We tortured some folks
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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So, the fact that the BRITISH couldn't maintain their empire by BOMBING us somehow disproves my point?
You might want to learn some history, son!
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns. But rappy thinks so!
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Sig, on such matters you're showing yourself to be naive, ignorant and unwavering in your stubbornness.
we BUILT a nation out of war ( yes, bombs were used ) and have maintained it with the 2nd Amendment.
It's not that I THINK so, I KNOW so.
Ya might want to see to that.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig, on such matters you're showing yourself to be naive, ignorant and unwavering in your stubbornness.
we BUILT a nation out of war ( yes, bombs were used ) and have maintained it with the 2nd Amendment.
It's not that I THINK so, I KNOW so.
Ya might want to see to that.
Just one of a hundred examples of why Sniggy's full of shit ....
In November 1775, George Washington sent Henry Knox to bring to Boston the heavy artillery that had been captured at Fort Ticonderoga. By January 1776 Knox brought back many cannons to the Boston area. In March 1776, these artillery fortified Dorchester Heights overlooking Boston, its harbor, and threatened the British supply lifeline. The British commander William Howe saw his position as indefensible and withdrew to the British stronghold at Halifax, Nova Scotia. The city of Boston was liberated from British occupation. A great American victory, Washington was promoted to General, and enlistments in the army soared. And a few months later, on July 4, 1776, our country was born.
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Because. of course, the reason why the USA was created wasn't because there were a lot of people who shared an idea of how they wanted to live, but because George Washington bombed the colonists into supporting his cause.
Or whatever.
Pods.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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This man is the devil incarnate............you could almost hear his maniacal laugh.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
"Dick Cheney is Lying" http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/12/11/yes-the-cia-is-lying/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Cheney is full of bluff and bluster on TV. Read the CIA cables that show Cheney knows torture was a complete waste of time and money, but he is too small and not man enough to admit it on TV. "Dick Cheney is Lying" http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/12/11/yes-the-cia-is-lying/
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This man is the devil incarnate............you could almost hear his maniacal laugh.
Does he seem like the "devil incarnate" when poor little Dick Cheney, who wants to take a European vacation, can not? He'd be arrested. That's why Dick is angry all the time.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/11/us/politics/americans-involved-in
-torture-can-be-prosecuted-abroad-analysts-say.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Because. of course, the reason why the USA was created wasn't because there were a lot of people who shared an idea of how they wanted to live, but because George Washington bombed the colonists into supporting his cause.
Or whatever.
Pods.
Yeah, that happened.
Not.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Yes, we can.
Actually, we HAVE !!
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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I got through about 150 pages of the 526 page report and while I have no sympathy for the prisoners at Guantanamo, the report just saddens me.
I am not American and I am not going to judge what was done, I simply state it is disappointing to me that it has happened.
My reasoning?
The enhanced interrogation pushed the boundaries of ethical behavior established by the Geneva Convention. There are lines that should not be crossed and giving up certain ideals to defend others is just illogical. A country that takes great pride in its ideals and principles, compromising those ideals for no reason other than expediency is just antithetical.
And yes, other "civilized" countries have used such enhanced interrogation techniques; but that doesn't make it OK and neither does descending to the level of one's enemies. My country has jailed personnel for much less and I hope it will continue to do so. There should be a difference between "us" and "them" in at least honor.
It has happened before and it will happen again, but that doesn't mean I should like or accept it. Nothing I can do about it but lament the loss of honor and decency that used to mean something to those who had pride in them self and their country and the ideals it used to stand for.
If my country is found to have been involved in such activities I will be first in line to demand that those responsible be held accountable.
Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been
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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
If my country is found to have been involved in such activities I will be first in line to demand that those responsible be held accountable.
And if your country had been attacked and 2,996 civilians had been killed ?
I think you're lying to yourself if you think you'd be fine w/ politely asking them over and over for information.
Geneva ? Hell, by those rules, each and every prisoner in Gitmo could be killed on the battlefield, and that would seen as just fine. Obama does the easy thing and rocket drones the suspects , and their innocent bystanders, to bits. Where's the moral outrage there ? Mr Nobel Peace Prize gets a pass , while Cheney and Bush get painted as the evil villains.
EITs worked. They got UBL and others.
That report is a bunch of crap, exactly as Cheney said it was. Not ONE CIA employee was interviewed, questioned, or anything. That info came from terrorists and their lawyers.
And SGG ? Sorry, Cheney sounds like a real man, nothing 'evil' or satanic about him, what so ever. His is a view that's not naive to the REAL world, and of those who'd want to murder innocents. Cheney is a sober
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Quote:So . . . EITs ( Enhanced interrogation techniques ) worked?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And if your country had been attacked and 2,996 civilians had been killed ?
... EITs worked.
Quote:www.nationalreview.com/corner/394340/torture-thought-experiment-andrew
Here is a thought experiment I have been using for many years as we’ve debated this topic....If you take everyone in America who is serving a minor jail sentence of say, 6 to 18 months, and you ask them whether they’d rather serve the rest of their time or be waterboarded....how many would choose waterboarding? I am guessing, conservatively, that over 95 percent would choose waterboarding.
....So ignore the blather about how enhanced interrogation is “not who we are.”
-c-mccarthy
There's no legalistic blather here. Just straight up advocacy of torturing enemy combatants.
But here's a thought experiment. Suppose any other country in the world did what America did. Waterboarding. Sleep deprivation. Physical abuse. Stress positions. Rectal feeding. Nudity. Extreme heat and cold. All for months or years in an effort to turn prisoners into broken husks. Let's say that it was Russia or Iran, and the victims were American captives. What would Americans call it then? Enhanced interrogation techniques? I doubt it.
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