Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd

POSTED BY: reaverfan
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REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 4:44 PM

And for one brief, shining moment, justice happened.

I am grateful that that evil piece of shit is going to prison, where he will be beaten and raped by people who are no different from him.

It's almost a surprise that a white piece of shit pig got what he deserved. Our work is far from done, fellow patriots, but this is a move in the right direction.

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 4:46 PM

PSA TO CONSERVATIVES Re: Derek Chauvin

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 7:02 PM

Nah.

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REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 8:23 PM

Convicted on all charges. But, don't let facts get in your way. You never have. Why start now?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 8:38 PM

It will be appealed and thrown out.

You can thank Maxine Waters and Biden* in particular when that happens.

And the fact that it wasn't murder.

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REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It will be appealed and thrown out.

You can thank Maxine Waters and Biden* in particular when that happens.

And the fact that it wasn't murder.

Totally divorced from reality.^

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:14 PM

The Right-Wing Meltdown Following Derek Chauvin’s Guilty Verdict Was Sickening

Of course it was. They're some sick fucks.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:19 PM

The jury has decided. They have facts that we don't have access to. But the verdict will probably be appealed. The justice system will continue to process....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The jury has decided. They have facts that we don't have access to. But the verdict will probably be appealed. The justice system will continue to process....

And the appeal will be denied, as usual. Dirty Derek is going to make lots of new friends in prison.

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:21 PM

1KIKI

Thursday, April 22, 2021 12:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The jury has decided. They have facts that we don't have access to. But the verdict will probably be appealed. The justice system will continue to process....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

There was this long-accepted train of 'thought' that went like this: Well, you weren't there in the moment. And cops just did what they thought they needed to do at the time they did it.

But imo there are things that need to be looked at and hard-line policies made AHEAD of time. For example - what's the need for continued use of force when a person is in handcuffs? Why put a person prone while they're in handcuffs? And if the person is spitting while in handcuffs, after you apply a spit hood, what's the need for continued use of force? If you imagine that somehow a person is going to flee while in handcuffs can police be issued leg restraints? And how about calling in EMTs if a person seems irrational?

I think police are trained that the person must be ABSOLUTELY STILL AND QUIET for the situation to be considered 'under control'. Because - somehow - wiggling and mouthing-off and are a threat. But that claim's never been backed by any science that I know of.

Instead of continuing the let cops do 'whatever', there needs to be actual facts and actual policies regarding any use of force.

OLDGUY

Thursday, April 22, 2021 1:42 AM

that Floyd was the best poster child the "community" could come up with ..to plaster his image everywhere, to loot, burn, injure others...that says all there really is to say about this larger "race" issue. Evidence? how bout, none of this should have ever happened if George was such a great "man of God".

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:10 AM

He gave his ex an abortion the hard way.

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REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OLDGUY:
that Floyd was the best poster child the "community" could come up with ..to plaster his image everywhere, to loot, burn, injure others...that says all there really is to say about this larger "race" issue. Evidence? how bout, none of this should have ever happened if George was such a great "man of God".

We didn't make him the poster boy. You did, racist piece of shit.

Nobody said he was any sort of hero. It's just standard practice among racists like yourself to blame the victim.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:47 AM

We knew that Derek Chauvin was guilty—Floyd's murder was caught on film for the world to see. Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes as Floyd cried out "I can't breathe," but even this was no guarantee that Chauvin would be held accountable. The American justice system is built on foundations of white supremacy and the protections the system offers cops who commit acts of violence against Black and brown people are extraordinary. Chauvin's own history in the Minneapolis Police Department proves that, as he had 18 complaints filed against him before he murdered George Floyd, but was allowed to continue on in his job because the system successfully shielded him from accountability time and time again.

It took extraordinary pressure from protesters in Minneapolis and across the country for nearly a year to earn even this small victory, and we need to recognize this as a victory for those activists—not a victory for the system. The system is still broken and we need to keep fighting to fix it.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:30 AM

Tucker Carlson Completely LOSES IT Over Chauvin Verdict

SECOND

Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:45 PM

Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries

Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

by Alexi Jones and Wendy Sawyer, June 5, 2020

There is no question that the number of police killings of civilians in the U.S. – who are disproportionately Black and other people of color – are the result of policies and practices that enable and even encourage police violence. Compared to police in other wealthy democracies, American police kill civilians at incredibly high rates:

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/policekillings_rates.webp

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 22, 2021 6:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

You know you always make the argument about more guns and more violence here.

Sounds like it's in line with the higher rate of violent crime here than other wealthy nations. This violence is almost exclusively in minority communities.

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SECOND

Thursday, April 22, 2021 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

You know you always make the argument about more guns and more violence here.

Sounds like it's in line with the higher rate of violent crime here than other wealthy nations. This violence is almost exclusively in minority communities.

You sound like Trump, except briefer:

Quote:
President Donald Trump on Thursday defended what was perhaps his most notorious remark on the campaign trail about Mexicans — a comment that was widely perceived as racist and helped solidify his reputation as an immigration hardliner.

In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."

He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Trump referred to those comments on Thursday during a televised discussion on
taxes that veered into immigration.

"Remember my opening remarks at Trump Tower when I opened — everyone said, 'Oh, he was so tough.' I used the word 'rape,'" Trump said.

"And yes, it came out where this journey coming up — women are raped at levels that nobody's ever seen before," he continued. "They don't want to mention that. So we have to change our laws. And the Democrats, what they're doing is just — it's insanity. Nobody understands what's going on."

