Earth-That-Was...Greatest scam in history !

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Friday, November 9, 2007 6:19 PM

There's NO WAY we could possibly use up all of the Earth's resources! NO WAY!!
Have you seen us from space?? GREEN EVERYWHERE!!!
If every person on this planet hacked down twenty trees a day for the rest of our lives, guess what? Still more trees. And more oil is being discovered every year. And the sea absorbs our supposedly dangerous toxic dumping, and guess what? Still great fishing! And oh, how we pollute the air! See how we need respirators to go outside? No? That's cause the air is fine!
I throw all my non-bio-degradable garbage out the window of my car on the highway, and know what? It's not there the next day. This planet is amazing in it's ability to take a punch.

I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

*The preceding was paid for by AURaptor Delusions, Ltd., a division of De Nile Inc., working for a care-free environment.

STORYMARK

Friday, November 9, 2007 6:36 PM

LOL! Nice, Chris.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PACHELBEL

Friday, November 9, 2007 6:44 PM

This forum really needs a color for sarcasm.

CHRISISALL

Friday, November 9, 2007 6:49 PM

Yeah- green, like my puke.

The 'anti-chicken-littlers' make me sick.

Chrisisall, citizen and observer of Earth

PACHELBEL

Friday, November 9, 2007 6:51 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah- green, like my puke.

The other place I frequent uses teal

CHRISISALL

Friday, November 9, 2007 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by pachelbel:

The other place I frequent uses teal

Well, this place is full of black and white views on stuff, I guess it's appropriate that the text and field reflect that...

Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, November 9, 2007 8:44 PM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, November 9, 2007 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.

No way man. Every person on this planet, especially the capitalists and the Jews, are destroying our fragile planet because of their greedy mustache twirling Jewing about. It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush. The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism. And anyone who doesn’t want to enact world-wide socialism is a capitalist pig who hates puppies.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

LEADB

Friday, November 9, 2007 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm with the cool kids on this one, my peeps, we do our planet no harm. I want a Hummer.
No way man. Every person on this planet, especially the capitalists and the Jews, are destroying our fragile planet because of their greedy mustache twirling Jewing about. It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush. The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism. And anyone who doesn’t want to enact world-wide socialism is a capitalist pig who hates puppies.

higgly warts! We know that socialism is an economic system. We need a benevolent dictator who will force us to treat the planet with respect! Capitalism is fine; we will just shoot the folks who insist on polluting!

BTW, I am available for the position 'Dictator for the 21st century'

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CITIZEN

Friday, November 9, 2007 11:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
BTW, I am available for the position 'Dictator for the 21st century'

Is your last name Thatcher.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The only way to fix the problem is to enact world-wide socialism.

Finn, you went too far in the other direction for me with your last, unexpected post, but this part is interesting. We could hover with it for a while, until the evil Neo-Socialits start gaining power, then I'll be screaming for a new free-market economy and Capitalists to save us!

Pendulum Chrisisall

GEEZER

Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:01 AM

Chris

Recently discovered records indicate that, after the 2008 Clinton/Obama election, the USA ended the so-called "War on Terror" and provided nuclear technology to the peace-loving people of Iran and other Middle-eastern countries in exchange for their promise to quit exporting greenhouse-gas-causing oil.

The 2016 nuclear exchange between Greater Persia and Israel was quickly followed by the backpack nuke Jihads in Europe, Japan, and Southeast Asia (ever notice how there's not too many folk not speaking English or Chinese in the FF world?). The resulting nuclear winter quickly used up stocks of fossil fuel. South America reverted to banana republics squabbling over the few remaining resources. Only the United States of North-American and Greater China (including Australia and New Zealand) maintained the ability to get off the planet.

Hey! It's just as logical as yours.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CHRISISALL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:31 AM

Geezer, I always liked you, and this post is one of the reasons why.

Late night Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

*The preceding was paid for by AURaptor Delusions, Ltd., a division of De Nile Inc., working for a care-free environment.

Now THAT'S funny. The members of the Don Quixote Club attempting to make a funny at the expense of the rational folks of the world.

This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ANTHONYT

Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:01 AM

Hello,

I don't worry much about destroying the planet. All the humans will die long before we can render the world unsuitable for all life.

The cockroaches will inherit, the fungi will survive, and a million years after the human race is gone, the planet will again be a lush green Oasis.

All the tree-huggers ought to be rootin' for World War III.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I don't worry much about destroying the planet. All the humans will die long before we can render the world unsuitable for all life.

Frankly, I’m more worried about the planet destroying us. I think there is a certain degree of arrogance in the global warming doomsday camp. Much like the those who refused to believe that the Earth wasn’t the center of the universe, some people can’t grasp the idea that we just simply might not be in any condition to dictate what the planet does with regard to climate.

