey was keeping them down, but in the real world, that kind of stuff is largely fictitious. My boss is an African American woman for pet’s sake, and she’s got clout. She’s not small fry; when she talks people listen. Most of this oversensitive minorities stuff doesn’t come from the minorities. It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FLETCH2

Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:47 AM

Khyron, props for an incitefull and spot on analysis.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Most of this oversensitive minorities stuff doesn’t come from the minorities. It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.

I would have to agree with your assessment of the racism issue on the individual basis, though I wouldn't pin it on only the Left wing. This is bipartisan hatered, Repuglican and Demoncrat.

I've worked in a wide variety of jobs and although the pay wasn't great, I have to say that some of my most enjoyable jobs were production "back-room" jobs which consisted usually of unsteady hours, complete lack of benefits or job security, and usually $10.00/hr at best... usually under the table. These are the jobs you go to when you're desperate for work. When you've got a family to feed and you need the money and you're too proud to sit on your ass and collect a check you don't diserve. Most of the people I worked with didn't have cars and took the bus to work.

The reason these jobs were my favorite were the environment and the people, whom incidentally, were mostly black or mexican. I got to feel what it was like to be a minority when I worked those jobs, and I have to say, it wasn't bad at all. Sure, we had our differences in opinions on things or our mannarisms, but so does everybody. Like I've always said... "I don't like at least 90% of the people I've never met in my life and 95% of those people are white."

Any of our differences were due entirely to enviornment and had nothing to do with our skin color. One thing we usually were all able to agree on was how much of a jagoff our bosses were. The best thing about working with them, I thought, was that I never felt on guard about what I discussed around them. They'd give their little digs about my race and I'd give them right back, but we knew it was in jest and nobody ever got in a huff about it. In all honesty, I'm much more guarded around my fellow white employees (particularly women) when it comes to saying what's on my mind.

The criminal media and scheming politicians are to blame here. Any time race, sex, religion or sexuality is mentioned on TV it's for bad reasons and all they do is perpetuate anamosity between these groups. They consistantly show us all at our worst, and in the back of our minds we start to believe the hype. This is particularly true of perpetuating the belief that minorities are somehow owed something for things that happened years before by and to people who are all dead now, and now they should be able to sit around all day and complain while they collect a government check. Teach a man to fish... right? All minorities I've ever met don't believe this... that's because I go to work and the one's I meet are working with me. I've never met any of these degenerates who live off of our tax dollars, but they do exist and that needs to stop.

Hell... Jessie Jackson got rich off of it. He's one of the worst offenders here. My uncle, who is Jewish BTW, always says he wants Jessie's job. He doesn't do anything but make people hate each other and he's rich. My uncle doesn't want to make people hate each other, but is in awe of Jessie's ability to make money appear out of thin air. Even black people I've talked to think he's a jagoff... the same people who incidentally defended R Kelly the whole time he was pissing on underage girls. So that shows you where Jessie stands here.

When you do get a great black man, namely Bill Cosby, saying good things his entire life which IMHO have brought the races close together, stepping up and speaking out against the bullshit MTVized, caracatureized rap culture and how damaging it is to youth of all colors, somebody goes and pays some woman (see: whore) to come out and say that he tried to slip her drugs and rape her.

When have we heard from good old Bill since?

No... the problem is the media. They don't make any money if we're all happ

KHYRON

Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:31 AM

6string: Thanks for the kind words. Glad I could help out.

Finn: I agree with what you said, and I did already say something very similar (in that long post I made before). It's not so much the minorities as a whole who are the oversensitive ones, but the PC Police (as I called it), made up not only of members of that particular minority, who feel they have a right to be representative of the minorities as a whole on a particular issue. As I said in my one-sentence summation: "...propagated on the behalf of minority groups...". And as you said:

Quote:
It comes from largely Left-wing advocacy groups, politicians and activists who often seem to be preserving their own existence or advancing their own ideology more then benefiting anyone else.

Glad we agree (although not solely left-wing).

Fletch: Thanks for the props mate.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn: I agree with what you said, and I did already say something very similar (in that long post I made before). It's not so much the minorities as a whole who are the oversensitive ones, but the PC Police (as I called it), made up not only of members of that particular minority, who feel they have a right to be representative of the minorities as a whole on a particular issue.

Yes, and I thought that long post you made was very good. A good social commentary on this issue, from the point of view of an activist, is “The Thought Police,” by Tammy Bruce. Tammy Bruce explains from her own experience in NOW how advocacy groups employ brainwashing and cultism to influence their members.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CREVANREAVER

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:08 PM

Carter's now attacking the Simon Wiesenthal Center for criticizing him:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250673,00.html

CREVANREAVER

Friday, April 6, 2007 11:08 AM

The Anti-Semite in Chief is back.

http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=3428

Quote:
"Friends of Israel", Carter said today in his acceptance speech of the 2007 Ridenhour Courage Prize, subvert America's ability to be a Mideast peacemaker. We guess it does take a measure of "courage" to make a complete ass of oneself on every tribune one is offered and raise the antisemitic specter of the "all-powerful Jewish Lobby", rather than ponder the real-politik basis of the US-Israeli relationship. Provided, one is not a fool to begin with. And proving once more he is desperately ignorant of Middle Eastern realities and history, Carter even offers that "the growth of Islamic extremism and unprecedented hostility toward America" in the region is due to its support for Israel. Carter obviously ignores that the foremost theoreticians of modern Jihad, such as Sayyed Qutb, abhorred the USA even before it became a steadfast ally of Israel, or that in Islamist parlance, the USA are the "Great Satan" as opposed to Israel the "Little Satan", i.e., that Islamists hate the USA for what they perceive it to be: the main obstacle to the "re-Islamization" of the Arab-Muslim world and the Islamization of ours.

SHINYED

Friday, April 6, 2007 1:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
The Anti-Semite in Chief is back.

Jimmah Catah shits into his Arab-made diapers little turds that are shaped like swastikas. When he's not shitting into his diapers, he's busy sending Achminassholeijhad all his research papers & talking points on why Jews & Israel must be exterminated.

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, April 8, 2007 10:36 AM

I wouldn't be so hard on ole Jimmy. After all, without him, the greatest TV show of all time, Carter Country, would never have been created. Handle it, handle it!