By the way, 6ix, Trump is a big fat idiot.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mexicans-rapists-remark-referenc
e-2018-4

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:24 PM

The history of police killing children in America

According to a study by researchers at the Children’s National Hospital, Black children are six times more likely to be fatally shot by police than white children.

A study published in 2014 showed that Black children are often perceived as older than their white counterparts of the same age. The study reported that police officers “overestimated the age of Black and Latino child crime suspects. White children, on the other hand, were not subjected to such overestimations.” An officer sees a nonwhite child as a threat capable of inflicting harm which seamlessly translates to a willingness to kill them. Black and brown children are being cheated of the protection that society should offer them because officers view them as adults.

The Chicago PD has killed more young people than any other local law enforcement agency in the country. The Columbus PD is a close second.

More at https://www.vox.com/22394326/makhia-bryant-adam-toledo-police-killing

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:36 PM

Police violence, cliques, and secret tattoos: fears rise over LA sheriff 'gangs'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/05/police-violence-clique
s-and-secret-tattoos-fears-rise-over-la-sheriff-gangs

In L.A. County, Gangs Wear Badges
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/l-a-county-sheriffs-department
-has-a-gang-problem.html

Cops see killing black people as a badge of honor. It gets them in the gang. You're not really a cop until you've murdered a black kid.

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 23, 2021 12:55 AM

Derek Chauvin, 45, is pictured in his prison jumpsuit on his first night in Oak Park Heights maximum security prison where he's placed on suicide watch ahead of sentencing in eight weeks
The Minnesota Department of Corrections released the new booking photo on Wednesday morning as Derek Chauvin woke up from his first night at MCF-Oak Park Heights
He is being closely watched by guards to ensure his safety, not just as a suicide risk, but also from other inmates with violent criminal histories, many of whom resent law enforcement
Cheers erupted outside courthouse on Tuesday as Chauvin was found guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the death of George Floyd
Chauvin faces a minimum sentence of 12.5 years and maximum of 40 years for second-degree murder
The former cop is expected to file a swift appeal of his conviction
Celebrations took place across US as President Biden pledged to push through civil rights reforms after calling the killing of George Floyd a 'stain on nation's soul'
Biden's Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into the Minneapolis Police Department's policing practices
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9494507/Derek-Chauvin-45-take
n-maximum-security-prison-placed-suicide-watch.html

God bless the lifesaving heroes of Antifa and BLM.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 23, 2021 2:05 AM

You're just a parody account at this point.

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SECOND

Friday, April 23, 2021 4:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're just a parody account at this point.

Sesame Street Police Shoot New Black Muppet After Mistaking the Number 7 for Firearm

“I, for one, thank local authorities for maintaining safety within the thoroughfares of our municipality,” claimed Sesame Street Republican committee leader Sam the Eagle.

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/sesame-street-police-shoot-new-black-
muppet-after-mistaking-the-number-7-for-firearm/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 23, 2021 8:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 23, 2021 9:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're just a parody account at this point.
Sesame Street Police Shoot New Black Muppet After Mistaking the Number 7 for Firearm

“I, for one, thank local authorities for maintaining safety within the thoroughfares of our municipality,” claimed Sesame Street Republican committee leader Sam the Eagle.

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/sesame-street-police-shoot-new-black-
muppet-after-mistaking-the-number-7-for-firearm/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There you go Roomba.

At least try to insert a bit of humor in your satire.

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REAVERFAN

Friday, April 23, 2021 11:29 PM

Looks as if Chauvin is a serial suffocator.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/4/23/2027293/-Looks-as-if-Chauvi
n-is-a-serial-suffocator

Turns out he's done this before, back in 2017.

Late last year, as a team of Minnesota state prosecutors was preparing for the trial that would ultimately convict former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of murdering George Floyd, they received a series of videos depicting Chauvin's handling of another case three years earlier that by their own description shocked them.

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 23, 2021 11:31 PM

DOJ weighs charging Chauvin for 2017 incident involving Black teen
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/doj-weighs-charging-chauvin-for-2
017-incident-involving-black-teen-source/ar-BB1fYGCE?ocid=msedgdhp

The videos, from Sept. 4, 2017, allegedly showed Chauvin striking a Black teenager in the head so hard that the boy needed stitches, then allegedly holding the boy down with his knee for nearly 17 minutes, and allegedly ignoring complaints from the boy that he couldn't breathe.

"Those videos show a far more violent and forceful treatment of this child than Chauvin describes in his report" of the incident, one of the state prosecutors, Matthew Frank, wrote in a court filing at the time.

Now, the U.S. Justice Department may do something that state prosecutors never did: charge Chauvin for the 2017 incident.

Two months ago, federal prosecutors in Minneapolis brought witnesses before a federal grand jury to provide testimony related to the incident, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported at the time. And this week, a source informed of the probe told ABC News that the investigation is still underway, with the Justice Department still weighing whether to bring federal charges against Chauvin for both the 2017 incident and George Floyd's death.
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Racist, murderous, Nazi pig.

No wonder 6ix loves him so much.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 24, 2021 2:04 AM

Show me where I said I love him.

I'm no fan of police and have a long post history here to prove that.

It's you America-hating wannabe terrorists that just keep pushing reasonable folks further and further to the right.

He will be acquitted and it will be thrown out. Don't worry about that.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:41 AM

So I want to get back to this for a bit. I haven't really been following this, but I recently read that the prosecution charged Chauvin with two counts of murder AND manslaughter, all for the same event. And the jury found him guilty of all three!

On the face of it, that seems ludicrous. The difference between murder and manslaughter is intention. You can't kill someone both intentionally AND unintentionally.

