We tortured some folks
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John McCain lashes out at Republicans in denial about the torture.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/273633/speedreads-john-mccain-blas
ts-cia-torture-hypocrites-for-rewriting-history
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McCain lost his bid to be president because he no longer represents republicans. I suspect they see his position on torture as driven by personal issues; quaint, and misguided.
I mean look at rappy - it wasn't torture, but if it was we were justified, and the fact that it was us rather than somebody else makes it patriotic, and that torture is a measure of greatness. Though it's not torture. The twisted nature of their thinking doesn't allow for McCain's position. McCain'll be discarded on this and many other issues because he no longer serves their purpose.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Pelosi, Dems 'fully aware' of CIA interrogation techniques, says former agency official
WASHINGTON – The man who oversaw the controversial CIA interrogation program said Sunday that Rep. Nancy Pelosi was “fully aware,” of the methods used against militants, while former Vice President Dick Cheney continued to defend the program and reiterated that the U.S. “stopped short of torture.”
Both men said the techniques used -- including waterboarding -- had been approved by Bush administration lawyers and did not cross the legal line.
Jose Rodriguez, former director of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service, said on “Fox News Sunday” that Pelosi “knew every one of our enhanced interrogations,” including sleep deprivation as well as slapping and pushing prisoners.
Rodriguez revived previous claims that Pelosi and other top Democratic lawmakers were briefed and approved the program -- which President Barack Obama now calls torture. Pelosi and other Democrats have denied Rodriguez' claims, according to The Associated Press.
Rodriguez added that the program was the most thoroughly reviewed one in CIA history and that the recently-released Senate report betrays intelligence officials and “throws the CIA under this bus.”
Rodriguez said there was a chance that allies who had cooperated with the United States in the past might reassess their involvement.
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., a former member of the Senate Select Committee on intelligence, and Karl Rove, a former White House adviser to President George W. Bush and a Fox News contributor, were also on the program.
The two were often at odds over whether the techniques described in the report constituted torture, whether the methods were effective and if the CIA misled the White House and Congress.
The CIA report dominated most of the Sunday talk shows, with Cheney reiterating his opinion that the 6,000-page document was “deeply flawed” and “full of crap.”
Cheney, who was on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” said U.S. interrogators “stopped sort of torture” and said that he “would do it again in a minute.”
Cheney said there was “no comparison” between the methods CIA interrogators used and the death of 3,000 Americans on Sept. 11, 2001.
“Torture is what Al Quaeda did,” he said. “There is no comparison between that and what we did with respect to enhanced interrogation.”
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., defended the Senate report’s release on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” and said the graphic accounts of brutal treatment justified the report’s public release.
McCain said he had a “vigorous discussion” with Cheney and former CIA Director Michael Hayden, during which he urged with them not to use some of the controversial methods detailed in the report.
“I said these things are torture. They’re in violation of the Geneva Convention and the convention against torture,” he said.
“I urge everyone to just read the report,” he said, making reference to a Senate Intelligence Committee report that Republican leaders panned last week as an attempt to smear the Bush administration.
“You can’t claim that tying someone to the floor and have them freeze to death is not torture. You can’t say 183 times someone is waterboarded,” he said.
McCain noted that waterboarding was used during the Spanish Inquisition and the United States tried and executed Japanese officers as war criminals for using waterboarding.
Cheney, though, said he was not worried about prosecution or the need for a pardon.
“No crime was committed,” he said. “Why is a pardon required?”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/14/former-director-cia-interro
gation-program-defends-interrogation-techniques-used/
( Any chance Princess Pelosi is just gettin too damn old, had too much botox, that she really doesn't remember ? Selectively ? )
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
... the fact that it was us rather than somebody else makes it patriotic, and that torture is a measure of greatness.
The measure of greatness was in it NOT being torture, and it saved lives. Oh yeah, and it got UBL too, which may be Obama's lone claim as President all Americans can appreciate.
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He said ... she said.
Any evidence? Besides your gullibility for FAUX.
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Well, at least the most important portion of this topic accomplished it's goal.
Bobo needed something to deflect the headlines away from McGruber's testimony to Congress, which was the reason this report from 10 years ago needed to be released on the same date, coincidentally, and in no relation whatsoever, as the McGruber hearings.
All of the MSM managed to deflect all interest in a real story and latch onto this non-story.
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"McGruber"
You got the name wrong. But, yeah, that's about your level of knowledge.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
He said ... she said.
Any evidence? Besides your gullibility for FAUX.
Oh, you doubting UBL is really dead ?
Crassic.
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Pelosi, Dems 'fully aware' of CIA interrogation techniques, says former agency official -
That WAS your point. As for evidence...
The man who oversaw the controversial CIA interrogation program said Sunday that Rep. Nancy Pelosi was “fully aware,” of the methods used against militants ... Pelosi and other Democrats have denied Rodriguez' claims...
He said ... she said.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"McGruber"
You got the name wrong. But, yeah, that's about your level of knowledge.
Wow, against all odds, you wandered into a fact, swerving into the truth. I did miss an "a" in the spelling of MacGruber. Sorry to confuse you.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1470023/
Regarding the ACA schlickengruber, I believe I was the first on this board to post about Jonathon Gruber. Try to keep up, okaaay cupcake?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58806
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