So, when I hear Iraq is being taken over by I.S.I.S. ...

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THGRRI

Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:15 PM

It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths. It has been my ascertain from the beginning that this is the case with you. What you post may make for interesting reading but it holds little value beyond that because it is tainted with biases and misrepresented facts.

si shen

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:55 PM

My concern with the press is them being a driving force behind decisions made by the President. Between the press and some Republicans constantly suggesting the President has been acting skittishly when it comes to the Middle East, I feel it may start to influence his decisions. (Perhaps it already has)

We need to make sure ISIS stays within the parameters of where it exists now and eventually the Sunnis will clean house. Iraq is a failed state created by the British I believe, and we need to let it divide itself up into what it resembled before. Let geography separate the religions.

si shen

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
My concern with the press is them being a driving force behind decisions made by the President. Between the press and some Republicans constantly suggesting the President has been acting skittishly when it comes to the Middle East, I feel it may start to influence his decisions. (Perhaps it already has)

We need to make sure ISIS stays within the parameters of where it exists now and eventually the Sunnis will clean house. Iraq is a failed state created by the British I believe, and we need to let it divide itself up into what it resembled before. Let geography separate the religions.

si shen

And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:59 PM

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And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

That’s a ridiculous argument. This has nothing to do with skin color or religion. These are universal variables that exists within the Middle East. Their all brown, even those we assist.

si shen

SIGNYM

Friday, June 27, 2014 6:08 PM

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It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths.

It seems you believe in a lot of things for which you have absolutely no evidence, and that's just one of those beliefs.

I've read many things which have fundamentally changed my thoughts and perceptions... I have a whole graveyard of beliefs which have died for lack of proof, or because of the existence of countervailing evidence, starting with my belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, quickly followed by my belief in god, capitalism, democracy (as currently practiced), the evolution and perfectibility of society, the intelligence of human beings, evolution (generally) as a positive force, "efficiency" as a positive force, and a crap-ton of other beliefs that haven't withstood the test of time and experience. I hope that I'll shed even more beliefs, since I intend to keep learning for the rest of my life.

YOU, OTOH-- well, you seem like you're full of beliefs, aren't you? Have you changed a single one since you were 12? If not, then perhaps it could be said much more of you than me that it doesn't matter what YOU read (assuming you read at all!) because you seem exceptionally resistant to new ideas, even when presented with blunt facts.

Beliefs are pointless and useless. Come back when you have something other than "belief" to discuss.

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 27, 2014 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

Absolutely. Especially if they're doing it to themselves.

Whether its in the M.E., or Africa.

Nothing that goes on over there should concern us in the least.

THGRRI

Friday, June 27, 2014 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths.
It seems you believe in a lot of things for which you have absolutely no evidence, and that's just one of those beliefs.

I've read many things which have fundamentally changed my thoughts and perceptions... I have a whole graveyard of beliefs which have died for lack of proof, or because of the existence of countervailing evidence, starting with my belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, quickly followed by my belief in god, capitalism, democracy (as currently practiced), the evolution and perfectibility of society, the intelligence of human beings, evolution (generally) as a positive force, "efficiency" as a positive force, and a crap-ton of other beliefs that haven't withstood the test of time and experience. I hope that I'll shed even more beliefs, since I intend to keep learning for the rest of my life.

YOU, OTOH-- well, you seem like you're full of beliefs, aren't you? Have you changed a single one since you were 12? If not, then perhaps it could be said much more of you than me that it doesn't matter what YOU read (assuming you read at all!) because you seem exceptionally resistant to new ideas, even when presented with blunt facts.

Beliefs are pointless and useless. Come back when you have something other than "belief" to discuss.

Nice speech. It is bullshit of course, but nice speech.

si shen

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 28, 2014 1:05 AM

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Nice speech. It is bullshit of course, but nice speech.

In other words, you got nothing. Except more belief.

THGRRI

Saturday, June 28, 2014 1:31 AM

No as I said nice bit of bullshit which means nothing. Just more of a defense presented by you that you are diverse in thinking.

As I said, bullshit.

si shen

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 28, 2014 2:57 AM

What is the point of being pointlessly "diverse"? I try to understand reality, and there isn't a diversity of reality, there is only one.

Here's a lesson: Despite the common saying that you have your reality and I have mine, the universe doesn't really work that way: we live in the same reality. The only thing we differ on is our understanding of it, and whether my understanding is closer to actuality than yours or vice versa. There are a few ways to determine whose model is "better" (more congruent with reality), and since this isn't a laboratory situation where we can experiment endlessly to prove a point, we're limited to seeing whose explanations best (1) explain the greatest number of facts without being contradicted by other known facts or (2) predict future or (3) a combination.

Your "understanding" of the world, to use the term loosely, greatly depends on ignoring a vast number of facts. Since my understanding of the world explains not only the facts YOU understand, but also the facts you refuse to admit to, my understanding encompasses yours.

Also, so we don't get bolloxed up in the future, I use the word "truth" to mean "real", not "belief".

A lot of people seem to think that if they feel something deeply, it must be "true". Well, I know a lot of people who deeply feel that god is watching over them. It may be sincerely felt, but it's not necessarily referencing anything real.

When you can come to the board with something BESIDES your deeply felt opinions, you'll be a more interesting person to talk to.

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