Personally, my guess is with regard to the climate that it won’t be global warming that gets us, but it might be global warming that makes us drop the ball. We might end up being so preoccupied worrying about a warming climate that we won’t prepare for the inevitable cooling that historically seems to have followed warming trends, usually with drastically negative impact on civilization.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*

The more you post this, the more I'll refute it and the more you'll ignore it I guess.

The millenium bug didn't case any problems, because we fixed it before the year 2000. If we hadn't done anything, there would have been problems, we did and they didn't occur. To say there was no problem because we fixed it before it occured, is simply idiotic.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

ZZETTA13

Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:57 PM

I’m moving to Mars tomorrow!

Z

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is nothing more than the y2k scare, all over again. *SIGH*
The more you post this, the more I'll refute it and the more you'll ignore it I guess.

The millenium bug didn't case any problems, because we fixed it before the year 2000. If we hadn't done anything, there would have been problems, we did and they didn't occur. To say there was no problem because we fixed it before it occured, is simply idiotic.

Why do you feel the need to respond, is what I find curious.

There were 2 things happening w/ y2k at the same time. You're right, that most of the computer issues were taken care of, with no small amount of work before hand to make sure all would run smoothly. Taking a proactive position unquestionably was needed for many key industries. Which is why I never felt there would be a problem. Those who had it in their best interest to make sure y2k wouldn't screw w/ their livelihood did what they needed to do. That part is understandable.

But the nut jobs, the whackos who thought Clinton was building concentration camps, claimed they had SEEN thsoe camps being built, and claimed that he'd use y2k as an excuse to usher in martial law, it's those kooks who I'm comparing the mass hysteria we see about global warming...THAT is how I see so many reacting to this 'climate change' fraud.

y2k came and went, and save for a very few minor issues, the world kept moving forward. All was well. The earth will go through its changes, warming / cooling, dryer / wetter, etc... there's nothing we can do to change that. Nor should we even try.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:34 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why do you feel the need to respond, is what I find curious.

Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation. In fact there is another comparison, many people said they didn't believe there could be a problem, largely because they never understood the proposed issue, and said nothing needed to be done. Just like global warming:

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The earth will go through its changes, warming / cooling, dryer / wetter, etc... there's nothing we can do to change that. Nor should we even try.

The problems with arguments against global warming, is that they revolve near exclusively around a denile, rather than a refutation of the science of global warming. Big things are made of the Earth being warmer in the past, but that doesn't refute that man is involved, it shows that the Earth can warm naturally, it doesn't prove the Earth is warming naturally this time. It's perfectly possible that global warming today is caused, or greatly exacerbated which is just as bad, by man and still be natural in the past.

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But the nut jobs, the whackos who thought Clinton was building concentration camps, claimed they had SEEN thsoe camps being built, and claimed that he'd use y2k as an excuse to usher in martial law, it's those kooks who I'm comparing the mass hysteria we see about global warming...THAT is how I see so many reacting to this 'climate change' fraud.

There's nutjobs and whakos in everything, the extreme doesn't refute the mainstream.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:00 PM

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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.

How is it in any way a " reasonable interpretation " when I specifically noted that a great amount of work HAD been done to avoid problems ? It's no secret that companies spent 1000's of hours working on the Y2K bug in order to keep their systems and their business running smooth. I made that perfectly clear! Talk about denial, you see ONLY what you want to see, and this example only makes my case more valid.

You dismiss the science where it threatends to disrupt your template. Sun activity goes up? Not a cause of global warming. Polar caps on Mars melt ? Nope, gotta be something else. Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world. And then you talk about denial ? Too gorram funny.

There were religious whackos ( Christian fundies ) who believed Y2K would usher in the return of Jesus. WHy? It was fortold in The Bible, that's why. Folks were told to look for 'earth pangs', meannig more hurricanes, more earthquakes, etc.... and that's exactly what they saw. They weren't paying attention to these things before, even though they were always occuring, but NOW, it was far more important because Jesus was coming back. How did they know ? The Bible said so, and the Bible can't be wrong. Word of God, ya know.

Only, there's one small problem. These things, quakes and hurricanes, HAD been happening all along. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but always happening. Fact is, the number major quakes had been stable for the past several decades, or in the decline. Oh, but the Bible thumpers had seen it on the news! It's been reported, and you can't deny that! Um...yeah, I could. Just looking at the records of the USGS and looking at the data. Still, I had folks tell me that news reporters knew MORE about earth quakes than the USGS!! Why? Because they REPORTED on it , and they saw the reports on t.v.!

Same thing is happening w/ global warming/ climate change. Back in '05, folks were told that Katrina was a product of "global warming" , and we should expext more hurricanes, stronger hurricanes and more to hit the US than ever before.

2 yrs later, where the fuck are the hurricanes ? No where. If a warmer climate was to cause more storms, where were they ? Seems folks don't know as much about the weather as we were led to believe.

John Coleman is right.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CAUSAL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:36 PM

Ah, mockery...

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CAUSAL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
There's nutjobs and whakos in everything, the extreme doesn't refute the mainstream.

I don't consider myself well-educated enough to enter the global warming debate. But I would just like to point out that a view's being the majority opinion does not entail that the belief is true. (That, of course, is why evidence and argument is so important.)

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CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Because you seem to be implying that there was no problem with the 2000 Bug, when there clearly was that we avoided through action. Given that you're comparing it to global warming which you say isn't a problem and we shouldn't do anything about, seems to be the reasonable interpretation.
How is it in any way a " reasonable interpretation " when I specifically noted that a great amount of work HAD been done to avoid problems ?

Because you didn't do that until AFTER I responded, and I don't own a crystal ball. I was explaining why I interpreted your initial post the way I did.

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You dismiss the science where it threatends to disrupt your template. Sun activity goes up? Not a cause of global warming.

Stop ranting and show me the science and I'll listen, I haven't ignored anything because you haven't provided anything. What I've seen indicates a net DROP in sun activity over the last few decades.

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Polar caps on Mars melt ? Nope, gotta be something else.

Actually only the southern polar cap is receding, which eloquently proves the confirmation bias. If one is receding, and one is expanding it's reasonable to say the global net temperatures on Mars aren't changing. Or we can stop at "the southern cap is receding" and assume the northern one is as well because that confirms what we want to hear.

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Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world. And then you talk about denial ?

Do you have a cite for this?

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There were religious whackos ( Christian fundies ) who believed Y2K would usher in the return of Jesus. WHy? It was fortold in The Bible, that's why. Folks were told to look for 'earth pangs', meannig more hurricanes, more earthquakes, etc.... and that's exactly what they saw. They weren't paying attention to these things before, even though they were always occuring, but NOW, it was far more important because Jesus was coming back. How did they know ? The Bible said so, and the Bible can't be wrong. Word of God, ya know.

Which says nothing about global warming or it's proponents. Which was one of the points I made in the last post, thanks for parroting back to me what I said previously.

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Same thing is happening w/ global warming/ climate change.

Really not. Saying "Same thing" doesn't prove a link.

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2 yrs later, where the fuck are the hurricanes ? No where. If a warmer climate was to cause more storms, where were they ? Seems folks don't know as much about the weather as we were led to believe.

The exact same reasoning would say: “6 years later, no new Al Qaeda attacks in the US, guess that proves there's nothing too it”. It's flawed reasoning.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
I don't consider myself well-educated enough to enter the global warming debate. But I would just like to point out that a view's being the majority opinion does not entail that the belief is true. (That, of course, is why evidence and argument is so important.)

That's not what I was saying, I was saying the extremists don't represent the mainstream. Like extremist Muslims or Christians say nothing about mainstream believers.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

SIGNYM

Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:21 PM

HI CAUSAL!

*waves*

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Always look upstream.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

We might end up being so preoccupied worrying about a warming climate that we won’t prepare for the inevitable cooling that historically seems to have followed warming trends, usually with drastically negative impact on civilization.

I'm investing in parka and sled companies right now, even though there will be no growth this quarter....

Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
you see ONLY what you want to see,

Polar Bears threatened with extinction? Sorry, their population remains constant or has actually climbed around the world.

http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2935184

Rap, you really is a doofus when it comes to reality.
Or is this the kind of crap reporting you like?
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=1ea8233f-14da-4a
44-b839-b71a9e5df868&k=5287

The bear population is moving in response to the shrinking environment...it's natural that a concentration in new areas would be seen as their numbers going up by the casual observer.

An example of 'seeing ONLY what you want to see' Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:21 PM

God, I love watching you guys tear 'Rap's bullshit apart point by point. It warms my heart.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CAUSAL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
That's not what I was saying, I was saying the extremists don't represent the mainstream. Like extremist Muslims or Christians say nothing about mainstream believers.

Sorry 'bout that, then. Consider it a general purpose comment then. Let us not (any of us) commit an argumentum ad populum fallacy.

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CAUSAL

Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
HI CAUSAL!

*waves*

Yo.

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FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:26 PM

Agreed, Storymark, but overall it's more fun kicking Hero in the shins, at least HE has a sense of humor, warped that it is.

-F

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:28 PM

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citizne wrote:
Because you didn't do that until AFTER I responded, and I don't own a crystal ball. I was explaining why I interpreted your initial post the way I did.

I'm pretty sure I didn't change my post from the time it was added to this thread. Not real sure where you're getting the idea that I did anything until after you posted. Seems to me you didn't bother reading my post, more likely.

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The exact same reasoning would say: “6 years later, no new Al Qaeda attacks in the US, guess that proves there's nothing too it”. It's flawed reasoning.

Now you're comparing man caused events ( terrorist attacks ) to natural phenomena, hurricanes?