Just from a layperson's POV, I don't think Chauvin intended to kill anyone. He was using an approved hold. But the hold is only meant to be used while handcuffing, not on a cuffed suspect. Especially not one in distress. There are many points at which Chauvin SHOULD have taken his knee off, but he didn't. My guess is he'd done that many times b4 and so he was careless and maybe callous and grossly mishandled the situation, but death was not the intended outcome.

So I wonder what the jury was thinking, and why they convicted someone of two mutually exclusive crimes.

Or maybe they're as stupid as THUGR, TWITCHY, REAVERBOT, and SECONDRATE? Or maybe they were intimidated by the prospect of mob violence?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:06 PM

They aren't stupid. They were TERRIFIED at what would happen to them and their families if they didn't walk away from that building giving a guilty verdict for all charges.

But you bring up a good point.

An appeal is happening 100%, no doubt.

But now not only can they use Maxine's and Biden*'s rhetoric during the case against the verdict, but the very nature of the verdict itself.

The question "why" will now be asked. Why did they find him guilty on two mutually exclusive charges?

There is only one answer to that question, and it's probably what ultimately sets a martyr free.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:32 PM

Chicago murders up 55% from year prior. 769 homicides. 78% black.

Meanwhile... one unarmed black man in Chicago was shot in that time.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/21/crime-rates-spike-as-
social-warriors-take-charge/

It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

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REAVERFAN

Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:21 PM

Roaming Charges: The Eyes of Derek Chauvin
https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/23/roaming-charges-the-eyes-of-de
rek-chauvin/

Derek Chauvin never lost control. He wasn’t the officer who arrested George Floyd on a petty complaint about a fake $20 bill. He wasn’t the officer who pulled his gun and screamed profanities at an obviously frightened, non-threatening man. He didn’t place the cuffs on so tightly they cut into the wrists and slowed the blood flow to Floyd’s hands. Chauvin didn’t shove Floyd into the cramped backseat of the police cruiser, ignoring his anxiety about being trapped in such a confined space. Chauvin didn’t brutally hurl Floyd to the street. Chauvin didn’t lose his cool. He didn’t raise his voice. He remained calm, as he got on top of Floyd, jammed his knee into his throat, and pinned his body to the pavement, pressing it down, squeezing the veins and arteries shut. He didn’t allow himself to be distracted as the crowd shouted at him, as Floyd’s lungs writhed for breath, as the EMTs searched for a pulse, finding none. As he released his knee from Floyd’s lifeless body, his expression didn’t change. He remained in control.

Isn’t that the scariest part? It is for me. Derek Chauvin didn’t act on impulse. He didn’t act out of fear. He didn’t act out of anger or in response to a threat against his own life. He didn’t make a split-second decision. He didn’t let his emotions get the better of him.

Derek Chauvin was in control. That’s why the other officers didn’t intervene. He wasn’t acting out of line. He wasn’t ranting. He wasn’t verbally taunting Floyd. He wasn’t beating him. He wasn’t letting any of the chaotic circumstances get under his skin. He was steady, just keeping the pressure on, minute after minute, calmly responding to Floyd’s frantic plea that he couldn’t breathe by saying with not even the faintest edge to his voice: “Then stop talking, stop yelling. It takes heck of a lot of oxygen to talk.” That’s what cold-blooded murder looks and sounds like. It’s methodical. It’s clinical. It’s emotionally detached.

So the question is: was Derek Chauvin born this way or was this learned behavior. Was he born to kill or trained to? All of those latter-day eugenicists proclaiming the existent of a “violence” gene would do well to scrutinize his DNA profile. But in a sense it hardly matters. Derek Chauvin was the kind of police officer America wanted. One who didn’t get distracted. One who had a method and followed it. One who didn’t get ruffled. One who wasn’t impetuous or boisterous or overtly racist. One who didn’t lose his cool One stayed in control.

Now they want to wash their hands of him and his methods. Now they want to say he was a rogue cop, a rule-breaker, a bad officer, a sadist, a vigilante. They can cut him adrift, lock him up, isolate him. But they can’t wipe away the truth. Derek was one of them. He was no rookie. He had roamed the streets for 19 years. He was a known quantity. If the police didn’t create Derek Chauvin, they recruited him, rewarded his methods, admired his calm demeanor, placed him in control.

I return one more time to the fatal footage. I pause the video and scan his face, looking for something, anything that might explain how he could do what he did. But when you gaze into the eyes of Derek Chauvin, as he squeezes the last breath out of a human being under his total control, you see nothing. And that nothingness looks right back at you.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

Because the pigs love to murder black people. Racists love to ghettoize them.

Racists like you.

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Roaming Charges: The Eyes of Derek Chauvin
https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/23/roaming-charges-the-eyes-of-de
rek-chauvin/

Derek Chauvin never lost control. He wasn’t the officer who arrested George Floyd on a petty complaint about a fake $20 bill. He wasn’t the officer who pulled his gun and screamed profanities at an obviously frightened, non-threatening man. He didn’t place the cuffs on so tightly they cut into the wrists and slowed the blood flow to Floyd’s hands. Chauvin didn’t shove Floyd into the cramped backseat of the police cruiser, ignoring his anxiety about being trapped in such a confined space. Chauvin didn’t brutally hurl Floyd to the street. Chauvin didn’t lose his cool. He didn’t raise his voice. He remained calm, as he got on top of Floyd, jammed his knee into his throat, and pinned his body to the pavement, pressing it down, squeezing the veins and arteries shut. He didn’t allow himself to be distracted as the crowd shouted at him, as Floyd’s lungs writhed for breath, as the EMTs searched for a pulse, finding none. As he released his knee from Floyd’s lifeless body, his expression didn’t change. He remained in control.

