So, Geezer, rappy, in your ideal world, what should happen?
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me neither, as it turns out...
We have public/private system. Kind of complicated.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Geeze would rather wheeze.
Always nice to see you add nothing to the discussion.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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So - Signy said she'd be gone for a week but would be back to continue the discussion. And she was, and is. I'm curious if you have a reply to either her post or mine.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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GEEZER- speaking of being secure... or insecure... does your system address this?
Epidemic Of Hunger: New Report Says 49 Million Americans Are Dealing With Food Insecurity
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If the economy really is "getting better", then why are nearly 50 million Americans dealing with food insecurity? In 1854, Henry David Thoreau observed that "the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation". The same could be said of our time. In America today, most people are quietly scratching and clawing their way from month to month. Nine of the top ten occupations in the U.S. pay an average wage of less than $35,000 a year, but those that actually are working are better off than the millions upon millions of Americans that can't find jobs. The level of employment in this nation has remained fairly level since the end of the last recession, and median household income has gone down for five years in a row. Meanwhile, our bills just keep going up and the cost of food is starting to rise at a very frightening pace. Family budgets are being squeezed tighter and tighter, and more families are falling out of the middle class every single day. In fact, a new report by Feeding America (which operates the largest network of food banks in the country) says that 49 million Americans are "food insecure" at this point. Approximately 16 million of them are children. It is a silent epidemic of hunger that those living in the wealthy areas of the country don't hear much about. But it is very real.
The mainstream media and our politicians continue to insist that "things are getting better", and that may be true for Wall Street, but the man who was in charge of the new Feeding America report says that the level of suffering for the tens of millions of Americans that are food insecure has not changed...
“Nothing is getting better,” said Craig Gundersen, lead researcher of the report, “Map the Meal Gap 2014,” and an expert in food insecurity and food aid programs. “Let’s stop talking about the end of the Great Recession until we can make sure that we get food insecurity rates down to a more reasonable level,” he added. “We’re still in the throes of the Great Recession, from my perspective.”
In fact, a different report seems to indicate that hunger in America is actually getting worse...
Children's HealthWatch, a network of doctors and public health researchers who collect data on children up to 4 years old, says 29% of the households they track were at risk of hunger last year, compared with 25% the year before.
If someone tries to tell you that "the economy is getting better", that person is probably living in a wealthy neighborhood. Because those that live in poor neighborhoods would not describe what is going around them as an "improvement". In particular, many minority neighborhoods are really dealing with extremely high levels of food insecurity right now. The following comes from a recent NBC News article...
"Minorities are facing serious hunger issues. Ninety-three percent of counties with a majority African-American population fall within the top 10 percent of food-insecure counties, while 60 percent of majority American Indian counties fall in that category"
But if you don't live in one of those areas and you don't know anyone that is facing food insecurity, it can be difficult to grasp just how much people are actually suffering out there right now.For example, consider the story of a young mother named Tianna Gaines Turner...
Tianna Gaines Turner can't remember the last time she went to bed without worrying about how she was going to feed her three children. She can't remember the last time she woke up and wasn't worried about how she and her husband would make enough in their part-time jobs to buy groceries and pay utilities on their apartment in a working-class section of Philadelphia. And she can't remember the last time she felt confident she and her husband wouldn'NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I wonder if Geezer will return to the discussion.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe Geezer thought I forgot about this thread.
Nope.
Just out of town or busy.
Let's discuss your example of government enforcing clean air laws, because this is exactly the type of thing that a Minarchist Libertarian government would do. Such a government would be limited to basically enforcing contracts and making sure folks didn't hurt other folks or take their stuff.
So, if someone builds a Sriracha sauce factory upwind of your house, and the odor prevents you from enjoying your property, a Libertarian government, which supports the idea that you shouldn't be harmed by another, will step in. Depending on the limits on the government, it might be their responsibility or your responsibility to prove damage. A group of your neighbors might file a joint claim for damage. Many options.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Such a government would be limited to basically enforcing contracts and making sure folks didn't hurt other folks or take their stuff. So, if someone builds a Sriracha sauce factory upwind of your house, and the odor prevents you from enjoying your property, a Libertarian government, which supports the idea that you shouldn't be harmed by another, will step in.
The last time we had an extended conversation about propertarian libertarianism, I was under the impression that EVERYTHING is owned, or treated as property- yourself (your body, your skills and energy and freedom), your health, your air, your water, your house, your enjoyment of your property, your "stuff" (things), your privacy, your attention...
But the thing about "property" is that it can be bought and sold. So under propertarianism, everything is laid down in the marketplace, potentially for sale at the right price. The Contract was the only real enforceable law, and as long as it was obtained neither by force (economic cooercion, and the existence of superior and inferior bargaining positions didn't seem to matter into your schema) nor fraud, it was valid.
So, reliance on the idea of Market Forces would lead me to say that the houses downwind of the Siracha Factory have been discounted because of the odor, and that people who live there have made a market-based decision to trade "enjoyment of their backyard" and perhaps maybe even their "health" for a more affordable place to live, that as long as they knew that the factory was there to begin with, and they made an informed decision, signed on the dotted line, and paid money, it was all good. Under propertarianism.
The reason why I'm beating this point to death is because I'm now confused about how far that reasoning goes in your ideal world, and whether there are any "rights" which CAN'T be given up for sale, and which ones those might be.
AFA this particular case, it's my understanding that the factory owner has agreed to put in odor control equipment.
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