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm pretty sure I didn't change my post from the time it was added to this thread. Not real sure where you're getting the idea that I did anything until after you posted. Seems to me you didn't bother reading my post, more likely.

Jesus wept. You made a comment about Y2K, I replied, you asked why I bothered replying, I explained why. I'm not talking about the post where you explained yourself, I'm talking about the post before that. Please stop flogging this dead horse and get on backing up what you said earlier. Unless of course getting tied up on irrelevances is your tactic to save from doing that, in which case carry on as normal.

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Now you're comparing man caused events ( terrorist attacks ) to natural phenomena, hurricanes?

Man made events like, for instance, the Year 2000 Bug? Pot. Kettle. Black. Much?

You know your ability to miss the point goes beyond miraculous and far into the range of the pathological.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:37 PM

I doubt very much that anyone PLANNED to have the y2k glitch to happen on purpose. Not so for terrorist attacks.

no pot meet kettle event. sorry

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Please stop flogging this dead horse and get on backing up what you said earlier. Unless of course getting tied up on irrelevances is your tactic to save from doing that, in which case carry on as normal.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I doubt very much that anyone PLANNED to have the y2k glitch to happen on purpose. Not so for terrorist attacks.

no pot meet kettle event. sorry

I believe, ladies and gentlemen, we have our answer.

Thank you and goodnight.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I believe, ladies and gentlemen, we have our answer.

And notice how he didn't/couldn't address the polar bear fallacy that he embraced on the basis of ONE article (from a neo-con writer with no science background, no less).
He can admit no mistake lest his little house of cards world view collapses.
Oh, and mainstream media is finally using the "R" word (recession) that Signy and many others have been seeing coming....guess we all just have better crystal balls than AU, eh Cit?

isall

AURAPTOR

Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:50 PM

chrisisall, I didn't reply because citizen was having nothing of it. He's given up any rational thought/disucssion/ what ever. His mind is made up,screw the facts.

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Moreover, the notion of a declining polar bear population doesn’t square well available information.

A Canadian Press Newswire story earlier this year reported that, in three Arctic villages, polar bears “are so abundant there’s a public safety issue.” The local polar bear population reportedly increased from about 2,100 in 1997 to as many as 2,600 in 2004. Inuit hunters (search) wanted to be able to kill more bears because they are “fearsome predators.”

An aerial survey of Alaskan polar bears published in "Arctic" (December 2003) reported a greater polar bear density than previous survey estimates dating back to 1987.

If polar bears really are getting skinnier as the 1999 study suggested, it may actually be due to an increased population subsisting on the same level of available food. After all, the harvesting of Alaskan polar bears has been limited by the Marine Mammal Protection Act (search) and international agreements since 1972.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138346,00.html

Sorry chrisisall, but not everyone who debunks your views is a 'neo-con' or has no background in science. Get over your ingrained prejudices and wake up. Please.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:30 PM

AU, thanks for the quote, but not all info on this matter concurs:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005
070601899.html

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Ice is melting there about three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Stirling, who has been studying polar bears for 35 years.

"For a polar bear, not all weeks are created equal," he said. "They are losing three weeks at the best time of the year for feeding on the ice, when seal pups are abundant and bears put on fat that they store for the four months that they have to live onshore."

Having lost this critical hunting opportunity, polar bears in western Hudson Bay weigh about 15 percent less (about 150 pounds less for an adult male) than they did 30 years ago, Stirling said.

"The bears are losing their physical condition," he said. "It is a cumulative process that is causing a steady decline in survival, particularly for cubs and sub-adults. It is causing the population to decline."

So, once again, who do you believe? I tend to go with my eyes, someone once said we should use 'em...

Malisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And notice how he didn't/couldn't address the polar bear fallacy that he embraced on the basis of ONE article (from a neo-con writer with no science background, no less).
He can admit no mistake lest his little house of cards world view collapses.
Oh, and mainstream media is finally using the "R" word (recession) that Signy and many others have been seeing coming....guess we all just have better crystal balls than AU, eh Cit?

Signy and many others have never seen anything but recessions. If you scream recession long enough sooner or later you’re going to end up being right, no matter how big an idiot you are. Instead of forcing either of these issues into black and white packages that suit political views more than the facts, why can’t people realize both are more complex than that. Be careful about that Ace of Spades when it falls.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Signy and many others have never seen anything but recessions. If you scream recession long enough sooner or later you’re going to end up being right, no matter how big an idiot you are.

Now now, no name calling.
The economy had a few spikes, but the quality of education has more to do with our fall from economic grace than any other single factor IMO. If we spend on war, but make education a less important matter, we doom ourselves to use force rather than brains to solve most issues. Bottom line.

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Instead of forcing either of these issues into black and white packages that suit political views more than the facts, why can’t people realize both are more complex than that. Be careful about that Ace of Spades when it falls.

Polar bears don't follow politics, Finn.

Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The economy had a few spikes, but the quality of education has more to do with our fall from economic grace than any other single factor IMO. If we spend on war, but make education a less important matter, we doom ourselves to use force rather than brains to solve most issues. Bottom line.

Bullshit! The economy goes up and down for all kinds of reason, regardless of education or war. While the economy was roaring, people claimed, for purely political and ideological reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the economy, that the economy was in the dumps.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Polar bears don't follow politics, Finn.

Next time I talk to a Polar Bear about global warming I’ll keep that in mind.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:11 PM

Y2K was an absurd joke. Most companies had new or fairly new computers that handled it perfectly, as the 2000 date appeared as scheduled. I guess some companies that had computers with tape reels may have had a need to "get ready". Less than a week after Bush became President, Streisand and her devoted gang of planet Earth saviors was blogging and stating that Bush & the evil Republicans were poisoning the water and the air. Somehow none of us, hopefully, have succumbed to that dire prediction of water poisoning and suffocation. Give Gore credit...he has taken the abstract art of whiny, hysterical bitching by the ultra-elite liberal left to new, never-before imagined heights. He has made it a mainstream religion for all those lonely, wandering, lost souls who desperately need to have something to latch on to in common, in brotherhood...then ya throw in a perfect tie-in to the devil Bush and his dastardly minions to really get the eager legions of drones fired up, and then to top it off give the great charlatan, the new Reginald Van Gleason Gore ...give him an Oscar & a Nobel Peace Prize. That's the crowning achievement in this fabulous puppet circus...a modern Tale of The Emperor's New Clothes. Maybe they could make another Gore movie and cast Claire Danes and Leo DiCaprio together again and have them both die in each others arms from the really, really hot weather, or perhaps get eaten alive by a passing polar bear floating by on a detached North Pole iceberg.

CITIZEN

Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
chrisisall, I didn't reply because citizen was having nothing of it. He's given up any rational thought/disucssion/ what ever. His mind is made up,screw the facts.

A triumph for personal responcibility, I didn't reply because Citizen made me! I wonder if the "Citizen made me" defence would stand up in court?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Didn't think you had the stones to answer the question.

I was right.

At least PN posts pictures with his rants.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CITIZEN

Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Y2K was an absurd joke. Most companies had new or fairly new computers that handled it perfectly, as the 2000 date appeared as scheduled.

Actually, most companies may have had new computers (though a lot didn't, mainframes are expensive) they were still using old software that used short date fields.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Bullshit!

There goes th G rating...

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The economy goes up and down for all kinds of reason, regardless of education or war.

War is a quick short-term fix, and lack of education makes for a service economy, rather than a leading tech one. But then, educated peeps wouldn't have voted for the likes of Bush, so better to keep 'em stupid and poor, the rich will still be there, regardless, and puppet buttwipes like Bush stay the point-men.

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While the economy was roaring

WhenTF exactly was that? Roaring? The eighties? I remember a grand time for housing, but average peeps buying power was never fantastic, like it was in the fifties...

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, people claimed, for purely political and ideological reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the economy, that the economy was in the dumps.

Noting an increasing poor class, diminishing middle class, and a greater # of rich peeps is an issue PEOPLE need to address, not ideaologies or political agendas. The concentration of wealth in this country is undeniable- what IS deniable are the social changes that, funny enough, seem to be mirrored in the climate changes. A storm is comin', and you and I will be seeing interesting times, my friend.
If we stay the course of Bush & Co., I fear for my son's future on this planet.

Save us Ron Paul Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:02 PM

I guess we'll have to wait 10+ yrs before you see that what's being called global warming is nothing more than the natural cycle of things, and not the catastrophe so many are making it out to be.

AlliswellAURaptor

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess we'll have to wait 10+ yrs before you see that what's being called global warming is nothing more than the natural cycle of things, and not the catastrophe so many are making it out to be.

AlliswellAURaptor

PART of the natural cycle of things, I could agree on that. Look, this planet goes through cycles- did carbon emissions cause the Ice Age, or the last really hot spells? I'm just holding with man adding to what's already always happening. Maybe we're speeding it up 20%...maybe it will 10% cooler on the cool down...who knows? But the climate IS changing (again), and we'd better prepare ourselves- that's all I'm about. If we're caught with our britches down, all will not be well.
Always be prepared son. Always be prepared.

Last Boyscout Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, November 12, 2007 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Noting an increasing poor class, diminishing middle class, and a greater # of rich peeps is an issue PEOPLE need to address, not ideaologies or political agendas. The concentration of wealth in this country is undeniable- what IS deniable are the social changes that, funny enough, seem to be mirrored in the climate changes. A storm is comin', and you and I will be seeing interesting times, my friend.
If we stay the course of Bush & Co., I fear for my son's future on this planet.