Isn’t that the scariest part? It is for me. Derek Chauvin didn’t act on impulse. He didn’t act out of fear. He didn’t act out of anger or in response to a threat against his own life. He didn’t make a split-second decision. He didn’t let his emotions get the better of him.

Derek Chauvin was in control. That’s why the other officers didn’t intervene. He wasn’t acting out of line. He wasn’t ranting. He wasn’t verbally taunting Floyd. He wasn’t beating him. He wasn’t letting any of the chaotic circumstances get under his skin. He was steady, just keeping the pressure on, minute after minute, calmly responding to Floyd’s frantic plea that he couldn’t breathe by saying with not even the faintest edge to his voice: “Then stop talking, stop yelling. It takes heck of a lot of oxygen to talk.” That’s what cold-blooded murder looks and sounds like. It’s methodical. It’s clinical. It’s emotionally detached.

So the question is: was Derek Chauvin born this way or was this learned behavior. Was he born to kill or trained to? All of those latter-day eugenicists proclaiming the existent of a “violence” gene would do well to scrutinize his DNA profile. But in a sense it hardly matters. Derek Chauvin was the kind of police officer America wanted. One who didn’t get distracted. One who had a method and followed it. One who didn’t get ruffled. One who wasn’t impetuous or boisterous or overtly racist. One who didn’t lose his cool One stayed in control.

Now they want to wash their hands of him and his methods. Now they want to say he was a rogue cop, a rule-breaker, a bad officer, a sadist, a vigilante. They can cut him adrift, lock him up, isolate him. But they can’t wipe away the truth. Derek was one of them. He was no rookie. He had roamed the streets for 19 years. He was a known quantity. If the police didn’t create Derek Chauvin, they recruited him, rewarded his methods, admired his calm demeanor, placed him in control.

I return one more time to the fatal footage. I pause the video and scan his face, looking for something, anything that might explain how he could do what he did. But when you gaze into the eyes of Derek Chauvin, as he squeezes the last breath out of a human being under his total control, you see nothing. And that nothingness looks right back at you.

No, this is not "cold blooded murder", ya boob. Emotional control is how police are SUPPOSED to act.

Do you WANT police to be acting out of panic, or anger, or hyped- up adrenaline?

I'm pretty sure Chauvin did not intend for Floyd to die. He fucked up.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:49 PM

Quote:
6ixStringJack:
It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

REAVERBOT: Because the pigs love to murder black people. Racists love to ghettoize them. Racists like you.

Do you seriously expect us to believe that cops shot 1000-6000 ppl in the past year?

C'mon, when police are acting under a microscope, this wouldn't have escaped notice!

Nah, what REALLY escapes notice is black-on-black, and black-on-everyone-else crime. Because, yanno, blacks are automatically victims of "the system" which means that their crimes are automatically excused.

So sayeth BLM/Antifa.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
6ixStringJack:
It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

REAVERBOT: Because the pigs love to murder black people. Racists love to ghettoize them. Racists like you.
Do you seriously expect us to believe that cops shot 1000-6000 ppl in the past year?

C'mon, when police are acting under a microscope, this wouldn't have escaped notice!

Nah, what REALLY escapes notice is black-on-black, and black-on-everyone-else crime. Because, yanno, blacks are automatically victims of "the system" which means that their crimes are automatically excused.

So sayeth BLM/Antifa.

I understand that since you're Russian, your English comprehension isn't very good.
That, and you're an idiot, anyway.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
6ixStringJack:
It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

REAVERBOT: Because the pigs love to murder black people. Racists love to ghettoize them. Racists like you.
Do you seriously expect us to believe that cops shot 1000-6000 ppl in the past year?

C'mon, when police are acting under a microscope, this wouldn't have escaped notice!

Nah, what REALLY escapes notice is black-on-black, and black-on-everyone-else crime. Because, yanno, blacks are automatically victims of "the system" which means that their crimes are automatically excused.

So sayeth BLM/Antifa.

I understand that since you're Russian, your English comprehension isn't very good.
That, and you're an idiot, anyway.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:13 AM

Right-Wing Activists Attack Conviction of Derek Chauvin, Engage in Whataboutism
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/right-wing-activists-attack-convic
tion-of-derek-chauvin-engage-in-whataboutism/?utm_source=rww&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bestof

Wow! They do that here, too!

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:26 AM

So, do you seriously expect us to believe that cops killed an additional 1000-6000 people last year?

NOPE, not engaging in "whataboutism": That would be you!

No, I'm actually questioning the basis of the charges and conviction of Chauvin.

Aside from "mind reading" -and doing a piss-poor job of it - and name calling, do you have anything to say?

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1KIKI

Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I want to get back to this for a bit. I haven't really been following this, but I recently read that the prosecution charged Chauvin with two counts of murder AND manslaughter, all for the same event. And the jury found him guilty of all three!

On the face of it, that seems ludicrous. The difference between murder and manslaughter is intention. You can't kill someone both intentionally AND unintentionally.

Just from a layperson's POV, I don't think Chauvin intended to kill anyone. He was using an approved hold. But the hold is only meant to be used while handcuffing, not on a cuffed suspect. Especially not one in distress. There are many points at which Chauvin SHOULD have taken his knee off, but he didn't. My guess is he'd done that many times b4 and so he was careless and maybe callous and grossly mishandled the situation, but death was not the intended outcome.

So I wonder what the jury was thinking, and why they convicted someone of two mutually exclusive crimes.

Or maybe they're as stupid as THUGR, TWITCHY, REAVERBOT, and SECONDRATE? Or maybe they were intimidated by the prospect of mob violence?

