So, when I hear Iraq is being taken over by I.S.I.S. ...

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1KIKI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:22 PM

And you don't?

I didn't bring it up in the Ukraine pipeline thread, but your ideas were and are just plain stupid, and showed - and ALWAYS show - a significant anti-Russian bias. You claimed that somehow it was supposed to be a lesson to Russia.

You know what would happen if Ukrainians blew up a through-pipeline? EUROPE would be pissed off AT THE UKRAINE. Especially if it looked like part of an official policy.

Man are you dumb. AND BIASED!

Troll.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:29 PM

Also, hubby's view is different that mine. In his opinion, nobody has drawn a direct line between "ISIS" in Irag and ISIS in Syria. He thinks "ISIS" in Iraq is really the deposed leadership of the former Iraqi (Sunni) army. One interview that I heard, which I thought was interesting, was that jihadists always claim credit - even for things they haven't done- which takes nothing more than putting black flags with Arabic writing on a few trucks and driving around. In other words, nothing more than a publicity stunt involving a dozen men and a few trucks and several flags.

The population welcomed the victors. According to eyewitness reports the city of Mosul is freer now than it was under Maliki's army.

I don't bring this up because I think it's true, but just to add more ideas to the speculation that's already going on.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:04 PM

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What you say about guessing may be true unless you have an agenda in mind while guessing. That is my point, you have an agenda.

You are hardly the one to be accusing people of having "an agenda". You can't even answer the question about where those quotes came from, because it puts your intellectual idols in a bad light. You're basically fact-avoidant because your agenda won't let you be otherwise.

In order to make good guesses, you have to put yourself in the shoes of ALL of the players. That means identifying key interests. With Russia, it was clearly Sevastopol specifically, home of the Black Sea Fleet, and Crimea generally.

With Iraq, I can imagine that the (fundamentalist Sunni) Saudi Royal family has a significant interest in denting the Shia government of Iraq (which is backed by Iran, the Saudi Royal Family's key nemesis) so they can put in a pipeline via Iraq and Syria to the eastern Mediterranean. A person can't make those kinds of projections if they are blind to the real interests of ALL the key players, and particularly if they're running around with such big blinders on that that fail to see 99% of events.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:38 PM

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…1kiki
And you don't?
I didn't bring it up in the Ukraine pipeline thread, but your ideas were and are just plain stupid, and showed - and ALWAYS show - a significant anti-Russian bias. You claimed that somehow it was supposed to be a lesson to Russia.
You know what would happen if Ukrainians blew up a through-pipeline? EUROPE would be pissed off AT THE UKRAINE. Especially if it looked like part of an official policy.
Man are you dumb. AND BIASED!
Troll

Yes, yes, without a doubt I had, have an agenda, although not the agenda you suggest. It should be apparent to all that read my posts responding to sigynm what that agenda was, is. That signym was placing all the blame for the problems in the Ukraine at the feet of the Europeans and the United States while plastering the site with Russian propaganda…stupid

And yes, I am on the side of the Ukrainians in this matter. After all, Russia has invaded their country with most of the current trouble makers being from Russia. They should do all they can to fight back. If that means forcing Europe into stronger sanctions against Russia by cutting off their oil supply, so be it. Why should Europe benefit from pipelines running across the Ukraine if the Ukrainians do not? And yes we should help them with money and advice.

She is doing exactly the same thing with the Middle East by suggesting the United States is sponsoring terrorists, and as you have pointed out my agenda is the same in this thread as well. No denial here.

Another difference I have from the two of you is I will state what I think outright and not try to fill the post with subjective crap and slide in through the back door so I still have a certain amount of deniability. ….Troll

si shen

THGRRI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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What you say about guessing may be true unless you have an agenda in mind while guessing. That is my point, you have an agenda.
You are hardly the one to be accusing people of having "an agenda". You can't even answer the question about where those quotes came from, because it puts your intellectual idols in a bad light. You're basically fact-avoidant because your agenda won't let you be otherwise.

In order to make good guesses, you have to put yourself in the shoes of ALL of the players. That means identifying key interests. With Russia, it was clearly Sevastopol specifically, home of the Black Sea Fleet, and Crimea generally.

With Iraq, I can imagine that the (fundamentalist Sunni) Saudi Royal family has a significant interest in denting the Shia government of Iraq (which is backed by Iran, the Saudi Royal Family's key nemesis) so they can put in a pipeline via Iraq and Syria to the eastern Mediterranean. A person can't make those kinds of projections if they are blind to the real interests of ALL the key players, and particularly if they're running around with such big blinders on that that fail to see 99% of events.

Save you teaching points for someone who does not see right through you and knows how you operate.

Want to get a hint on what's going on in the Middle East. Try looking at what the borders were a hundred or so years ago.

si shen

1KIKI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:47 PM

troll.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2014 12:01 AM

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She is doing exactly the same thing with the Middle East by suggesting the United States is sponsoring terrorists

I'm not "suggesting" that the United States is sponsoring terrorists, I'm saying it outright. We tolerate, aid, and abet the terrorists sponsored by Saudi Arabia, and we've been doing it for years.

Not only have we been doing that in the Middle East, we've been doing it everywhere for years, whether they were neo-Nazis (like Franco in Spain) in Europe or generalissomos in Central and South America. It's a little hard to deny, there are far too many real-life examples with names and dates attached.

Also, as I have quite plainly said, the United States government has LIED its way into wars quite routinely. Again, it's a little hard to deny as there are too many names, dates, and historic facts to back this up.

I think someone washed your brain a little too aggressively because they sure didn't leave much for you to work with.

THGRRI

Monday, June 23, 2014 12:09 AM

Middle East today:

During Ottoman Empire 1914

si shen

SIGNYM

Monday, June 23, 2014 12:20 AM

OH LOOK!

MAPS!!!!

sheesh

THGRRI

Monday, June 23, 2014 12:33 AM

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…..signym
I'm not "suggesting" that the United States is sponsoring terrorists, I'm saying it outright. We tolerate, aid, and abet the terrorists sponsored by Saudi Arabia, and we've been doing it for years.

Thank you that is all I am saying. That it took till now for you to outright admit it is how it works with you. It takes time to pull you out. Back to my agenda which is that going forward your biases against this country will be easier to expose. What you suggest going forward, no matter what the topic, what the thread, now becomes easier to place into the real perspective you intend, not what you hide behind. This also applies to your minion 1kiki. Other posters will bypass all the garbage you post like:

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….signym
Not only have we been doing that in the Middle East, we've been doing it everywhere for years, whether they were neo-Nazis (like Franco in Spain) in Europe or generalissomos in Central and South America. It's a little hard to deny, there are far too many real-life examples with names and dates attached.

And get right back to the focus of the thread and bring to light your bias driven opinions. The world is a far more complicated place than you appear to be able to wrap your head around.

si shen

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