More bullshit. The fact is that you, like many of your ideological comrades, are unconcerned with whether the economy is doing well or not. You define the strength of economy by whether you agree with the ideological or political structure, not the actual economy. Anti-capitalists always claim that economy is bad - sometimes they’ll be right, sometimes they’ll be wrong, but for certain, their assessment is independent of the actual state of the economy.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 12:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
you, like many of your ideological comrades

That is so cold-war.

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You define the strength of economy by whether you agree with the ideological or political structure, not the actual economy.

Uhhh, no, dumass*. I rate the economy by how big the poor class is, the purchasing power of the individual, the wealth of the wealthy vs. the poverty in the streets, etc.
If you just want to go by how many billionaires there are, then certainly, our economy is roaring away, and no little recession will affect that.

*put in for effect only.

Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, November 12, 2007 1:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Uhhh, no, dumass*. I rate the economy by how big the poor class is, the purchasing power of the individual, the wealth of the wealthy vs. the poverty in the streets, etc.
If you just want to go by how many billionaires there are, then certainly, our economy is roaring away, and no little recession will affect that.

*put in for effect only.

Yeah, I think you just proved my point.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 2:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yeah, I think you just proved my point.

What Finn? That I have some political agenda?
All of a sudden you sound so hostile

.

There's three kinds of peeps in this world; those that see social and economic Darwinism as perfectly natural and fine, those that want us to 'evolve beyond that' (to quote Picard), and those that are disconnected from the fray.
I simply want 'humanity' to trump greed, don't you?
That's not ostensibly left OR right IMO.
I have a HUMAN agenda.

...some may see it as a utopian one, I don't know....

So. What do ya think of Ron Paul?

Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, November 12, 2007 3:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yeah, I think you just proved my point.

What Finn? That I have some political agenda?
All of a sudden you sound so hostile.

I’m not the least bit hostile, though I do think that you are desperately trying to avoid hearing me, which is ironically exactly what you accuse Auraptor of.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I simply want 'humanity' to trump greed, don't you?
That's not ostensibly left OR right IMO.
I have a HUMAN agenda.

...some may see it as a utopian one, I don't know....

Whatever you want to call it. Nonetheless, you’re still defining the state of the economy by your ideological view and not the actual state of the economy. I have a friend who insists that the Chinese economy is always crap, no matter what’s going on in China, because China is a communist state. My friend’s ideological disagreement with communism prevents him from assessing the true state of the Chinese economy. I don’t see any difference between his point of view and you insisting that the US economy is “bad” because you don’t like greedy rich people. Basically the fallacy that you’re working with here is that if I don’t admit to you that the US capitalist economy is “bad” that means I’m greedy or I condone abject materialism, which is nonsense. What does my condoning abject materialism, assuming I do, have to do with the shape of the US economy?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So. What do ya think of Ron Paul?

He’s the Republican answer to Dennis Kucinich.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

AURAPTOR

Monday, November 12, 2007 10:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
you, like many of your ideological comrades
That is so cold-war.

Speaking of comrades, don't you find it the least bit odd that the goals and interest of the old soviet commie types line up exatly w/ the goals and interest of the new greenies ?

Diminish the status of the Western nations, kill their economies, cut back their energy production, while countires like China , who pollute more and more, are barely affected?

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 2:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I do think that you are desperately trying to avoid hearing me, which is ironically exactly what you accuse Auraptor of.

That's a possibility...*must ponder this*

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Nonetheless, you’re still defining the state of the economy by your ideological view and not the actual state of the economy.

I was defining the state of the economy by it's effect on the larger group...the same way that you could say a bus that is functioning perfectly and has a good strong engine is doing fine, even though it has a slight hole in it's muffler and floor boards, allowing carbon monoxide to seep into the passenger area and make folks sick.

Analogous Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 2:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Diminish the status of the Western nations

That's not MY goal...

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kill their economies

OR that...

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cut back their energy production

maybe a little, but usage is more my interest...

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while countires like China , who pollute more and more, are barely affected?

We can't dictate to corrupt Neo-Comms how to clean up their act...

'Splainin' Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, November 12, 2007 5:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I was defining the state of the economy by it's effect on the larger group...the same way that you could say a bus that is functioning perfectly and has a good strong engine is doing fine, even though it has a slight hole in it's muffler and floor boards, allowing carbon monoxide to seep into the passenger area and make folks sick.

Not really. You were defining the economy based on values of morality, not any criteria of the function or effect of the economy. Avarice and egocentricity are not economic indicators. They are human flaws. They are moral judgments defining the sins of the people believed to control the economy. When the economy is growing and unemployment is down, the Left-wing types tell you that the economy is doing poorly, because it‘s what they want to believe and what they want you to beleive. It‘s almost a religious conviction. Then when the economy starts to slow, they point a finger and say “See, I was right all along!!” But in reality, they were full of shit from the beginning. The economy just goes up and down like that.