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They convicted him of second degree murder, which doesn't require intent.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:58 AM

Ok, so he wasn't convicted on three charges, only one?

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1KIKI

Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:10 AM

Quote:
Derek Chauvin never lost control.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, this is not "cold blooded murder", ya boob. Emotional control is how police are SUPPOSED to act.

Do you WANT police to be acting out of panic, or anger, or hyped- up adrenaline?

I'm pretty sure Chauvin did not intend for Floyd to die. He fucked up.

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That's why I think there needs to be a 'bright line' policy about putting people prone or restraining them physically AFTER they're handcuffed. There's been too much 'whatever they felt they needed to do at the time' allowance made, based on unexamined assumptions.

1KIKI

Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, so he wasn't convicted on three charges, only one?

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He was convicted of 3, but I don't think they're mutually exclusive. This might be an example of "throwing the book at him".

Given how vague it seems 'use of force' policies are, though, I think Chauvin acted within policy.

I ALSO think that there's an assumption that for a person to be deemed 'complaint', they need to not be speaking, or moving, AT ALL. And that seemed to be what Cauvin was acting out of, which I think a LOT of cops act out of. I can see how - if a person is unrestrained - one might be concerned that any movement might be them reaching for a weapon. But AFTER they're in cuffs? I truly think there are just too many assumptions in the whole 'use of force' topic, and another one of them is 'compliance'.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Second+degree+murder
second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
6ixStringJack:
It's estimated that 1,000 to 6,000 more deaths occurred last year in cities where BLM protested.

REAVERBOT: Because the pigs love to murder black people. Racists love to ghettoize them. Racists like you.
Do you seriously expect us to believe that cops shot 1000-6000 ppl in the past year?

C'mon, when police are acting under a microscope, this wouldn't have escaped notice!

Nope. I didn't say that. Neither did the article I linked.

Quote:
Nah, what REALLY escapes notice is black-on-black, and black-on-everyone-else crime.

That's what the article said.

Quote:
Because, yanno, blacks are automatically victims of "the system" which means that their crimes are automatically excused.

So sayeth BLM/Antifa.

Yup.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:44 AM

Oh... my bad.

I just realized that question was directed at the mindless Roombot.

Carry on.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:48 AM

2nd degree murder is intentional but not premeditated .

So, for example, road rage. Some guy cuts you off dangerously, you see red, force him off to the side of the road, grab a tire iron and fully intend to beat him to death.

Heat of passion.

I know different states have different statutory definitions of murder, but by and large (I looked up the diff between murder and manslaughter) murder is intentional, further subdivided between premeditated and not, and manslaughter is unintentional.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/manslaughter-vs-murder/
So unless Minnesota's laws are very strange, you can't be convicted of murder of of 1st or 2nd degree, and manslaughter at the same time. (Minnesota is one of a few states that recognizes third degree murder, which usually means murder in the commission of a felony crime.)

There is probably a problem with "use of force" in policing. Some forces, and some cops, require complete and total submission. Doesn't work when dealing with someone high, crazy, sick, or intellectually impaired.

To get back to Chauvin: in order to convict of murder, you have to believe that he intended to kill Floyd. And then you need to drop the manslaughter charge, bc the two are mutually exclusive.

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1KIKI

Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:58 AM

Oh, OK - our definitions seem to differ. But I didn't spend much time on mine, so yours is probably more complete.

Anyway, I think there needs to be some bright-line policies about use of force/ prone positioning AFTER handcuffs (spit hoods) are on. They would protect both the person in custody as well as the police. I think when policies are vague, that makes for shifting interpretations depending on the whims of the moment: in the field, in public opinion, and in the courtroom.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 6:24 AM

Let's not forget that dude was bigger than Michael Clarke Duncan and the cop was about 60% of his body weight.

We'd be having a much different conversation if Floyd was Snoop Dogg.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:37 PM

This is an unpopular verdict...

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-trust-law-enforcement-desire-pro
tect-law-and-order-rise

(This, coming from a polling firm which is skewed heavily to the left and was regularly an outlier showing much lower ratings for Trump's approval than the average in the aggregate... so the numbers are likely even worse for the outcome of the trial.)

Quote:
For example, now, far fewer Americans personally believe George Floyd was murdered (36%) compared to last summer (60%). Though slightly more believe it was an accident (8%, up from 3%), much of this shift has been to respondents saying they don’t know. Currently, 17% say they don’t know how to characterize Floyd’s death, up from 4% in June.

36% think it was murder. That leaves between 1 and 2 out of 5 Democrats even believing that Floyd wasn't murdered... On a poll done by a polling firm that regularly polls more Democrats than Republicans and Independents combined.

Between that, the Legacy Media not shutting the fuck up about it, Maxine and Biden* not shutting the fuck up about it, and a weird outcome where he was charged guilty both of premeditated murder AND manslaughter, it won't be long until he appeals and is acquitted of all charges.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:37 PM

This is an unpopular verdict...

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-trust-law-enforcement-desire-pro
tect-law-and-order-rise

(This, coming from a polling firm which is skewed heavily to the left and was regularly an outlier showing much lower ratings for Trump's approval than the average in the aggregate... so the numbers are likely even worse for the outcome of the trial.)

Quote:
For example, now, far fewer Americans personally believe George Floyd was murdered (36%) compared to last summer (60%). Though slightly more believe it was an accident (8%, up from 3%), much of this shift has been to respondents saying they don’t know. Currently, 17% say they don’t know how to characterize Floyd’s death, up from 4% in June.

36% think it was murder. That leaves between 1 and 2 out of 5 Democrats even believing that Floyd wasn't murdered... On a poll done by a polling firm that regularly polls more Democrats than Republicans and Independents combined.

Between that, the Legacy Media not shutting the fuck up about it, Maxine and Biden* not shutting the fuck up about it, and a weird outcome where he was charged guilty both of premeditated murder AND manslaughter, it won't be long until he appeals and is acquitted of all charges.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:54 PM

Congratulations though. You probably did ruin the rest of this man's life.

He'll likely never be a cop again. And I doubt very much he can even get a job in the future as a WalMart greeter. You'll be able to find him at Home Depot with the illegal aliens at 6:00AM looking for under the table day jobs.

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SECOND

Sunday, April 25, 2021 11:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This is an unpopular verdict...

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-trust-law-enforcement-desire-pro
tect-law-and-order-rise

(This, coming from a polling firm which is skewed heavily to the left and was regularly an outlier showing much lower ratings for Trump's approval than the average in the aggregate... so the numbers are likely even worse for the outcome of the trial.)

Quote:
For example, now, far fewer Americans personally believe George Floyd was murdered (36%) compared to last summer (60%). Though slightly more believe it was an accident (8%, up from 3%), much of this shift has been to respondents saying they don’t know. Currently, 17% say they don’t know how to characterize Floyd’s death, up from 4% in June.

36% think it was murder. That leaves between 1 and 2 out of 5 Democrats even believing that Floyd wasn't murdered... On a poll done by a polling firm that regularly polls more Democrats than Republicans and Independents combined.

Between that, the Legacy Media not shutting the fuck up about it, Maxine and Biden* not shutting the fuck up about it, and a weird outcome where he was charged guilty both of premeditated murder AND manslaughter, it won't be long until he appeals and is acquitted of all charges.

If you dislike the verdict, blame the prosecuting attorneys. They are the ones who could have let Derek Chauvin NOT go to trial. I've seen District Attorneys in Texas decide NOT to prosecute police so I'm pretty sure D.A.s in all states can do whatever pleases themselves. The prosecutors are the ones who decided the charges. If they had wanted, the prosecutors could have instructed the jury to pick ONLY ONE OF THE THREE CHARGES, either a) or b) or c). If the jury had picked two or more, the jury could have been sent back to deliberate until they settle on only one charge.

Apr 20, 2021 at 3:37 pm ET
What to Know About the Charges Against Derek Chauvin
By Jacob Gershman
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/derek-chauvin-trial-verdict/card/n7IN
CNYWbtBSyXFXXqP2

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin faced three charges in his trial: murder in the second degree while committing a felony, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

The charges require the jury to conclude that Mr. Chauvin caused Mr. Floyd’s death, even if unintentionally, meaning that his prolonged kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck and back was at least a “substantial causal factor” in his death, though not necessarily the only factor. All the charges require proof that the force used to restrain Mr. Floyd was unreasonable.

The most serious charge against Mr. Chauvin is second-degree unintentional murder. Also known as felony murder, the charge requires proof that Mr. Chauvin killed Mr. Floyd while committing a felony, specifically third-degree assault. That means the jury would have to conclude that not only did Mr. Chauvin cause Mr. Floyd’s death, but at the time he was killing him, Mr. Chauvin was assaulting or attempting to assault him by intentionally applying unlawful and nonconsensual force that resulted in substantial bodily harm.

Third-degree murder requires proof that Mr. Chauvin caused Mr. Floyd’s death by “perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life,” according to the Minnesota statute. Third-degree murder is typically applied to more indiscriminate killings, such as spraying bullets into a crowd. A pending legal dispute in Minnesota over how to interpret the language in the third-degree murder statute makes that charge more vulnerable to an appeal, according to legal experts.

The jury also has the option of convicting Mr. Chauvin of second-degree manslaughter, the lesser charge of the three. For that offense, the jury would need to conclude that Mr. Floyd died as a result of Mr. Chauvin’s culpable negligence or recklessness. It’s the same charge leveled against the former police officer who fatally shot 20-year-old Daunte Wright.

Mr. Cha

REAVERFAN

Monday, April 26, 2021 12:29 AM

His guilt is not a matter of opinion.

Sounds like the "legacy media" is doing a fine job of promoting the fascism you so love.

SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 1:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
His guilt is not a matter of opinion.

Sounds like the "legacy media" is doing a fine job of promoting the fascism you so love.

There were at least 72 incidents of cars driving into protesters over a relatively short span in 2020, from May 27 through July 7. GOP lawmakers are responding to Black Lives Matter protests by making it legal to kill protestors with a car.
https://www.vox.com/2021/4/25/22367019/gop-laws-oklahoma-iowa-florida-
floyd-blm-protests-police

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 26, 2021 5:22 AM

Play in the street, get what you deserve.

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SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 6:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Play in the street, get what you deserve.

In Florida, you can legally commit homicide with a car to protect a Confederate Monument. Wow! Super!
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1384941267801489412/photo/1

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 26, 2021 8:35 AM

The car always wins

This Public Service Announcement brought to you by the common sense gene that most college "educated" Millennials appear to be lacking.

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SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 3:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

The car always wins

This Public Service Announcement brought to you by the common sense gene that most college "educated" Millennials appear to be lacking.

Another thing Texas Trumptards believe, after being sued: it is not morally wrong to hit a bicyclist, except children on bikes, because it should be illegal to ride in the streets. While I'm a passenger I have had to listen to an angry Trumptard driver swearing at, blowing the horn, and swerving close to bicyclists. Trumptards drivers see bicyclists as limiting a Trumptard's freedom to do what he wants on the road and freedom is the most important value for a Trumptard, more than acting decent. Trumptards don't hit the bicyclists only because that would be inconvenient for the Trumptard. As for obligations to be decent to the bicyclists? Trumptards don't care when the bicyclist is an adult wearing spandex clothing. The psychology of Trumptard v bicyclist is very annoying to this libtard. I will break cover and tell the Trumptard loud and clear what I think when I see them do something rude and nasty around a bicyclist and I won't use the argument that it would be inconvenient for completing the car ride if the Trumptard hits a bicycle.

