We tortured some folks
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Sunday, June 1, 2025 14:38
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig - I do not think you say what you think you say.
Perhaps Sig just cannot comprehend the meanings of bombs, guns, artillery. Or how they have been used in history, when building nations and creating societies.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
.. because there were a lot of people who shared an idea of how they wanted to live
The Manson Family lived like that. So did the Jim Jones People's Temple followers. You shoulda been there. A deranged psycho like you would have become their go to gal in no time.
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.. because George Washington bombed the colonists into supporting his cause.
I'd expect even a hopeless moron like you to know that Washington fought the British, not the colonists.
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.. because there were a lot of people who shared an idea of how they wanted to live- SIGNY
The Manson Family lived like that. So did the Jim Jones People's Temple followers. You shoulda been there. A deranged psycho like you would have become their go to gal in no time.-JSS
Quote:That was exactly my point. It's hard to believe, but your reading comprehension is even worse that rappy's. So, do you get it now?
.. because George Washington bombed the colonists into supporting his cause.-SIGNY
I'd expect even a hopeless moron like you to know that Washington fought the British, not the colonists.- JSS
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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One must be a special brand of warped to believe that " building a nation on bombs " some how implies that the U.S. used those bombs ON ITS OWN PEOPLE, instead of fighting FOR its freedom against the Crown.
And how did Germany of today get built ? By destroying the NAZI death grip it had on the German people...how ? WITH BOMBS !
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And every single instance that Brennan pointed to has been disproved. Every one
Brennan, the HEAD of the CIA, disagrees. You're claiming you know more than him ?
At best, neither of us know a damn thing. But when the head of the CIA says that such things are " unknowable " w/ regard to EIT leading to legit intel, *I* hear inside the beltway , PC spin, where he really DOES know, but is just being too 'diplomatic' to come out and say it.
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When you claim that you got "actionable intelligence" to detain a person from a victim of torture, but that person was detained a YEAR BEFORE the information was obtained via torture, that is serious serious timeline sloppiness! WTF??? What are we paying these guys for? They can't even lie convincingly!
Obviously, you failed Logic 101.
Subject was in custody " A YEAR BEFORE the information was obtained ". Your words.
So, let's review. Bad guy gets caught. Bad guy says nothing. They try and try, asking nicely, and nothing.
Then EITs are tried ( not torture - we agree that TORTURE doesn't yield positive results ). So, GOOD intel was recovered from the bad guys.
Intel we used, and which lead us to UBL.
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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One must be a special brand of warped to believe that " building a nation on bombs " some how implies that the U.S. used those bombs ON ITS OWN PEOPLE, instead of fighting FOR its freedom against the Crown.
Are you being stupid on purpose? My comment was IRONIC. It was meant to demonstrate that the USA was NOT built by the Founding Fathers via bombing, shelling, and shooting the colonists. That proves my point: You CAN'T build a society by forcing people to comply, simply by the threat of violence alone. The Founding Fathers didn't, because they can't.
I've said this already.
Your level of incomprehension is incomprehensible. How can anyone be so very very obtuse?
Quote:Obviously, you failed reading 1.
Obviously, you failed Logic 101. Subject was in custody " A YEAR BEFORE the information was obtained ". Your words. So, let's review. Bad guy gets caught. Bad guy says nothing. They try and try, asking nicely, and nothing.
Brennan claimed, for example, that torturing Khalid Sheik Mohammed prevented a terrorist attack on the USA. Here's the problem: The guy they detained, which they claimed prevented a terrorist attack, was detained A YEAR before Khalid was detained. How could Khalid possibly have provided information to prevent a terrorist attack, when the suspected perp was arrested over a year before Khalid?
Once again, your incomprehension is incomprehensible. Brennan was tripped up ... by Brennan.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Are you being stupid on purpose? My comment was IRONIC. It was meant to demonstrate that the USA was NOT built by the Founding Fathers via bombing, shelling, and shooting the colonists.
No one would ever even THINK like that in the first place, which only makes MY point, you'd have to be a special brand of warped to even come up w/ such an idiotic idea.
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That proves my point: You CAN'T build a society by forcing people to comply, simply by the threat of violence alone. The Founding Fathers didn't, because they can't.
They fought FOR their freedom, AGAINST the crown. Using what ? BOMBS ! Good grief, how dense is that brain of yours ?
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I've said this already.
Your level of incomprehension is incomprehensible. How can anyone be so very very obtuse?
Your original sig NEVER hinted at any such lunacy,so no one in their right mind would put 2 and 2 together and get giraffe, like YOU'VE done.
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Obviously, you failed reading 1.
Brennan claimed, for example, that torturing Khalid Sheik Mohammed prevented a terrorist attack on the USA. Here's the problem: The guy they detained, which they claimed prevented a terrorist attack, was detained A YEAR before Khalid was detained. How could Khalid possibly have provided information to prevent a terrorist attack, when the suspected perp was arrested over a year before Khalid?
First of all, that's no where CLOSE to anything you said. Might have meant that, but you didn't say it. I'm good, but I can't read minds.
Second, Brennan never claimed we tortured ANYONE. If you can find where he SPECIFICALLY said ' torture ', then post the quote here.Please. And no Mother Jones type crap where they CONJECTURE that's what he meant, but didn't actually say.
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Once again, your incomprehension is incomprehensible. Brennan was tripped up ... by Brennan.
So says you, but that and $ 3 won't get you a decent pint.
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So you don't like thinking, rappy?
You prefer to respond to events like one of Pavlov's dogs ... No thinking involved! THANKS for elaborating further!
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So you don't like thinking, rappy?
You prefer to respond to events like one of Pavlov's dogs ... No thinking involved! THANKS for elaborating further!
And yet another 2+2 = giraffe response form the Leftards.
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If you want to do anything other than reflexively respond to events - like one of Pavlov's dogs - you have to put them into a mental context. You have to compare them to your memories ... to the mental models people have given you about the world ... and to alternatives that might exist but don't.
FOR EXAMPLE: if you want to claim that one event prevented another, you have to imagine what would have happened otherwise. In other words, you have to run a thought experiment (or in your case, parrot the thought experiments of others, since you are so abysmally stupid you could NEVER do one on your own).
So what is it, little boy? Do you indulge thought experiments? Or are you one of Pavlov's dogs?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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The world doesn't work in such either / or terms as you lay them out, kookoo.
Sorry, but your totalitarian attempt to force others into accepting either:
Stupidly simplistic and false option A
or
Excessively Self Reinforcing option B
has failed.
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