And actually, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the US has NOT experienced a real recession since before 1982, when Reagan pulled us out of the recession in the 70s. For the last 25 years, the US has been in an economic boom.

The economy is run by flawed people who all have their various sins to contend with. People like to throw fits about greed, but not all rich people are sons of bitches. Often gluttony gets a pass, but the truth is that there are a lot of people out there who are poor simply because they want their wealth handed to them. There are different points of view about how the economy should deal with these various sins. Some think we need an aristocracy. A wealthy elite to control the economy and bestow upon the peasants the wealth the aristocrats think they deserve. Others think we need a purely Laissez-faire economy where people succeed based on their own ability, and the aristocrats stay the hell away. I lean more towards the laissez-faire side, but in all honesty I like having an aristocrat smite those who might unfairly exploit others disadvantages. Though the laissez-faire side might traditionally be more likely to be a strong economy, there is nothing to say that a capitalist economy won‘t collapse and communism will. An aristocracy, like the Chinese communism or the Nazi regime can be successful. It might not be a place I want to live, but it certainly can have a strong economy. And similiarly with the Left-wing types, just because some people don't agree with the US brand of capitalism, doesn't mean the US economy is bad, when actually it is quite strong.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 6:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
just because some people don't agree with the US brand of capitalism, doesn't mean the US economy is bad, when actually it is quite strong.

Okay Finn, thanks for the adjustment. I need to be able to separate my thoughts better.
So, the last 25 years has been a steady rise...it's just that wages haven't grown as fast and cuts in benefits were necessary and layoffs and outsourcing (hi, Abu) caused many to accept lower paying jobs and loans were given to too many who couldn't afford them, but the loans were sold back and forth- so the overall effect of THIS economy was not all so very good for the average person although in measurable $ exchange it was strong.
Do I get it now? I'm really asking, BTW.
(this is all in Chrisisall-dummy-talk, of course

)

Financial wiz Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, November 12, 2007 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay Finn, thanks for the adjustment. I need to be able to separate my thoughts better.
So, the last 25 years has been a steady rise...it's just that wages haven't grown as fast and cuts in benefits were necessary and layoffs and outsourcing (hi, Abu) caused many to accept lower paying jobs and loans were given to too many who couldn't afford them, but the loans were sold back and forth- so the overall effect of THIS economy was not all so very good for the average person although in measurable $ exchange it was strong.
Do I get it now? I'm really asking, BTW.
(this is all in Chrisisall-dummy-talk, of course)

I think that’s a more reasonable position to take. I don’t really know what you mean by the “average person.” I’m pretty average and the last 25 years have been pretty good to me. The economy has exhibited an unprecedented low interest rates, unemployment has been low, both of which help the average guy quite a bit. I don’t like that the US dollar is weak in relation to the Euro, because it makes it more difficult for me to travel to Europe and ultimately might cause an increase in the cost of living. People used to claim that Reaganomics hurt the little guy, but in hind sight, it seems the opposite was true. I’m not disagreeing that there are problems with the economy. The economy is also a big animal though and generally just about anything that ripples through it will have both negative and positive effects. It’s the net effect of those ripples that matter, and I don’t know how well I am at assessing details like that. I’m not ready to say that the net effect of the economy has been bad for the average person. Fletch2 would be a better person to ask, however.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Monday, November 12, 2007 6:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think that’s a more reasonable position to take.

We 'ave an accord!

Thanks for getting me more precise Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:13 AM

Quote:
We can't dictate to corrupt Neo-Comms how to clean up their act...

'Splainin' Chrisisall

Spoken like a true watermellon.

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:09 AM

Quote:
I think that’s a more reasonable position to take. I don’t really know what you mean by the “average person.” I’m pretty average and the last 25 years have been pretty good to me.

People who have the advantage of progressing thru 25 years of work experience may mistake THEIR rise in living standards for an overall rise. But I think it's fari to say that many of us were starving students at one time or another (some of us prolly still are). what you should be comparing is the living standards and prospects of the 25-year-old Finn against the living standards and prospects of a current 25-year-old... not the professionally mature Finn against the greenhorn Finn.

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Always look upstream.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
We can't dictate to corrupt Neo-Comms how to clean up their act...

'Splainin' Chrisisall

Spoken like a true watermellon.

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Okay, I'm totally not understanding this remark..."watermellon"...well, I'm not black, so it's not the racist thing...I just plainly displayed my dislike for China's "corrupt Neo-Comm" government, so the "red on the inside" can't mean I'm a commie sympathizer...

I'll admit- I'm lost here, AU.

Curious Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, I'm totally not understanding this remark..."watermellon"...well, I'm not black, so it's not the racist thing...I just plainly displayed my dislike for China's "corrupt Neo-Comm" government, so the "red on the inside" can't mean I'm a commie sympathizer...

I'll admit- I'm lost here, AU.

