So where is the opposition to Bush anyway ?

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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IMHO, the Federal Government does not bear all the onus for mistakes made - while acknowledging that mistakes were made..

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Actually, legally, yes they do (bear all the onus). Changes were made to the emergency response system this past January that puts the onus directly on the Federal government to be THE responding agency in a Federal State of Emergency. That was done to clear up the lines of authority that were so tangled during 9-11. Until then, FEMA was pretty much an afterthought in disaster situations... handing out papers for government loans for the most part.

Yes indeed mistakes were made at all levels (except, as far as I can tell, at the Mayoral level). But aside from the mistakes, there is the fact that the entire upper echelon of Bush's administration and Bush himself, did not interrupt their palns to actually deal with the disaster. While FEMA was foundering there was no follow-up. No- "How's it going? Is everything in place? Are people being rescued?" Bush stuck to his schedule for TWO DAYS after the levees broke before finally getting involved. What can one make of THAT??

Please don't think they give a shit.

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So you think the evacuation was run correctly ?



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No, the pre-hurricane evacuation it wasn't run correctly, but that wasn't Nagin's fault. The NOLA emergency plan (drafted with IEM contracted by FEMA) depended on people having their own transportation. That was a major flaw, but that was the plan. THe bus drivers had been dimissed and couldn't be recalled, and there wasn't anything Nagin could do except call for volunteers. Afterwards, when city and state resources were overwhelmed, FEMA bobbled. The Feds COULD have done, SHOULD have done a lot of things that they didn't do.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
No, the pre-hurricane evacuation it wasn't run correctly, but that wasn't Nagin's fault. The NOLA emergency plan (drafted with IEM contracted by FEMA) depended on people having their own transportation. That was a major flaw, but that was the plan. THe bus drivers had been dimissed and couldn't be recalled, and there wasn't anything Nagin could do except call for volunteers. Afterwards, when city and state resources were overwhelmed, FEMA bobbled. The Feds COULD have done, SHOULD have done a lot of things that they didn't do.

Please don't think they give a shit.

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What about people that could'nt be expected to evac on their own, for example hospital patients... one of the first things done in other scenarios I looked at was to clear out the hospitals to 1) Get those people out and 2) Clear needed space...

I would expand the same thinking to old age homes, etc... I would say the city and state would be on its own for say the first 24 hrs ( I would think the Feds could get a command group in place in that time ) While I realize that didn't happen, I think they should have performed better with what they had....

BTW Why were the bus drivers dismissed ?, surely some city employees were availible to step into other roles... Sanitation drivers and heavy equipment operators can surely drive buses... and in such a case I would hope step in without complaint... Here in Calgary, I know many city workers perform doubledutys in normal circumstance... electricians who drive snow clearing equipment during major storms etc to spell off the guys who normally do it and so on

Also I'm sure the city must have reviewed their responsibilitys with this NOLA plan, and A) If they couldn't hold their part should have either taken measures or caused a stink... and B) If their assessment of the plan ( people without transport ) was unreasonable, they should have made it an issue before the plan was approved...

I'm not saying the Feds are innocent, or the State... or the city either

Everyone needs to eat a piece of this





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It wasn't made clear why they were dismissed. EDITED TO ADD: It prolly had to do with being able to participate on the voluntary evacuation END EDIT There are several things that Nagin did according to the NOLA Disaster plan: He called a voluntary evacuation, he called a mandatory evacuation more than 24 hours ahead of landfall and he designated the Superdome as a refuge of last resort. ALL of this was in their emergency plan.

The first flaw in the plan was that it depended on people having their own transportation to get out of the city or get to shelters (or to refuges of last resort). Nagin sent buses to known collection points to take people to designated shelters. That was not in the plan, but he did it anyway. The second flaw is that there were no high-ground shelters. That would probably have taken state or Federal cooperation because I don't think it was anything Nagin could have arranged on his own.

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Originally posted by reallykaylee:
i'm 17!
*giggles*

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To bad. Guess my question should have been 'when's your birthday?'

H

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Originally posted by SignyM:
While FEMA was foundering there was no follow-up. No- "How's it going? Is everything in place? Are people being rescued?" Bush stuck to his schedule for TWO DAYS after the levees broke before finally getting involved. What can one make of THAT??

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Um...that he really didn't give a shit?

But he doesn't have to, does he Chrisisall

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Originally posted by SignyM:
It wasn't made clear why they were dismissed. EDITED TO ADD: It prolly had to do with being able to participate on the voluntary evacuation END EDIT There are several things that Nagin did according to the NOLA Disaster plan: He called a voluntary evacuation, he called a mandatory evacuation more than 24 hours ahead of landfall and he designated the Superdome as a refuge of last resort. ALL of this was in their emergency plan.

The first flaw in the plan was that it depended on people having their own transportation to get out of the city or get to shelters (or to refuges of last resort). Nagin sent buses to known collection points to take people to designated shelters. That was not in the plan, but he did it anyway. The second flaw is that there were no high-ground shelters. That would probably have taken state or Federal cooperation because I don't think it was anything Nagin could have arranged on his own.

Please don't think they give a shit.

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But the hospitals were not evacuated...

Usually this is done first, well ahead of the main evacuation, and to other hospitals out of the dangerzone... as some of these people would require constant care...

Seniors homes would be a close second in priority... I don't know if it is true, but I did read an account of such a home where these seniors were abandoned by the staff of the facility, and all died...



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Originally posted by lynchaj:

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Originally posted by reallykaylee:
i am just so sick and tired of people hating PEOPLE. it's the stupid party system that's to blame for creating so much hatred. curse necessary evils!

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I understand what you mean but politics is one of those necessary and unpleasant part of life. I consider it somewhat akin to death. Without death, there is no life. Without politics there is no community. It is human nature to struggle against one another and a necessary part of community and human society.

I may get blasted for that opinion, but there it is.

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of course i do own a shirt that says viva la reagan revolution . . . that looks just like one of those che shirts, BUT IT'S FUN! you've got to forgive me! (my friend has one that says "we'll always have clinton" and we wear them on the same day!)

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Hey, I have one of those! Cool!

High Five!

Andrew Lynch

PS, http://www.thoseshirts.com/reaganwt.html]

This one is much cooler in my book...





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