Edge of Tomorrow

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SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, November 7, 2014 11:22 AM

I'm using my imagination and filling in the blanks. Kind of developing a back story
to complete a picture of just who is Cage.

We know that Batman is Bruce Wayne, but we assume that he loved his parents (who did not actually raise him). We know that Alfred stays with him throughout his childhood. What does he think of Alfred? What about Rachel Dawes?

Why do I assume that Bruce loves his parents? You tell me, Joker.

Anyway, we don't have to be told things verbatim, that can be expressed through inference.

SGG

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If you feel different, please provide cinematic proof (within the context of the film, please) as to why you feel this is not so. What part of what he tells the general strikes you as heroic? How exactly did he earn his rank as Major?

SGG

Did you read my post on rank of non-combat personnel?

What I'm talking about is within the film.

I know that he was a major, and how he got to be one. ROTC training, owned an advertising agency, etc. He did not earn his position on the battlefield,

that is not in the film.
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hence Farrell's speech and it's true meaning.

I did not say he was stupid, Cage was plenty smart, so much so, he thought blackmailing a general would (like in the civilian world) get him the results he would ordinarily get. He even tried to run. He had no clue about the inner workings of the military world.

that is not in the film.
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In the beginning of the film, Cage talks about how with limited training a soldier could literally defeat an army with the suit on. He certainly finds out differently. Just before he tries blackmailing the general, he tells him how he can't stand the sight of blood, not even so much as a paper cut. He is a complete wuss. Cage might have been a major, but it was not due to his combat skills or his military prowess.

that is not in the film.
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The US Army must have been desperate to give him the rank of major,

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or he probably got it through conniving and his underhanded abilities.

that is not in the film.
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SGG

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 8, 2014 2:48 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm using my imagination and filling in the blanks. Kind of developing a back story
to complete a picture of just who is Cage.

Anyway, we don't have to be told things verbatim, that can be expressed through inference.

SGG
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please provide cinematic proof (within the context of the film, please)

SGG

What I'm talking about is within the film.

SGG

really.

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, November 8, 2014 4:04 AM

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I know that he was a major, and how he got to be one. ROTC training, owned an advertising agency, etc. He did not earn his position on the battlefield,

that is not in the film.

That is absolutely 100% in the film. Major - check. ROTC - check. PR man - check. War ended his ad company, and he got called in to do PR for the military. Check. Check.

It's 100% true that he had no combat training and "earned" his rank through other means. It's not just *in* the film; it is central to the plot and character development.

Check that fuzzy memory of yours JSF.

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I did not say he was stupid, Cage was plenty smart, so much so, he thought blackmailing a general would (like in the civilian world) get him the results he would ordinarily get. He even tried to run. He had no clue about the inner workings of the military world.

that is not in the film.

That is most certainly in the film. It's in every action Cage takes in the first 10-20 minutes.

JSF, can you point out any action Cage takes in the first go around of the time loop that suggests that he does have military combat training? SGG and I can point out (and have pointed out) several things to show that he doesn't. So whatcha got?

In fact, in previous posts in this thread you were rather strident about how he did NOT have military training, ie the general was a very bad unfair man to send poor untrained Cage to the front with no experience.

So which is it?

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In the beginning of the film, Cage talks about how with limited training a soldier could literally defeat an army with the suit on. He certainly finds out differently. Just before he tries blackmailing the general, he tells him how he can't stand the sight of blood, not even so much as a paper cut. He is a complete wuss. Cage might have been a major, but it was not due to his combat skills or his military prowess.

that is not in the film.

That is in the film. Cage has no idea about combat. He can't even turn off the safety on the suit. He's completely green.

Again, JSF, can you point out the scenes in the movie that make you believe he earned his rank through military prowess? They must have been convincing, to make you change your mind since those posts of yours I referred to already. The ones where you said Cage had no training.

So what lines/scenes convinced you? Now, I'm talking about actual things that happen in the movie, not ones you make up in your fuzzy memory.

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The US Army must have been desperate to give him the rank of major,
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or he probably got it through conniving and his underhanded abilities.

that is not in the film.

These are indeed not in the film, and not necessary for the plot. Cage started out a wuss and a coward, but he was a good PR man. He did that well, and it was useful to the military. In that sense I think he earned his position.

His failure was in being willing to recruit 1000s of human beings to give away their lives when he wasn't willing to take any sort of risk himself, even one that was far short of what they risked. IN that he was pure hypocrite and coward.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, November 10, 2014 1:41 AM

This is solely for SGG. I will try to clarify.

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If you feel different, please provide cinematic proof (within the context of the film, please) as to why you feel this is not so. What part of what he tells the general strikes you as heroic? How exactly did he earn his rank as Major?

SGG

Did you read my post on rank of non-combat personnel?

What I'm talking about is within the film.

He did not earn his position on the battlefield,

that is not in the film.

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He had no clue about the inner workings of the military world.

that is not in the film.

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Cage might have been a major, but it was not due to his combat skills or his military prowess.

that is not in the film.

