We tortured some folks
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UPDATED: Sunday, June 1, 2025 14:38
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Funny rappy, but I remember that post too. It was so unasked-for, so off-topic, and so startlingly offensive it was hard to forget.
And like 'Hands up, don't shoot ', it never happened. Oh, sure, there may have been a reference about Jessica Alba, as I've often brought her up, but you're imagining the 'rape' aspect of it, much like a Rolling Stone story.
It didn't happen.
second - this isn't India, and there is no caste system. You're still stuck in that fiction loop we talked about.
Might want to see to that.
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Privileged groups call in their forces of state power in the purported interests of the “peace and order” of society as a whole, but in fact to suppress change. Self-deception reigns among the privileged because, among other reasons, to see reality more truly would place an unbearable moral pressure on them
Then again... that does sound a lot like Lois Lerner and the IRS targeting of average Americans.
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Quote:Are you sure America doesn't have a caste system? Jeb Bush is running for President. His likely opponent would be Hillary Clinton.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - this isn't India, and there is no caste system. You're still stuck in that fiction loop we talked about.
One family exploited its vast wealth to obtain political power, while the other exploited its political power to obtain vast wealth.
Having someone who is the brother and son of presidents run against the wife of a president would be sweetly illustrative of American life, from meritocracy to class mobility.
And Jeb and Hillary don't have any torture problem with Cheney. Looking after their own interests means they have no time for irrelevant CIA torture reports.
The two ruling families have, unsurprisingly, developed a movingly warm relationship befitting their position: the matriarch of the Bush family (former First Lady Barbara) has described the Clinton patriarch (former President Bill) as a virtual family member, noting that her son, George W., affectionately calls his predecessor “my brother by another mother.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/barbara-bush-gushes-bill-clin
ton-treats-george-h-w-bush-father-article-1.1113917
http://nypost.com/2014/09/08/are-bill-clinton-and-george-w-bush-best-b
uds-now/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So, I don't have a " torture " problem w/ Cheney, I'm part of some super secret caste system ?
Where the hell is my time share on Martha's Vineyard ? My Hawaiian bungalow ? My lodge in Aspen ?
Dammit ! I'm being screwed !!
** per your reply below .. You're ever stuck in your fiction loop. I'll not play along in any discussion that so pointlessly remains mired in make believe.
*** ETA Per Storybook's delusion -
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Tell that to the Japanese we executed for committing the exact same WAR CRIMES.
But you're not capable of that level of insight.
You're wrong, fecal face. The Japanese did far , FAR worse than mere 'waterboarding' . That they happened to have waterboarded in the long list of other offenses, doesn't mean they were executed FOR WATERBOARDING alone.
You're selective Leftist mindset only allows you to see what you want, when it suits you.
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Quote:You've been paid what your service is worth. An example to clarify: Sabrina Harman, US Army, was a follower. She would not have been in jail for torture if she had been a leader. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Harman
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm part of some super secret caste system ?
Where the hell is my time share on Martha's Vineyard ? My Hawaiian bungalow ? My lodge in Aspen ?
Dammit ! I'm being screwed !!
Matthew Zirbel, CIA torturer, was smarter than Sabrina. He destroyed his pictures of torture. He didn't send them home, like Sabrina did. All we have are words on paper to describe what he did. He got rich, very unlike Sabrina: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/15/charmed-life-cia-torture
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The CIA, being full of leaders, was smart enough to destroy their torture videos and photos. The visual record we've got is Sabrina's pictures :
http://ushypocrisy.com/2013/04/28/lest-we-forget-the-horrifying-images
-from-abu-ghraib-prison-in-iraq-graphic-imagery/
AURaptor volunteered, unasked by the privileged group in power, to speak for them.
Authoritarians are divided into leaders and their followers. AURaptor is unpaid, which makes AURaptor a follower. The leaders are stingy with their followers. Followers never amount to anything. They don't get paid with a house on Martha's Vineyard, a Hawaiian bungalow, or a lodge in Aspen. AURaptor is in the lowest caste of Authoritarians, the wanna-be caste.
The Authoritarians at http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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'Enhanced interrogation' is just one of those military terms that are used to soften or disguise the nasty actions of one's own side. Of course it means torture, but it's the code, just like these
friendly fire - oops we killed our own people
collatoral damage - oops we killed a whole bunch of civilians
pre-emptive strike - we invaded a country
enemy combatant - we can avoid protocols of the Geneva Convention demands of prisoners of war
Ah gotta love semantics.
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Libtard
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Jongs, you can and should get help. Really.
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Magonsbitch is just a fucking big mouth thread whore.
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MAGONS HAHAHA, .... yes, JSS needs help, and here he is! Conveniently showing us all just how much he does! Sometimes JSS is so right on the money with some things, but then.... yikes!
I found this on Zerohedge
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59% Of Americans Support Post-9/11 Torture – Propaganda, Cultural Sickness, Or Both?
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
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Ever since the torture report was released last week, U.S. television outlets have endlessly featured American torturers and torture proponents. But there was one group that was almost never heard from: the victims of their torture, not even the ones recognized by the U.S. Government itself as innocent, not even the family members of the ones they tortured to death. Whether by design (most likely) or effect, this inexcusable omission radically distorts coverage.
Whenever America is forced to confront its heinous acts, the central strategy is to disappear the victims, render them invisible. That’s what robs them of their humanity: it’s the process of dehumanization. That, in turns, is what enables American elites first to support atrocities, and then, when forced to reckon with them, tell themselves that – despite some isolated and well-intentioned bad acts – they are still really good, elevated, noble, admirable people. It’s hardly surprising, then, that a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this morning found that a large majority of Americans believe torture is justified even when you call it “torture.” Not having to think about actual human victims makes it easy to justify any sort of crime.
– From Glenn Greenwald’s latest piece: U.S. TV Provides Ample Platform for American Torturers, but None to Their Victims
After reading about a new poll that shows 59% of Americans support post 9/11 torture, I’ve spent the entire morning thinking about what it means. Does this confirm the total degeneration of American culture into a collective of chicken-hawk, unthinking, statist war-mongering automatons? Alternatively, does it merely reflect the effectiveness of corporate-government propaganda? Is it a combination of both? How does the poll spilt by age group?
These are all important questions to which I do not have definitive answers, but I have some thoughts I’d like to share. First, here are some of the observations from the Washington Post:
A majority of Americans believe that the harsh interrogation techniques used on terrorism suspects after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were justified, even as about half the public says the treatment amounted to torture, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
By an almost 2-1 margin, or 59-to-31?percent, those interviewed support the CIA’s brutal methods, with the vast majority of supporters saying they produced valuable intelligence.
In general, 58?percent say the torture of suspected terrorists can be justified “often” or “sometimes.”
The new poll comes on the heels of a scathing Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into the CIA’s detention and interrogation program, which President Obama ended in 2009. The report concluded that controversial interrogation techniques — including waterboarding detainees, placing them in stress positions and keeping them inside confinement boxes — were not an effective means of acquiring intelligence.
This is important, because despite the Senate Report showing torture was not effective in acquiring intelligence (see: Revelations from the Torture Report – CIA Lies, Nazi Methods and the $81 Million No-Bid Torture Contract), the American public thinks it was. This is the power of mainstream media spin and propaganda.
Fifty-three percent of Americans say the CIA’s harsh interrogation of suspected terrorists produced important information that could not have been obtained any other way, while 31?percent say it did not.
In a CBS poll released Monday, nearly seven in 10 considered waterboarding torture, but about half said the technique and others are, at times, justified. Fifty-seven percent saidNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME