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AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 21, 2014 7:40 AM

Sunni Extremists in Iraq Occupy Hussein's Chemical Weapons Facility

Officials Don't Believe the Militants Will Be Able to Create a Functional Weapon From the Material

http://online.wsj.com/articles/sunni-extremists-in-iraq-occupy-saddams
-chemical-weapons-facility-1403190600

Also, does anyone know WHY Obama and his administration insists on calling the militants ISIL, when damn near everyone else in the media refers to them as ISIS ??

Just curious, is all.

THGRRI

Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:20 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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In the case I sited they said they were delivered by helicopter in 50 gallon drums
fixed that for you.
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you get your news from a source that says the Holocaust did not happen.
You get our news from people who believe in one-world government?

I show you an article that says the UN believes helicopters were used in a gas attack and you still imply it was the rebels. Every one reading this thread knows the rebels in Syria do not have helicopters.

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signym
But the UN made no claims about WHO used it. And seeing that jihadists with Sarin had been arrested earlier at the Turkish border... and that Assad had absolutely no reason whatsoever to use it,

You continue to expose your opinions to be irrational. There will come a point where nothing you say will be credible. I don't think it will take to long. Perhaps most already think that?

si shen

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:40 AM

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In the case I sited they were delivered by helicopter in 50 gallon drums,

Well, first of all, you didn't provide a link, so it's impossible to read the article that you cited. But in the quote you provided, the organization that is cited is Human Rights Watch, which- believe it or not- is NOT the UN! Yes, I know... so easyto get the two organizations mixed up!

Also, I looked this before I replied up to see if the UN had anything specific to add to the information, and the answer is.... they didn't. As before, the UN only confirmed that that chlorine gas (or some industrial chemical) was likely used, but they didn't make any claims as to who used it, or whether or not it was delivered by helicopter or not. If you read the articles carefully, and separate out what the USA claims and what the UN says, you'll find that the statements are intermingled but that the UN and the USA aren't saying the same thing at all, it's just a journalistic legerdemain.

You should do more research before you post.

Also, next time- post links.

And BTW- have you figured out yet who made those statements that I quoted?

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You should do more research before you post.

Where's that get fun?

THGRRI

Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:52 AM

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/13/syria-strong-evidence-government-us
ed-chemicals-weapon

WASHINGTON — In comments to reporters Tuesday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said there was strong evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces had used chemical weapons, including chlorine gas, in 14 small-scale attacks since Syria agreed to join the world’s ban on such weapons last fall.

Fabius made his comments shortly after the advocacy group Human Rights Watch released a report that said that evidence it has reviewed “strongly suggests” that regime helicopters dropped improvised explosives known as barrel bombs loaded with chlorine gas cylinders on three towns in northern Syria in mid-April. The report noted that only the Syrian government operates helicopters.

French foreign minister says Syria has likely used chlorine gas in recent attacks

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/13/227380/french-foreign-minister-s
ays-syria.html

Syrian Helicopters Dropped Chlorine Gas Bombs on Northern Towns: HRW

http://www.rttnews.com/2320568/syrian-helicopters-dropped-chlorine-gas
-bombs-on-northern-towns-hrw.aspx

A helicopter dropped two bombs laden with gas on the town of Al-Tamanah in the early hours of the morning, according to local activists, who said this was the third such attack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10799772/An
other-S

yrian-town-falls-prey-to-gas-attack.html
HRW: Strong evidence that Assad regime used chemical weapons .

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/11447-hrw-strong-evide
nce-that-assad-regime-used-chemical-weapons

You criticize my sources and post you believe what is printed in Iranian papers. You give all this detailed information about chemical weapons like how to identify them, and all other kinds of nonsense that you believe gives you creditability and do not realize you are arguing with the world.

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signym

At the time, I was extremely doubtful that Assad's government was to blame. As you may recall, I said that government-made chemical weapons have stabilizers in them, which vary depending on who is doing the manufacturing, and that they're loaded and delivered in mass-produced shells. It should be possible, then, by collecting samples of the chemical agent and by looking for the shells in which the chemicals were delivered to assign blame with less uncertainty.

Again, Subjective Garbage.

si shen

THGRRI

Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:52 PM

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I think I found out one of the problems. That is called "Reporting." What you are doing is called "Guessing." It's freeing to do what you do because you don't have to be right and you can be as creative as you like.

G you nailed it. This is what SIGNYM does. She mixes true and false statements with conjecture “guess work” which many times is not relevant to the topic. Except perhaps in an abstract way. It is nothing more than subjective writing skewed with all her biases.

I have found all her hypothesis come to the same conclusion. We did it, which tells me there is a flaw in her equations.

si shen

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:58 AM

Didn't I say that one of my ideas was a guess? Wow, it sure take you a long time to catch on!

AFA "reporting" is concerned... the reporter is faced with a welter of information. The trick is to figure out which is true and -of that- which is important.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:39 PM

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…signym
Didn't I say that one of my ideas was a guess? Wow, it sure take you a long time to catch on!

Suggesting that one of your ideas was a guess would mean something if all your guesses on different threads had different targets. The fact that the target remains the same points to a single minded purpose.

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…signym
AFA "reporting" is concerned... the reporter is faced with a welter of information. The trick is to figure out which is true and -of that- which is important.

As for reporting G has it right, you do not understand the concept.

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…..G
That is called "Reporting." What you are doing is called "Guessing’s. It’s freeing to do what you do because you don't have to be right and you can be as creative as you like.

I think it is a convenient lack of understanding on your part so you can weave your conspiracy theories against your chosen target.

si shen

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:47 PM

Guessing is like jumping off a cliff. Except that the only thing that goes "splat" in the end in an idea, so I guess it's a relatively safe experience.

Guessing is the source of insight. It is the basis of science, because the one thing that the scientific method can't explain is where the hypothesis that is to be tested came from. Well, the hypothesis came from an AHA! moment, a guess... when the mind ditched its constraints, went sideways, and finally saw what had been there all along.

I'm a terrible guesser. Not only that, I'm married to a wonderful guesser. Inference, he calls it, developed from gleaning little facts over the weeks, months, and (sometimes) years which tell a story. But over the years I've learned that guessing can be a game, I just had to lose my fear of being wrong, 'cause I've been wrong lots and lots of times!

By the way, there was one good guesser in the board, and in my opinion he was just this side... or maybe just the other side... of a dx of schizophrenia. In between the stories of being related to a wealthy family, the "treatments" that he endured abroad, the value to the wealthy and bored of being amusing, and his current status as a poor tomato farmer in NY state he came up with some brilliant insights. He also laid a few eggs, but I think back fondly on the poster who guessed so often and so fearlessly. I love listening to people guess... I call it "getting my dose of crazy" because you have to live outside of the box in order not the be brainwashed.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:56 PM

What you say about guessing may be true unless you have an agenda in mind while guessing. That is my point, you have an agenda.

si shen

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