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The US Army must have been desperate to give him the rank of major,

that is not in the film.

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or he probably got it through conniving and his underhanded abilities.

that is not in the film.

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SGG

I hope that reduces your confusion.

ECGORDON

Monday, November 10, 2014 2:19 AM

JSF, you continually dig a deeper hole for yourself. Just because something is not specifically stated or shown in the film, it doesn't mean you can't infer certain things based on a character's actions. There is no reason to assume Cage reached his position due to military action or training, but there is ample reason to assume he got it by political means.

There is no argument that Cage is a hero by the end of the film, but he is the exact opposite at the beginning. SGG has asked you multiple times to show where in the movie it is shown or stated otherwise, but you have failed to do so.

MAL4PREZ

Monday, November 10, 2014 3:46 AM

Quoted from previous posts. Questions for JSF.

1. Can you point out any action Cage takes in the first go around of the time loop that suggests that he does have military combat training?

2. In fact, in previous posts in this thread you were rather strident about how he did NOT have military training, ie the general was a very bad unfair man to send poor untrained Cage to the front with no experience. So which is it?

3. What lines/scenes convinced you? Now, I'm talking about actual things that happen in the movie, not ones you make up in your fuzzy memory.

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MAL4PREZ

Monday, November 10, 2014 3:54 AM

And here is what JSF said in the first page of this thread:

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No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He ["He" here being Cage] was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there.

JSF said, straight up, that Cage was "not, absolutely not" a "trained guy."

My lord, JSF, you really are a troll. You make it so easy to prove what a doorknob you are. What is so wrong with you that you feed off being such an obvious moron? Have you no pride?

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SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, November 10, 2014 12:35 PM

JSF, I really enjoy talking about a good movie and figuring out the different meanings and plot twists, but you make it hard to want to continue the discussion.

I am more than willing to discuss anyone's take on a film's theme or a character's motivation. All, like any work of art, stimulates the imagination and stirs the soul. But you frustratingly refuse to logically discuss these matters with an open mind. If you don't want to discuss a film's merit with even a hint of civil intelligence, I will not continue to beat a dead horse thinking I will get a different result.

SGG

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This is solely for SGG. I will try to clarify.
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If you feel different, please provide cinematic proof (within the context of the film, please) as to why you feel this is not so. What part of what he tells the general strikes you as heroic? How exactly did he earn his rank as Major?

SGG

Did you read my post on rank of non-combat personnel?

What I'm talking about is within the film.

He did not earn his position on the battlefield,

that is not in the film.
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He had no clue about the inner workings of the military world.

that is not in the film.
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Cage might have been a major, but it was not due to his combat skills or his military prowess.

that is not in the film.
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The US Army must have been desperate to give him the rank of major,

that is not in the film.
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or he probably got it through conniving and his underhanded abilities.

that is not in the film.
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SGG

I hope that reduces your confusion.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, November 10, 2014 1:32 PM

Thanks M4P, I knew that I was spinning my wheels im my attempt to intelligently discuss this film with JSF, for reasons even beyond my own understanding, I felt that maybe there would be an exchange of ideas (such as our discussions) whereby we could both benefit.

Sadly, I was wrong.

I say sadly because I truly love film, and discussing it gives me great satisfaction. As an aside, every time I see this film I discover something new. By the way, the "Cage" in the book describes himself as green, a raw recruit. Cruise is a bit old to play the role of a green recruit (with little in the way of combat skills), so the script called for an older guy with a "yellow" streak and dubious credentials. Having that meeting at the start of the film was indeed crucial to the set in Act One. But, please forgive me for explaining to you, of all people, the intricacies of Film 101.

Part of the reason I'm so impressed with the script is that it sets up, with great success and in a short period of time, just who our guy is. A fast-talking, double-dealing manipulator who has no compunction to blackmail a superior officer. A truly sound professional piece of work by Christopher McQuarrie (I'm attaching a review from Screen Rant that has some interesting observations).

http://screenrant.com/edge-tomorrow-alternate-ending/

Thanks again, don't be such a stranger

SGG

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And here is what JSF said in the first page of this thread:

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No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He ["He" here being Cage] was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there.

JSF said, straight up, that Cage was "not, absolutely not" a "trained guy."

My lord, JSF, you really are a troll. You make it so easy to prove what a doorknob you are. What is so wrong with you that you feed off being such an obvious moron? Have you no pride?

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SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, November 10, 2014 1:48 PM

Thanks EC, for your support. I tried to be clear and concise about my position on the film, but to no avail. I do enjoy when a film guides you, rather than spoon-feed you through the story.

Well, you know more than most.

SGG

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JSF, you continually dig a deeper hole for yourself. Just because something is not specifically stated or shown in the film, it doesn't mean you can't infer certain things based on a character's actions. There is no reason to assume Cage reached his position due to military action or training, but there is ample reason to assume he got it by political means.

There is no argument that Cage is a hero by the end of the film, but he is the exact opposite at the beginning. SGG has asked you multiple times to show where in the movie it is shown or stated otherwise, but you have failed to do so.

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