So where is the opposition to Bush anyway ?
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UPDATED: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 02:11
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Quote:
Originally posted by lynchaj:
I would rather have a principled, competent, effective, and sometimes unpopular President Bush than an unprincipled, incompetent, ineffective, but always popular President Bush.
Where to begin once again, again?
Ah, an ad hominem...
Andrew, you dumass!
What you have is an unprincipled, incompetent, ineffective, AND NOW unpopular President Bush.
I feel for you, no, really.
Hey, at least he's got job security for the next three years, despite the lies.
Yes, Andrew, the man lies.
And some little part of you lies too.
To yourself.
Stop lying to yourself, and apologize, RIGHT NOW!
Chrisisallontheattack
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Originally posted by rue:
So, let's hear it AJ, and let's start out with the first question:
Explain to me how the unecessary death of thousands is acceptable.
Oh, and have you stopped beating your wife?
Or:
Rue. Are you still turning tricks down at 42nd and Main?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Geezer,
Yes, you post a mean straw-man argument:
Quote:Do you really think I was saying these homes are to be placed in New Orleans? Can you stop twisting your ethics up in knots long enough to engage in an clean debate?
Since the New Orleans area is still mostly under water, It seems silly to drop mobile homes in and watch them float away.
A huge number of refugees from NO will not be able to return home for a long, long time - at least until the city is pumped out (weeks to months) and, for those structures ruined beyond repair, not until they are rebuilt. Without putting a number on it, it is far beyond the available FEMA mobile housing available. In other words, there is an undeniable demand.
This large number of people will need to be housed somewhere for the foreseable future. Will the two weeks you want to 'wait and see' change that?
Please don't think they give a shit - especially not Geezer.
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I don't like facts to get buried under Geezer's decoys, so here they are again:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/national/nationalspecial/11response.
html?hp&ex=1126411200&en=cd7ee70e1622076b&ei=5094&partner=homepage
... an initial examination of Katrina's aftermath demonstrates the extent to which the federal government failed to fulfill the pledge it made after the Sept. 11 attacks to face domestic threats as a unified, seamless force.
Federal Emergency Management Agency officials expected the state and city to direct their own efforts and ask for help as needed. Leaders in Louisiana and New Orleans, though, were so overwhelmed by the scale of the storm that they were not only unable to manage the crisis, but they were not always exactly sure what they needed. While local officials assumed that Washington would provide rapid and considerable aid, federal officials, weighing legalities and logistics, proceeded at a deliberate pace.
FEMA appears to have underestimated the storm, despite an extraordinary warning from the National Hurricane Center that it could cause "human suffering incredible by modern standards." The agency dispatched only 7 of its 28 urban search and rescue teams to the area before the storm hit and sent no workers at all into New Orleans until after Katrina passed on Monday, Aug. 29.
On Tuesday, a FEMA official who had just flown over the ravaged city by helicopter seemed to have trouble conveying to his bosses the degree of destruction, according to a New Orleans city councilwoman.
"He got on the phone to Washington, and I heard him say, 'You've got to understand how serious this is, and this is not what they're telling me, this is what I saw myself,' " the councilwoman, Cynthia Hedge-Morrell, recalled.
State and federal officials had spent two years working on a disaster plan to prepare for a massive storm, but it was incomplete and had failed to deal with two issues that proved most critical: transporting evacuees and imposing law and order.
The Louisiana National Guard, already stretched by the deployment of more than 3,000 troops to Iraq, was hampered when its New Orleans barracks flooded.
Partly because of the shortage of troops, violence raged inside the New Orleans convention center, which interviews show was even worse than previously described. Police SWAT team members found themselves plunging into the darkness, guided by the muzzle flashes of thugs' handguns, said Capt. Jeffrey Winn.
Oliver Thomas, the New Orleans City Council president, expressed a view shared by many in city and state government: that A NATIONAL DISASTER REQUIRES A NATIONAL RESPONSE.
Richard A. Falkenrath, a former homeland security adviser in the Bush White House, said the chief federal failure was not anticipating that the city and state would be so compromised. He said the response exposed "false advertising" about how the government has been transformed four years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"Frankly, I wasn't surprised that it went the way it did," Mr. Falkenrath said.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Geezer,
Yes, you post a mean straw-man argument:Quote:Do you really think I was saying these homes are to be placed in New Orleans? Can you stop twisting your ethics up in knots long enough to engage in an clean debate?
Since the New Orleans area is still mostly under water, It seems silly to drop mobile homes in and watch them float away.