Bicycle Deaths -- The number of preventable deaths from bicycle transportation incidents increased 6% in 2019 and have increased 37% in the last 10 years, from 793 in 2010 to 1,089 in 2019. At the same time, the number of preventable nonfatal injuries has declined 40%, from 515,861 in 2010 to 308,864 in 2019.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/bicycle-d
eaths/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 26, 2021 4:13 PM

I know someone who used to bike to work and back (from Pasadena to downtown LA) and he has some hair-raisig stories to tell about almost being knocked down and run over. In California.

You assume that when someone does something you don't like, they must be a Trump supporter.

Trust me, son, there are asshole Democrats too.

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SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I know someone who used to bike to work and back (from Pasadena to downtown LA) and he has some hair-raisig stories to tell about almost being knocked down and run over. In California.

You assume that when someone does something you don't like, they must be a Trump supporter.

Trust me, son, there are asshole Democrats too.

You assume wrong, Signym. I was riding inside the cars when these car v bicyclist stories happened. I know the drivers. They are Trumptards.

When I tell Trumptard stories, I'm not a visitor or tourist in Trumptard country who is looking at the surface of things and then writing a libtard's viewpoint for The New Yorker. I am on the inside where I know the Trumptards, things about them that even they seem unaware about themselves, flaws in their thinking that make life a struggle for them to stay in the middle class.

I can't repeat this too many times, and I've never known a Trumptard to truly understand, but it is very straightforward and simple to rise higher in America if you understand it. If you don't, and Trumptards don't, America is the most endlessly frustrating and difficult place to live.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 26, 2021 6:42 PM

"Trumptard" is just Second's "Nazi".

I, myself, prefer not to mince words and just call an asshole an asshole.

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SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 10:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
"Trumptard" is just Second's "Nazi".

I, myself, prefer not to mince words and just call an asshole an asshole.

I've seen the words Trumpism and Trumpist used instead of the impolite Trumptard, which hints at Trumpists being retarded. Trumpists, in my experience with Texans, actually are retarded, but I am biased against the way they approach problem-solving at work, in private life and in politics. Trumpists are easily frightened and confused by unfamiliar difficulties or situations and do not know how to solve non-routine problems other than to get angry and shout NO! NO! NO!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism

An interview with the prosecutor Keith Ellison convinces me that if he had been white he would have chosen to NOT prosecute Derek Chauvin. It is a suspicion or a counterfactual that will only become a fact if an appellate court throws out the conviction and the next trial of Chauvin is handled by a white prosecutor who decides there is not enough reason to bring the case to trial. To make it clear, Chauvin is guilty as hell in my opinion and Chauvin should have given testimony by having a knee placed on his neck for 9 minutes to see if Chauvin survives. If he dies, he was guilty the first time he was convicted.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/derek-chauvin-prosecutors-george-floyd-de
ath-60-minutes-2021-04-25/

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SECOND

Monday, April 26, 2021 10:44 PM

Anonymous jury in Derek Chauvin trial part of a growing trend that has some legal experts worried
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/25/chauvin-trial-ju
ry-anonymous-concerning-trend-us-justice/7342909002/

Anonymous juries continue to be rare, accounting for only about a dozen a year out of more than 100,000 jury trials nationally.

In a 1998 paper called “The Effects of Juror Anonymity on Jury Verdicts,” psychologists Lynn Hazelwood and John Brigham created an experiment with students that found a higher rate of conviction (70%) with anonymous juries when compared with named juries (40%). Anonymous juries in the experiment also “imposed the harshest punishment (expulsion) significantly more often than non-anonymous juries.”

In a 2018 paper titled “A Jury of Your (Redacted): The Rise and Implications of Anonymous Juries,” Cornell Law School student Leonardo Mangat argues that while “not without its benefits, anonymous juries raise questions regarding a defendant’s presumption of innocence” and the public’s right to an open trial. Mangat is now a clerk with the California Supreme Court.

Valerie Hans, professor of law at Cornell in Ithaca, New York, and Mangat’s former teacher, said there is another potential bias implicit in granting juror anonymity.

“You don’t necessarily always want to convey to a jury that the defendant is so dangerous that you need protection,” she said.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:27 AM

You're retarded dude. Your posts aren't even worth reading anymore.

Let me know when you get over your illness.

SPOILER ALERT: The healing doesn't begin until you can go a single day without saying or thinking the word Trump.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:14 PM

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SECOND: You assume wrong, Signym. I was riding inside the cars when these car v bicyclist stories happened. I know the drivers. They are Trumptards.

And YOU'RE making a simple logical mistake, one that an intelligent person shouldn't be making. I'll spell it out for you:

All of the bicycle rider-haters that I know support Trump.

Therefore, everyone who hates bicycle riders is a Trump supporter.

I'll let you figure out what that error is called.

SECOND, you twist everything, and I mean everything, to validate your hatred. You even make stupid logical mistakes that someone of your intelligence shouldn't be making.

I agree with SIX: You need to let the healing begin. It's never too late to change, especially for the better.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:19 AM

BTW, the logical error is called "generlizing from a few examples".

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree with SIX: You need to let the healing begin. It's never too late to change, especially for the better.