Curious Chrisisall

Well, in a shock departure from standard AU behaviour

instead of making a point he insulted you. He's saying you're nothing but a communist hiding behind enviromentalism, it's the typical resort of extreme right wing followers who hate the idea of enviromental protection, but just can't work out why.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:56 PM

Chis is nothing like a watermelon. I think he's more like an artichoke......keep peeling back the layers of irony, deception, and hooliganism, and you'll find a sensitive heart.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:00 PM

Thanks Cit! That clears up everything...except AU's confused mind, that is.

ChrisisnoNeo-Comm

RUE

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:01 PM

"It’s only a matter of days, maybe minutes, before the world crumbles into dust under the weight of modern industry, fascist America and George Bush."

That's so yesterday's news. It happened quite a while ago.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

RUE

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:03 PM

"And similiarly with the Left-wing types, just because some people don't agree with the US brand of capitalism, doesn't mean the US economy is bad, when actually it is quite strong."

But living hand to mouth on borrowed money ?

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For the record, what is your definition of a 'strong' economy ?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

But living hand to mouth on borrowed money ?

A strong economy needs not be a substantive one Rue.

If I understand correctly Chrisisall

RUE

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:24 PM

But now I gotta keep that printing press - I mean washing machine - going all hours.

Yeah, washing machine, that's what I got in the basement.

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:smacks self in forehead: THAT'S what I meant to say.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
But now I gotta keep that printing press - I mean washing machine - going all hours.

Laundered or printed- if it's accepted, it's real enough.

(I just use my mental powers to make folk think my ones are hundreds.)

The key to the Chrisisall economy

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
We can't dictate to corrupt Neo-Comms how to clean up their act...

'Splainin' Chrisisall

Spoken like a true watermellon.

Green on the outside, red on the inside.
Okay, I'm totally not understanding this remark..."watermellon"...well, I'm not black, so it's not the racist thing...I just plainly displayed my dislike for China's "corrupt Neo-Comm" government, so the "red on the inside" can't mean I'm a commie sympathizer...

I'll admit- I'm lost here, AU.

Curious Chrisisall

By saying we can't tell the Red Chinese what to do, you're sympathizing with their position.

You commie bastard!

It was an attempted joke, keyword "attempted". Don't burn any brain cells frettin' over it.

A hoagie and a Chef's salad contain the same ingredients, only the ratios are changed.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You commie bastard!

Now I get it Chrisisall

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:26 PM

Isn't this thread vaguely like another one....

"Your gratuitous jello awaits." - Dr. Helen Magnus, Sanctuary

RUE

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:09 AM

"And similiarly with the Left-wing types, just because some people don't agree with the US brand of capitalism, doesn't mean the US economy is bad, when actually it is quite strong."

But living hand to mouth on borrowed money ?

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For the record, what is your definition of a 'strong' economy ?

Apparently looking for answers in all the wrong places. sigh

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:57 AM

Finn has a definitional problem- again. He uses words to express how he feels, but not with any consistency of meaning.

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Always look upstream.

RUE

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:12 AM

When you have to borrow money just to pay the interest you might possibly want to re-evaluate the economy.

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Of course that might just be my foolish 'left-leaning' notions.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
When you have to borrow money just to pay the interest you might possibly want to re-evaluate the economy.

Rue, a dude that's pumped on PCP is strong, isn't he?

If you take my meaning Chrisisall

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
When you have to borrow money just to pay the interest you might possibly want to re-evaluate the economy.

Who is borrowing money just to pay the interset.
What is the principal that people need to borrow money to pay the interest on.
Why is it necessary for people to borrow money to pay interest?
Are these money borrowers a large enough section of the economy as a whole to show up as a statistic?

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Of course that might just be my foolish 'left-leaning' notions.

Who is supposed to be paying the interest on these peoples debts, the government?

RUE

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:49 PM

"Who is borrowing money just to pay the interest."
Government

"What is the principal that /people/ government need to borrow money to pay the interest on."
Previous debt (duh)

"Why is it necessary for /people/ government to borrow money to pay interest?"
Because of a mad spending spree compounded by lower income - creating debt. The usual, but in this case perfectly avoidable, debt mechanism.

"/Are these money borrowers/ Is this money borrower a large enough section of the economy as a whole to show up as a statistic?"
Definitely yes.

"Who is supposed to be paying the interest on these /peoples/ debts, the /government/?"
Switch government with people and you have a question.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

LEADB

Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:21 AM

BDN, you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

This is what happens when you run a war and decide to keep it 'off the books' as 'emergency spending'. Every single penny to pay for the war is going straight to debt. Or did nobody tell you that?

SPACEMANSPIFF76

Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:22 PM

i didnt read all the posts but i will say this much to everyone on here.

we can solve all our problems and live in a perfect agrarian utopia....then the yellowstone caldera will blow and take half of north america with it. so nothing really matters does it? the argument and debates are fun, im not knocking anyone, but i just dont care anymore.