A huge number of refugees from NO will not be able to return home for a long, long time - at least until the city is pumped out (weeks to months) and, for those structures ruined beyond repair, not until they are rebuilt. Without putting a number on it, it is far beyond the available FEMA mobile housing available. In other words, there is an undeniable demand.
This large number of people will need to be housed somewhere for the foreseable future. Will the two weeks you want to 'wait and see' change that?
Please don't think they give a shit - especially not Geezer.
Way to quote something out of context.
Geez. No matter where you want to put them, mobile homes need some basic infrastructure to be usable. If it isn't there, they are useless. The vast majority of people displaced by Katrina are somewhere where they can receive at least basic services: food, water, somewhere to sleep, medical attention. Would mobile homes without any hookups be better? Probably be more worthwhile to spend some time making sure any folks not in livable conditions get moved to them.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Explain to me how the unecessary death of thousands is acceptable.
Oh, and have you stopped beating your wife?
Where to begin ?
Ah, an ad hominem...
Geezer, you dumass!
What are they then, necessary deaths?
Chrisisall, who really likes all his dumass brothers, even though he calls them such
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Explain to me how the unecessary death of thousands is acceptable.
Oh, and have you stopped beating your wife?
Where to begin ?
Ah, an ad hominem...
Geezer, you dumass!
What are they then, necessary deaths?
Chrisisall, who really likes all his dumass brothers, even though he calls them such
OK then. Let's examine the statement "Explain to me how the unecessary death of thousands is acceptable."
This assumes, without any verification:
1. There are thousands of deaths.
2. they were all unnecessary.
3. anyone stated they were acceptable
4. (implied) they are all specifically Bush's fault.
And you talk about ad hominem?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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"No matter where you want to put them, mobile homes need some basic infrastructure to be usable. If it isn't there, they are useless." No shit, Sherlock. And if they aren't installed, utilities and all, they are also useless. But that's beyond FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers.
Let's see, why don't we house people for months on end on cruise ships? That makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it?
Better yet, have FEMA pay long-term hotel bills. That way at least business can get a slice of the action.
And Halliburton can do the response restoration. They're so good at it. Why, just look at Iraq ...
Please don't think they give a shit - especially Geezer.
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Geezer, this was a conversation between Lynch and myself. But since you saw fit to intrude, here is what you are defending:
First is information regarding FEMA's mandate and the authority of the President to call up the Nation Guard during a serious emergency (and absent a declaration of insurrection):
FEMA's mandate:
http://www.fema.gov/library/drcys.shtm
http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm
http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec401
All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary.
In any major disaster, the President may --
1. direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment, supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical, and advisory services) in support of State and local assistance efforts;
2. coordinate ALL disaster relief assistance (including voluntary assistance) provided by Federal agencies, private organizations, and State and local governments;
3. provide technical and advisory assistance to affected State and local governments for--
A. the performance of essential community services;
B. issuance of warnings of risks and hazards;
C. public health and safety information, including dissemination of such information;
D. provision of health and safety measures; and
E. management, control, and reduction of immediate threats to public health and safety; and
4. assist State and local governments in the distribution of medicine, food, and other consumable supplies, and emergency assistance.
Work and services to save lives and protect property
B. search and rescue, emergency medical care, emergency mass care, emergency shelter, and provision of food, water, medicine, and other essential needs, including movement of supplies or persons;
Second, the role of The National Guard:
http://www.arng.army.mil/about_us/protecting_our_world.asp
http://www.ang.af.mil/
During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status. While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RS21024.pdf
soldiers are often placed simply at the disposal and direction of the civil authorities as a kind of supplementary police, or posse comitatus ...
(Or) in the event “the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.” Such use of troops may be under the management of federal civilian authorities ... (such as FEMA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Homeland Security
TITLE 6 CHAPTER 1 SUBCHAPTER VIII Part H Sec. 466. Congress finds the following:
4. Nevertheless, by its express terms, the Posse Comitatus Act is not a complete barrier to the use of the Armed Forces for a range of domestic purposes, including law enforcement functions, when the use of the Armed Forces is authorized by Act of Congress or the President determines that the use of the Armed Forces is required to fulfill the President's obligations under the Constitution to respond promptly in time of war, insurrection, or other serious emergency.
5. Existing laws ... grant the President broad powers that may be invoked in the event of domestic emergenc
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Quote:No AJ. A LOT of people can detect the illegality of Bush's actions. Billions, in fact. Just not you. heh heh heh
OK, so are you saying that President Bush is doing or has done illegal things but somehow no one is able to detect in spite of literally thousands of people searching for it? You know that arguably the most public figure in the world is doing illegal things which cannot be detected?
Please don't think they give a shit.
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