I can vouch for that.

I probably should be dead now. I certainly would be if I didn't change.

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SECOND

Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SECOND: You assume wrong, Signym. I was riding inside the cars when these car v bicyclist stories happened. I know the drivers. They are Trumptards.

And YOU'RE making a simple logical mistake, one that an intelligent person shouldn't be making. I'll spell it out for you:

All of the bicycle rider-haters that I know support Trump.

Therefore, everyone who hates bicycle riders is a Trump supporter.

I'll let you figure out what that error is called.

SECOND, you twist everything, and I mean everything, to validate your hatred. You even make stupid logical mistakes that someone of your intelligence shouldn't be making.

I agree with SIX: You need to let the healing begin. It's never too late to change, especially for the better.

Schrödinger vented his frustration over how badly Signym had missed the point: “It is as if one person said, ‘It is bitter cold in Chicago’; and another answered, ‘That is a fallacy, it is very hot in Florida.’”

I am going to quote another physicist, Sabine Hossenfelder, after a brief introduction: Trumptards are the political equivalent of Flat Earthers. You can see Earth is flat with your own eyes. Fake news will tell you differently than what you obviously have experienced. The Earth is flat and that’s that. Anybody claiming the Earth is a sphere is a Libtard.

Sabine Hossenfelder wrote Flat Earth “Science”: Wrong, but not Stupid

The flat earth society goes back to an Englishman by name Samuel Rowbotham, who lived in the 19th century. He was a medical doctor who believed he had proved that the earth is flat. He referred to his methodology as “Zeteticism” after the Greek word zeteo, “to seek”.

By “Zeteticism” he meant an extreme version of the philosophy of empiricism. Rowbotham’s philosophy, which is still the philosophy of flat earthers today, is that if you want to understand nature, you should only rely on information from your own senses. You can for example read on the website of the flat earth society:

“The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what’s called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses.”

That flat earthers insist on evidence from your own senses only really is key to understanding their problem.

How does someone end up rejecting something as scientifically well-established as the fact that the earth is round?

There is not only one reason, of course. Some flat earthers find the idea is appealing for religious reasons, others are of the crowd who think NASA is evil, space a fake, and the moon landing didn’t happen. But mostly it’s because they think they are merely being rational skeptics. They have not themselves been able to prove the earth is round, so they believe they are only reasonable when they request evidence. CNN for example reports from a flat earth conference:

“Like most of the speakers at the event CNN spoke to, he was convinced after he decided he couldn’t prove the Earth’s roundness.”

More at http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2020/08/flat-earth-science-wrong-but-
not-stupid.html

TRUMPTARD "SCIENCE" - WRONG, BUT NOT STUPID

It is a lovely introduction to how logical and smart people such as Trumptards can convince themselves they are right despite being dead wrong. It is funny what Trumptards do and how certain they are about EVERYTHING.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Schrödinger vented his frustration over how badly Signym had missed the point: “It is as if one person said, ‘It is bitter cold in Chicago’; and another answered, ‘That is a fallacy, it is very hot in Florida.’”

Insert any time that Second has quoted a part of a post you made and posted something completely unrelated for a good laugh.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Schrödinger vented his frustration over how badly Signym had missed the point: “It is as if one person said, ‘It is bitter cold in Chicago’; and another answered, ‘That is a fallacy, it is very hot in Florida.’”

Insert any time that Second has quoted a part of a post you made and posted something completely unrelated for a good laugh.

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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

No kidding. Once it was demonstrated that convicting some of both murder AND manslaughter is ludicrous, SECOND jumped to "Trumptards" and "bicyclists".

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:52 PM

Judge in Derek Chauvin trial will identify jurors who convicted him of George Floyd's murder
https://www.newsweek.com/jurors-who-convicted-derek-chauvin-revealed-a
fter-judge-deems-protection-unnecessary-1642710

What should also be remembered for this event is the orgy of Violence attacking Burning and Shootings that happened after, not just in One City like what happened in the LA Riots but the crazy insane Media spread this mob of violence across the cities of the United States of America and across the world

The Antifa BLM Bolsevik riots now continue in places like Portland to this year, happening this month, this week continue to this very day day, ongoing Antifa BLM protests against the system or police brutality and CRT that began in Minneapolis in the United States on May 2020 but continue into 2021 or maybe continue into 2022 AND BEYOND.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, January 30, 2023 6:22 PM

Antifa protesters mimic George Floyd screaming 'I can't breathe' as they're pinned down and arrested in Atlanta

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11662679/Chaos-Atlanta-Antifa
-rioters-torch-cars-set-fireworks-outside-Police-Foundation-building.html

Twitter
https://twitter.com/cwtremo/status/1617603362433925121

Quote:
Why haven’t Democrats criticized the insurrectionists in Atlanta?

DOJ survey finds vast majority have positive interactions with cops, contradicts defund the police 'narrative'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-survey-finds-vast-majority-have-p
ositive-interactions-cops-contradicts-defund-police-narrative

inspired a world of fictional pastas

but thought police u tube keeps banning users, censoring vids and taking them down.

maybe it will be uploaded to another site like rumble or bitchute

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, March 21, 2023 8:22 PM

There are bad Police bad Cops, people who act like trash and give good Police a bad name.

CNN of all place

Bailed out, arrested again: These charities boomed after the murder of George Floyd. They bailed out violent offenders

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/us/bail-reform-bail-charities-invs/inde
x.html

pointed a gun at the belly of a pregnant woman, media played the images on repat for an entire two weeks during lock down trying to hynotize the mob in some kind of satanic witcraft snuff movie occult ritual

died from a fentanyl overdose during his arrest.